Open 541 - Too Many Heads Mafia (Game Over)

[Athenas Fury]

UNVOTE: Squirrel
VOTE: Athena

Scum lynches, ahoy.

And suddenly you very quickly work your way back into my heart.

and you've completely gone back to breaking mine.

[Mhork and Mindy]

Too emotionally drained from rambling elsewhere for this game. Later.......

~Mhork

[Athenas Fury]

Athenas Fury - Fish's first wall post was null, and Nacho thought Tammy's entrance post was "null and lame." <----Not a good sign.

I'm self-absorbed and it's late, so I'm going to address this first. It's complete bullshit. Nacho tried to pull this on me in Tales of the Abyss. I made a "not exciting" first post and he pushed me on it. After I got mad, because my first post was actually a joke centered around my character and role, he admitted to knowing that not all the time when I'm town do I make exciting first posts. And Nacho, more than anyone else, knows that my posts are very heavily mood dependent.

What's even more problematic is that there wasn't even a big push on me from him, just some lame attempts at getting me in the thread by calling my name.

[The Clubhouse]

Why is anyone voting this? In my experience scum don't really think this way but holy shit this post is so town. I can't believe RBD proceeded to keep attacking after this post.

What part of the wench's "crazy tin foil" stuff did ye think looked town? I've heard tales of ghost ships and heard paranoia fueled by drinking murky seawater that sounded more down to earth than the the paranoia ye be referring to.

If ye think it looks town because it looks like the deranged rantings of a lunatic, and ye think scum can't imitate the deranged rantings of a lunatic, then perhaps ye need to stop being a pirate and head back to Rome. I hear they welcome lily-livered sailors like yerself.

Look. If you can't see this one, I don't think I can help you. Fortunately, I don't really need to explain this read because everyone with sense/a town role PM agrees with me. Which is great because it's so self-evident I cannot even articulate it.

A) as has already been pointed out, Tammy is capitalized in the post in question, so you're wrong.

B) Re italicized: wtf? Are you reading the same post I am?

(AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH) If that be the case, then ye believe Bert is following the thread and "trolling" by pretending he be behind in reading the thread? And I assume ye think this be town because <insert answer that only makes sense to someone who has drunk a few too many mugs of ale>?

(BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH) The wench suggested Nacho and I be doing pirate stuff because we be cheeky scum. This clearly shows she not be reading the exchange because it took a couple pages for Nacho to even think about joining me crew. Me dashing good looks and charm won his heart in the end, but it be a long journey getting First Mate Ansuz to join me crew.

A) It's entirely possible. Alternatively you are remembering the order of things wrong. Or Bert was going on what he'd read in whatever hydra communication is happening over there. It's one of those.

B) I am beginning to think PFR is the cheeky scum. More on this as it develops.

Abso fucking lutely. Thinking one's scumspects are legitimately all correct is a sign of a massive ego and nothing else. I daresay mollie does have an ego, but that doesn't mean she has to be 100% on all her suspects. I know I never would be

Yahahahaha, so ye don't think reads are shaped by other reads and how they relate to one another? Ye don't think reads should take into account who makes sense with who as scum? Ye see something that makes no sense if X and Y are scum together, and this doesn't shape yer reads in any way?

I don't worry about this until I see flips. Usually.

This might be scum.

I see ye not be voting. I see ye think me scum. Why not vote me then?

I am figuring out where best to land my vote. I mentioned some weird things from you and I was talking about things between page 40 and here mostly, but I'm up to page 45 now and I don't have any idea what I was talking about earlier.

rancid's push on me felt the exact same way. it felt like it was something he planned on doing. I am back to thinking they had a bet going on.

Yahahahahaha. This is so downright stupid that if ye'd ever actually read a scum QT of mine, I'd be firing all me cannons at yer ship right now.

I

never

plan things as scum. Ever. It goes against everything I believe about playing scum.

VOTE: ansuz

If yer so convinced Tammy is scum, then why the Ansuz vote?

this is a scumclaim.

ansuz is more dangerous. w/o ansuz she will crumble.

AND FUCK YOUR MEASLY LITTLE PATHETIC PIRATE CREW I AM GONNA BUILD ME AN ARMY OF GORGEOUS AMAZONS AND THE BEAUTIFUL MEN THAT THEY LOVE

I don't see how this is a scumclaim. I wouldn't say I /never/ plan things as scum but it's pretty close and only slightly more common than me planning things as town. I pretty much shoot from the hip all the time so it's not hard for me to imagine someone else doing the same. I guess what you're saying is that he's trying to prevent you from using logic against him in the future, and you do give scum more credit in terms of their plannyness (ie the tinfoil post) than most, so perhaps that's what you're thinking here.

Like even ignoring the horrible read on me, she still has Tammy as scum even though she's suggesting I'm scum who tried to quickhammer. What the fuck is that? Do you think that's a genuine town thought process?

Mollie, does this really look like a scum player to you?

I don't see anything particularly town about this =/

Can we just flashwagon Squirrel? I want all the towncred when she flips scum.

*ahem*

no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.

also bert no longer has a body, he has moved inside my head. bert yesterday was saying in skype literally what I was typing it was weird.

So, Rancid is right and was able to notice that some things you were saying were not fully the truth, and he suspects you because of this, and in return you think he is scum for having good instincts and noticing something that certainly looked like a lie?

I don't get it.

Also, while we're at it, why do you think you read me well? Up until yesterday you thought I had claimed to be Sakura and were reading me with the idea I was a player who I wasn't, so how does that translate into you having an ability to read me? This feels fake.

Are you ready for some hilarious irony?

This post feels fake.

I dislike your requoting old posts and complaining about not being present. Scum Sven sort of did this same thing in Anything Goes mafia and you are appearing like you are engaged without really doing much.

I also disliked the way you phrased your question to me just now instead of simply asking for an unbiased answer by asking "Why do you dislike me?"

Your push on Bazinga feels like you are following Rancy's ship and letting his crew do all the navigating because your compass and spyglass are broken.

Honestly, I have read this Squirrel Girl post like 4 times. Trying to figure out why you think it looks fake. I read your post too. And it just doesn't add up to fakeness for me. I don't even see anything you could possibly think was fake. I think you just liked the sound of calling a post about fakeness fake.

My vote is staying for a good long time.

then you are being stubborn you are not working with anybody and this is what i have come to hate about mafia

anybody who has town read on nacho

let me ask you

do you want to trust the judgment of some1 who has nailed nacho when he was scum

nearly every single time

and only mislynched him once in over 60 games or do you want to listen to your own judgment when I bet you have been deluded by nacho.

COME TO ME MY CHILDREN I WILL SET YOU FREE

Wow, this really does sound pretty great.

(Someone hurry up and accuse our hydra dissonance wrt Nacho of being a scumteam tell).

This is the first of many posts in which you look like the cheekiest scumfuck that ever cheeked a scumfuck. And in small doses that could be cute but you just. keep. fucking. doing it. different heads too. like every other post you make from here to present iirc, is a sarcastic oh here's what you think i'm doing if i'm scum written from a scum viewpoint

it might be too much

On to page 46.

~

Bulba

Quayle

(Yes I know I've made that joke before, shut up)

[The Clubhouse]

Where the hell are the plankwalkers anyhow. They should get in here and claim something. Actually can we just lynch them without a claim?

Cheeky

If you vote for Ansuz, I promise not to trollhammer them.

Cheeky

Then again, I suppose Rancid did sketch me out a couple times. I guess I'll figure it out later but consider me firmly pro-mollie for now.

~Quayle

CLUB

WE GOT THIS.

CAUGHT SCUM IS CAUGHT SCUM

DON'T DITHER FOR A SECOND OR YOU WILL GET CAUGHT UP IN A WHIRLPOOL OF DECPTION WOVEN BY THE REMAINING SCUMTEAM.

DO YOU HEAR ME

SCUM ARE ANSUZ PFR AND RANCID

RANCID IS MOST DEFINITELY SCUM

DON'T

DITHER

IT GIVES SCUM A CHANCE TO WIGGLE OUT OF THIS

BUT MOLLIE

DITHER IS MY MIDDLE NAME

DANIEL DITHER QUAYLE

However, you will probably at least get me to vote either PFR or Ansuz today (when I get to page 50 I think I will still want to lynch PFR given my initial cursory skim thing)

(Also, it is literally impossible to convince me of a 3 man scumteam without me seeing any of them flip. Literally impossible. If I ever say "I feel strongly that the scumteam is X Y and Z none of whom have flipped" lynch me on sight)

mala mara

listen to me. I think I know what is going on because I have been where both of you are at with both of you.

mara, you have a tendency to do something that I do which is sort your nearest and dearest first and I am not sure if you realise this it nearly always tends to be the womynz friendz. mala is town. I can nearly promise you that.

mala, I think what is going on with you is that you don't understand how your nearest and dearest don't see how you are obvtown so you tend to suspect them. mara is town I am bettin on it.

I have where both of you are I think that is why it easier for me to see what is going on. I think we are all town.

lets take down the pirates THEY ARE NOT ON OUR TEAM.

CAN I GET AN AMEN

Get. Out. Of. My. Head.

but, I don't agree with you RE Mala. I would be lying if I said she didn't act like this when you pushed our slot, but the main difference is that even when you were pushing us, she still thought you were town. it's a different reaction to my push on her, here.

I just don't know how a post can start with as strong an agreement as this one does and then jump straight into arguing.

Go ahead and spill the beans about what gave me away while you are at it.

Cheeky

ITs so frustrating when Mollie nails me, I dont get how she does it. If she would only explain I might actually beat her as scum.

Cheeky

Townreading Generically Purple is probably not solid play right now. I can try and back that up later since I know you are going to accuse me of blowing smoke around the thread and busting up the Girl Power alliance.

I might actually agree with this? I guess I am feeling pretty null about that slot right now, I mostly don't like them because their read on S&A bothers me but I'm realizing there are interpersonal relationships there I don't understand that are probably interfering.

[The Clubhouse]

I have great townreads on: Bazinga, M&M, and Siam and find other people townie as well.
You really don't look town at all.

I will never get all these M&M townreads or were they all from you? They seem like magic or something.

Sure. Since when does the amount of posts/pages dictate the amount of actual content is in this game? Over half of it is fluff

ansuz, bazinga, Squirrel, and athena are town

Trolls

and The cats are probably scum, with the third being somewhere in Clubhouse, Rancid, and that GIF Hydra

I was going to end my posting spree by snarkily asking Trolls why they are scum (omigosh guys I was planning something as town! it does happen!), but this will suffice. Cabd is not towning, and is not incredibly excited about a playerlist he should be drooling over. I think he's scum.

I've never played with Generic before and Im going to go ahead bust out my good old "meta is shit" in response to this. Wow that takes me back.

I'm not looking for anything in particular. They may not be scum, but I am not remotely confident about them being town right now.
I disliked Generic's response to my vote on him.
Their argument with Siam feels a bit like they are not actually trying to read Siam, but just throw meta around the thread.

SCUUUUUUUUUM POSTINNGGGGGG

I'm in your game, misleading your townies!

Im out of control!

wow such cheeky
so brave

In hindsight, it was probably a dumb idea to have all of us talk in pirate speak.

much cheek
doge impress
wow

~Quayle

[Athenas Fury]

eh just got back to monday

VOTE: ansuz

you started off well you really did. you were even having me fooled after what you pulled on, but i can't buy it i just can't. And for trolls to back you up by misrepresenting my meta and you agreeing wholeheartedly is heartbreaking. i mean maybe, maybe cabd, because even thought he thinks he's mr. meta extraoridinaire he'd claim things about me but damn does he have lapses and misrepresent things like a motherfucker, but you backing that up? No. No. I just don't buy ever that when you saw that I was busy, that I said I wouldn't be around for a couple days and haven't read the thread, you pulled what you did on Monday, I just don't think you did that as town. It makes way more sense to me that you knew I wouldn't be around and thought it would be funny to lol speedlynch me when I couldn't do anything about it.

[The Clubhouse]

@ Mollie

Could you explain a bit more how you know its Scum Nacho and not Town Nacho? I am not as sold on that as my other half, but will go on with it because I trust her. As for the whole thing with Mara, I can see why Mala thinks shes scum, I have seen Mara act like this both as scum and town however against me. The fact she is so bound and determined to read us as scum bothers me a lil though. She needs to get those confirmation glasses off and read us right iffen she is town.

~Am

This reaction basically rules.

hi confscum guyett!

If your town I'm super disappointed in you. You should know we're town yet you persist with tgis. If it continues just never sign up in a gam with me or ap or etl ever again ;_;




Unless youre scum of course then lol

"You should know we're town". Why? What have you done that is so town? I don't think you have done anything that merits this arrogance.

@ Mollie

Could you explain a bit more how you know its Scum Nacho and not Town Nacho? I am not as sold on that as my other half, but will go on with it because I trust her. As for the whole thing with Mara, I can see why Mala thinks shes scum, I have seen Mara act like this both as scum and town however against me. The fact she is so bound and determined to read us as scum bothers me a lil though. She needs to get those confirmation glasses off and read us right iffen she is town.

~Am

ansuz is scum my luv. no1 wants it to be true but it is. I explained it as best as I could.

pfr and rancid are their partners

plus they are pirates

we

are amazons

I'm not calling your playstyle shit here.... but I really am tbh... unapologetically

I'VE TRIED TO TALK TO YOU BUT YOU JUST WON'T LISTEN!!!
I'M GENUINELY PISSED OFF AS I REALLY VALUE THIS GAME AND YOU KEEP SHUTTING ME OUT WITH THIS AMAZON VS PIRATE NONSENSE ;_;

This change in tone is really sudden and does not go with the rest of your posts.

oh i forgot, bazinga is most likely town for scum hunting during the confirmation stage.

Mollie is virtually trust tell level of town atm.

If you believe in her this firmly, why are you such total shit at getting your hydra partners to come around?

The clubhouse might be town for feeling like hard boiled and not like asoiaf.

<3

I wish you felt more like town Tammy but I'll give you time. And it's not like I have nearly as much experience with you as a lot of these bros.

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Quayle's read list (basically no synthesis whatsoever with other heads):

(each tier IS in order)

Town: bazinga; S&A

Kinda Town: Squirrel Girl; Yggdra (okay a little synthesis, I'm basically running with Stephen's read here); Athena/RBD (I guess...)

Hard to Read: Purple; Ansuz

Scummy: 165 Trolls; PFR

[Insufficient Data: M&M; SC]

VOTE: PFR

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

List of people I very much want to consult other heads on: Athena, RBD, Purple, Ansuz. This is your cue, other heads!

~Quayle

[Athenas Fury]

I wish you felt more like town Tammy but I'll give you time. And it's not like I have nearly as much experience with you as a lot of these bros.

~Quayle

I feel like Hard Boiled and Faraday's uptick should give a pretty good indication of town me day one. if you're expecting me to be the stronger day three player, it's not likely to happen today. But, right now, I feel like I'm in a position I haven't experienced since last summer's mafia.maiden where I was battling suspicion from early day one and continued until endgame.

[The Clubhouse]

I mean, I thought they should too. But those both were games where you obvtowned pretty hard (though it took me a while to come around in hardboiled; in asoiaf the only reason you lived so long was because the first few nights got us super paranoid about shooting high priority targets), and I /hope/ even you can see you're not obvtowning here? Even though you also don't really feel like scum.

~Quayle

[bazinga]

~Quayle

That name sounds like a fish.

I feel like Hard Boiled and Faraday's uptick should give a pretty good indication of town me day one. if you're expecting me to be the stronger day three player, it's not likely to happen today

Poor thing, being burdened by the beast of burden (of proficiency). <3333

[The Clubhouse]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Quayle

(Dammit, apparently my name is "Danforth Dither Quayle", not "Daniel Dither Quayle")

Also no, it sounds like a bird.

~Quayle

[Athenas Fury]

Tammy I don't see any town-role-PM celebration that would be all over the place in a scary playerlist like this. Why, given you've told me time and time again you can't do it as scum but it's always there as town?

Nope. I've said I don't always do it as town, but it's never there as scum.

Cite me five towngames where you haven't mentioned or expressed happiness about getting a town role PM and I won't vote you.

You're "every breath you take" you find them. I could cite them because I know for a fact they exist considering that my opening posts are both mood and alignment dependent. This player list isn't "scary", and that isn't my problem with hating scum anyway. Hating scum isn't fearing drawing scum, but as with everyone it's always way too superficial.

But sure, Tammy's scum because she said she didn't have time to play for a couple of days, yep yep.

[Athenas Fury]

I feel like Hard Boiled and Faraday's uptick should give a pretty good indication of town me day one. if you're expecting me to be the stronger day three player, it's not likely to happen today

Poor thing, being burdened by the beast of burden (of proficiency). <3333

With the amount of scum lynches I tend to derail on day one, noone burdens me with proficiency early in the game

[Athenas Fury]

UNVOTE:

nacho kinda sounds like he actually thought i was scum.

[Athenas Fury]

VOTE: ansuz

but gods that speedlyncbing thing felt so fake.

[bazinga]

TAMMY

WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT NACHO RANCID AND AP DECIDED TO SPEAK IN PIRATE SPEAK

DO YOU THINK THEY HAD A SEEKRIT PM CAMPAIGN PREGAME AND LEFT US OUT?

ONLY IF IT HAPPENED IN A SCUM QT

LOOK AT ALL OF THEIR REACTIONS WHEN I CALLED THEM ON THEIR SHIT

GUYZ PLZ DON'T RUIN THIS FOR ME

[bazinga]

I believe what Mollie says about how the pirate speak seemed premeditated and likely to come from scum in QT. It was executed to flawlessly and in sync.

Bert

[bazinga]

Quayle's read list (basically no synthesis whatsoever with other heads):

(each tier IS in order)

Town: bazinga; S&A

Kinda Town: Squirrel Girl; Yggdra (okay a little synthesis, I'm basically running with Stephen's read here); Athena/RBD (I guess...)

Hard to Read: Purple; Ansuz

Scummy: 165 Trolls; PFR

[Insufficient Data: M&M; SC]

WHY ARE YOU TRUSTING YOUR OWN JUDGMENT IN READING NACHO INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO TAMMY AND I WHO KNOW HIM BEST

I HAVE PLAYED OVER 60 GAMES WITH HIM

MISREAD HIM ONCE. IN 60 GAMES

NAILED HIM EVERY TIME WHEN HE WAS SCUM EXCEPT ONCE IN MARATHONS

SAY YOU BELIEVE

JOIN THE AMAZON ARMY

COS THERE WILL BE NO COMING BACK FOR ME IF PEOPLE RUIN THIS

1 TOWN WIN

THAT IS ALL I ASK




VOTE: PFR

~Quayle

[bazinga]

QUOTE TAG FAIL

JOIN THE AMAZON ARMY

VOTE ANSUZ

[The Clubhouse]

I believe what Mollie says about how the pirate speak seemed premeditated and likely to come from scum in QT. It was executed to flawlessly and in sync.

Bert

Regardless of anyone's alignment I firmly believe this is incorrect.

QUOTE TAG FAIL

JOIN THE AMAZON ARMY

VOTE ANSUZ

On the one hand, I should trust my own reads on principle.

On the other hand, my reads are always shit, and I don't especially feel like Nacho is super town, and you are town and a better scumhunter than me.

Fine, let me just make sure I'm not hammer.

~Quayle

[bazinga]

Your reads aren't always shit. You picked right in Hard Boiled 3p LYLO, for example. Why don't you like being the hammer?

[Athenas Fury]

Post 725 suggests a not tollhouse/sam team though calling out penguin on not posting yet is weird when i'm pretty sure she's pretty known for not being a high poster. regardless, i know cabd is pretty arrogant about his scum game, but that still seems like something he wouldn't just volunteer about a partner. though i'm not completely confident about this after seeing pippidem, but still that's my first thought.

weird call out on penguin though.

pedit: idk mollie, it's also just as likely someone thought to talk pirate and others decided to join in?