Open 541 - Too Many Heads Mafia (Game Over)

[bazinga]

PFR who do you want lynched today?

[Generically Purple]

Mala was a big one, actually and clubhouse kinda was one to.

other than that, I don't actually have to many scum-reads. just town, not so town, and weird lurky people who might be scum (like trolls). I might actually be ready to let go of my mala read for today because I can see some town-stuff coming from her, but this isn't the first time she's tricked me, this isn't the first time I've tagged her and she's somehow, magically got me to retract that read. I'm also going to admit that I'm probably a little bit salty from the Sixty game because she ws the one I had read as town in that game, and she was the one I had made the mason-connection to so I feel like she had a bigger hand in making me read them as town than cabd did. at least visibly

[Generically Purple]

I also feel like now, is a good time to stop trolling and be a responsible adult

I'll do so, after I eat!

[bazinga]

You're posting fine.

I can relate with having scummy feelings about Mala and Clubhouse.

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

PFR who do you want lynched today?

UNVOTE: Trolls
VOTE: PFR

Its like I havent been posting at all this game.

[bazinga]

To be fair, your earlier vote was on Athena, and then you voted Trolls who replaced out. Do you still think either or both are scum?

Don't get frustrated just cos someone needs someone to be patient so he can get into this game <3

[bazinga]

mastin2 has offered to replace any heads that decide to stop playing

Well....

looks like we will be seeing Professor Mafia sooner than we expected...

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

K.
Strong town reads: Bazinga, Mhork, SiAm
Moderate Townreads: Rancid, StuffedCrust
Weak Townreads: Yggdra, Paranoia Fueled Rampage
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I need to ISO these people: clubhouse, athena, Generic
Scummy?: Ansuz, 165 Trolls, Squirrel

[bazinga]

Thanks...that was AP, or a cumulative/consensus of you three?

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

Mine. Dunno where we stand other than EtL thinks Nacho is town and also thinks Trolls are scummy.

[Generically Purple]

I thought that was a troll-read list, Pigey

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

I thought it aligned pretty clearly with things Ive been saying.

[bazinga]

Pigey, I know why you sound so familiar now. You were in one of those old Popcorn games. <3

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

I replaced into a Jal popcorn game, I dont think anyone here was in it.

[Generically Purple]

bazinga (pirate mollie and Bert)
Squirrel Girl
Athenas Fury (Tammy and Formerfish)

Ansuz (Nachomamma8 and Desperado)

Paranoia Fueled Rampage (AngryPidgeon and EspeciallyTheLies and Guyett)
Yggdra Union (Pieguyn - thenewearth - DrCirno)

Stuffed Crust (Mac and Varsoon)
Mhork and Mindy (penguin_alien and Lord Mhork)

Rancid Broderick Drake (Natirasha and zMuffinMan)

165 Trolls (BROseidon and Cabd)

The Clubhouse (Cephrir + 2 mystery friends)
Si and Am (Malakittens and RachMarie)

Green is town, yellow and orange is null, and red is scum. the darker it is the stronger. this is kinda where I stand, right now off all the interactions I've had while I was here, and interacting. this might change pending read-through

Pedit: well... you have yourself as a weaker town-read so... it's kinda hard to take it seriously

[bazinga]

I saw it but wasn't in it.

Can't remember if Rach, Mala or Mara were in it.

[Generically Purple]

I wasn't in that one, Bert.

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

Rach was in it actually at the end.

Would somebody please explain why SG is megatown? Also Im not ready to put Tammy in the townpile at all. Even with her recent posting.

[bazinga]

Re: Tammy. I'm not good at reading her. But, she seems pretty emotional this game, moreso than in the one I was in with her as scum. But, like she said, her posting tone correlates with her mood sometimes, so it's probably not necessarily alignment indicative.

Something about this post below bothers me for some reason though, but I can't figure out why:

Spoiler:

omg mollie's Post 358 is something I can empathize with so much but in inverse, if that makes sense. I'm no good at day one; I find day one's a lot of noise and more games than not I feel like shit about my reads because I feel like I put the puzzle together better when there are pieces flipped. This means that some games I take a back seat role and look at how the arguments play out to see what makes sense, but in some games I feel like it makes sense right away. And my game is really largely dependent on my mood first.

I was telling empire not too long ago that I wanted to change my meta because I felt like what people expected from me was actually causing a distraction in games because people aren't actually reading me based on what I say in games but in really superficial things that are partially alignment aligned but are also mood aligned. So for instance, no I don't always joke around and be exciting at the start of the game. If I do, I'm almost definitely town, but if I don't, I might just not be in the mood. I'm getting a bit tired of people pushing me for reactions instead of looking at what I'm saying, which I think is way more relevant than anything ever. I mean I get that it might be amusing for people to just try to make me mad, but I don't think that makes an enjoyable or productive game, so I've pledged to do my best to not react to unwarranted suspicion until people start reading what I'm actually saying, especially when they aren't people who have bothered to understand me enough to see where I'm coming from.

I realize this might get me a few mislynches in the near future, but I'm considering it an experiment and hope it will help.

/complete weird tangent

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

I wish I had a townread on Generic. Maybe if I try tomorrow I can find one.

Clubhouse might be scum. For serious.

Maybe it bothers you because she is reacting to NAcho's unwarranted suspicion on her and simultaneously saying that she is trying NOT to do that anymore?

[Generically Purple]

bazinga (pirate mollie and Bert)

You, are obviously town, like... there is no comparison. I am well aware that you don't like scum, mollie and while you are able to play a pristine scum-game, it wears you out incredibly quick, and incredibly fast. the amount of energy, and power you have behind you in this game is unrivaled. You're doing that thing where, you just push, and push, and push someone to the point that, they crack and to the point of, it isn't even making sense anymore. I havn't seen scum-mollie be able to do such a thing yet, and if she can then... I might end up going super paranoid in future games, but right now? it's town as fuck and nothing can stop that from happening. ( I don't actually believe that you believe in everything you say, but are only saying it so that you can garner reactions that you can use, later on though.)

Squirrel Girl

Poor girl can't keep up but she's trying, and I'm going to give her credit for that. She is trying to make her own mark on this game, which is a hard thing to do because lolhydragame and she is falling behind. No fucks given, dove straight into scum-hunting and trying to figure people out asap, which unfortunately isn't a very effective maneuver to do early on, but it's what's making her town. She doesn't like being invisible, she doesn't like being ignored and her responses are indicative of that. As scum, she can very easily let herself get drowned out by the noise, but she doesn't. she fights, (also, her reaction to being an outed alt reminds me of when I was pinksmoke)

Athenas Fury (Tammy and Formerfish)

It's taken me a while to get around this read, but her rage, her being upset on being mislynched is incredibly legit. I'm not going to pretend to know tammy, I have a very high chance of being paranoid of her because of her recent games with me but I will be lying if I say her emotion that are in her scum-games and her level of emotion here are on the same level, they aren't. There is a difference between AtE and actual emotion and there is a reason I believe AtE tends to be town because of people apply it. Everyone confuses appeal to emotion and actual emotion. they aren't the same thing, here tammy is exhibiting real emotion. real rage, and it's incredibly stupid of her to admit that she nearly cried IRL, especially if she was scum. Crying over mafia isn't impossible and I've done it so I don't really see why it's such an impossible thing.

Ansuz (Nachomamma8 and Desperado)

would be stronger but... Nacho. I wasn't at all fond with his early play, I can see why mollie think that it was scummy and why she would hold onto that even though Nacho himself moved on past that. I, personally liked desperado's read list, it feels like it has a little bit of nacho-influence especially in his read on me, which to me indicates that they were talking about their reads prior. alot of the mis-interpretation between the posts also point in that direction (including nacho thinking desp thought Fish was town) and I especially liked his reaction to me question his ETL read when he was going to push her for trying to paint mollie as scummy. (he is aware that I know more about mollie than she does, so if I had agreed with mollie being to try hard early on, and that being a scum-read it would have forced him to do a double take, and it would have forced to rethink on what he expects of people.) Contrary to what Tammy believes, I think that him pushing her is extremely town-fueled. It reminds me of his pushes on me, and it reminds me that he is incredibly prone to conf. bias. fury. I don't actually think I have seen nacho lead lynches like this as scum, either so that is kinda gives him more town points. His reaction to me not liking tammy scum anymore post-lynch was his way of telling me that I should stop my paranoia before it starts becoming a hinderance to my play because it very well can be.

Paranoia Fueled Rampage (AngryPidgeon and EspeciallyTheLies and Guyett)

They feel kinda town, the ETL posts early on were stuff I can agree with, Pigey was kinda being... pigey and his most recent postings are ones that I like. I can't really see where they are, though and I feel like I am misinterpreting most of their stuff. We also aren't on common grounds and, if we are both town I feel like we should be. one of my weaker town-reads, but still one regardless

Yggdra Union (Pieguyn - thenewearth - DrCirno)

are they... in this game? I remember them early on, and their indignance to people's distaste to their font choices feel like town-indignancy. all their posts are pretty much nothing but fluff, and I expect them to have a bigger presence in this game, especially GIF but then, I feel like they would all be trying harder as scum... especially GIF.

Stuffed Crust (Mac and Varsoon)

Uh... do they exist? them not being here as much as I would expect them to, is not very good. I don't even know what their contributions are unless I Iso them and even then I'm not sure if they are contributions

Mhork and Mindy (penguin_alien and Lord Mhork)

(read Stuffed Crusts)

Rancid Broderick Drake (Natirasha and zMuffinMan)

Super freaking noisy, it bothers me and I have a hard time finding any content iin all that noise. it's like... noise for the sake of noise, but Nat.

165 Trolls (BROseidon and Cabd)

WAI U GAISE REPLACEOUT WAI. I hate that they have been compromised, but I don't think they've done anything prior and that really worries me. I'm unsure if this is Cabd being lazy after trolling the fuck out of us and I feel like Bro would be happier early on, but I'm missing that. we will see what mastins does with this slot

The Clubhouse (Cephrir + 2 mystery friends)

Uh... aside from a few posts that I might agree with (and that alone scares me) I'm crazy underwhelmed by their posting. Not a good thing, but... Ceph

Si and Am (Malakittens and RachMarie)

(already explained, I don't feel like doing it again)

[Generically Purple]

where did everone go?

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

I tried to work with this slot until I realised they were scum

Are you actually taking the piss here...

We've been trying to reach out to you all game but you just keep shutting us away

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

PFR who do you want lynched today?

Who do you want lynched today?

[bazinga]

where did everone go?

they were chased out of the game by your dismal stupidity.

oh and I accept your apology.

TOWN MARA IS A SHINY THING AND YOU WILL THINK SHE IS SCUM COS HER PLAY WILL BE THAT BAD. IGNORE IT THIS IS TOWN DUMB STUBBORN MARA.

MALA PLZ TRUST MY READ ON THIS.

THE PIRATES WE ARE LYNCHING THE PIRATES. <-------- DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THIS