Micro 285 - Time: The Distortion (Town Win)

[catboi]

In this setup a snap hammer as scum is probably viable, but I honestly wasn't even thinking of the possibility when i voted there, and I doubt many people would be. Not really a great thing to draw a conclusion from.

[DOMO]

Oh yeah I remember that post. It's a bit vague though, doesn't go into detail so I forgot about it.

I was looking at it from a different perspective... scum need two mislynches to win, so I considered that scum will suicide hammer if they think town gets lynched on final day. It'll get to 2-1 on final day, not 3-1, assuming no doc saves. But you're right... that's not actually that bad, especially since that's worst case scenario. Throw in the reasonable chance of PRs blocking a kill or copping the last scum, and I think I'm wrong to consider it a viable tactic.

In this setup a snap hammer as scum is probably viable, but I honestly wasn't even thinking of the possibility when i voted there, and I doubt many people would be. Not really a great thing to draw a conclusion from.

There's not much else to draw conclusions from, this game is slow. The question I'm asking myself now is, would you discredit my townread on you if you're scum? I think you could if my townread is sufficiently weak that you know it's not gonna influence anyone, but you admit to being a new player and I wonder if a noob would be that smart. This post of yours seems pretty damn sincere, so I'm still happy you're town.

[Adaptive Heap]

trust-tell-Beli

Melenkurion abatha,

Shiva, that is

cold

.

I'm loving the fact you can't tell which head is posting, though.

Spoiler: An easy guide

Me this game (with me as Galuf, and Ffery played by Mr. Z)






Hopefully that last bit isn't prophetic.

Ah the fresh breeze of Papa Beli's "fuck you kindly" (TM) brand humour.
I'm probably cheapening it by drive-by posting.. sorreh
I hope the reference was taken from Covenant, and not *whatever the hell Torchwood is*

And for some reason I though the fourteenth instalment of a game would have better graphics. Hm.

In this setup a snap hammer as scum is probably viable, but I honestly wasn't even thinking of the possibility when i voted there, and I doubt many people would be. Not really a great thing to draw a conclusion from.

In any setup a snap-hammer is viable - depending on the circumstances. But a person / player / hydra taking a couple of votes on-board, in a setup this small - and where that wagonee is absolutely not giving a crap and scumhunting elsewhere at the time - is *not* a viable snaphammer for scum. imho

UNVOTE:

VOTE: DOMO

Not a very good post

Ok this vote is actually quite significant, I didn't realise how much so at the time. Catboi took AH off L-1 here, meaning if AH is town scum couldn't snaphammer, which seems like a viable tactic in a micro. The other vote on AH other than mine was MC, so catboi I think can only be scum with AH or MC (or me I guess), otherwise he probably leaves his AH vote up for at least some time to see if his buddy hammers. Seeing as it looks like there's at least one between lucky and bert, I'm townreading catboi pretty hard based on this vote.

I'm down to lucky bert and MC, with MC easily the most town of the three.

AH scumfuck and catboi all looking good.

Can you give a brief rehash of why our slot and Scumfuck's slot are town please?
I can see you've given some reason for changing your read on catboi more recently, but your stance-switching has been pinging me pretty hard and I feel like you're towning players too readily and confidently for the wrong reasons.

[Adaptive Heap]

^eh.. Above was me.

Also @catboi because re-reading the comment I made seems a bit unclear - the two wagons were us and Scumfuck, and although I don't think scum would have gotten away with a quickhammer on either slot for the reason stated above, I was also lurking around at the time ready to unvote immediately should Scumfuck have been the slot that got to L-1 instead. It was just way too early for that, for my liking. So I get the unvote on an sympathetic level at least.

(expired on 2014-01-21 20:00:00)

-t

[Lucky2u]

are you kidding?? how was that AtE scummy at all??

It wasn't AtE, and it's scummy because town's under greater pressure than on a normal D1. A D1 mislynch, however statistically likely, puts us in lylo

tomorrow

. That's worrying me, and it should be worrying

anyone

who's town. Who's showing no worry? Lucky is.

Scum can derp their way to a win in a 7p, 2 scum game. Town can't.

I'm not worried and I'm town, but I'll need to be lynched to show how your very wrong in this train of thought.

[DOMO]

Can you give a brief rehash of why our slot and Scumfuck's slot are town please?
I can see you've given some reason for changing your read on catboi more recently, but your stance-switching has been pinging me pretty hard and I feel like you're towning players too readily and confidently for the wrong reasons.

Well you're town because you have yet to ping even once, nothing I have seen from you yet has concerned me. You're pressing people and appear to be actively scumhunting, your paranoia seems natural.

Scumfuck is a little more complicated. I was "townreading" scumfuck earlier as a reaction test, the "I see nothing of concern" comment in particular. I wanted to see if ffery was happy to be townread from me. She seems indifferent. I feel like ffery's interaction with me has been a little less than I expected, I would have expected her to press me in an effort to sort me, and I was beginning to become concerned about scumfuck. However, that hydra dump from beli, along with lucky and bert's votes, gave me renewed confidence that they are town.

I'll reassess all my townreads tomorrow, assuming I'm not lynched/killed. And at the risk of annoying people with self meta, me towning people (or scumreading) on thin grounds should not surprise you.

You say I'm towning people for the wrong reasons. Well, I don't think you ever explained your early townread on catboi other than to say his posting was more town than mine, and you'll explain later. Did you explain? Because I don't recall you doing so. You're pointing the finger at me for doing something you did.

catboi I've got a gut-townread on.

All he had done at this stage is post first. How are you towning people any less easily than I am?

Also, lol at lurky/opportunistic on first day of game opening, especially when catboi was among the first giving attempts at content and did so entirely separate of others.

Posting once is an attempt at giving content?

I take it back, I do have reason to be concerned about you. It's not that you're towning people easily, it's that you're then suggesting when someone else does it that it's scummy. Which seems highly opportunistic.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Scumfuck is a little more complicated. I was "townreading" scumfuck earlier as a reaction test, the "I see nothing of concern" comment in particular. I wanted to see if ffery was happy to be townread from me. She seems indifferent. I feel like ffery's interaction with me has been a little less than I expected, I would have expected her to press me in an effort to sort me, and I was beginning to become concerned about scumfuck. However, that hydra dump from beli, along with lucky and bert's votes, gave me renewed confidence that they are town.

Heh.

I told Beli that I didn't like you townreading me so easily and that if we got through day 1 without some paranoia from you I'd be pretty nervous. But, I've found most of your play to be an expectable mix.

I decided to leave you alone for a couple reasons - to see if paranoia about me came to the fore, and to see interactions between you and other players without me adding perturbations.

I probably let the non-reaction go on too long, though. But, the game is moving pretty slowly overall and you've been one of the more active players.

[Lucky2u]

I'll reassess all my townreads tomorrow, assuming I'm not lynched/killed.

Do you think you are top contender for being night killed?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

We're liking catboi for town, too btw.

[Adaptive Heap]

Yeah I'm still awaiting mastin's explanation on why you're scum aside from gut. Although I had a very similar gut-scum reaction, I think it was to your delayed entry to the thread. And then the entry. And then several churning changes of heart. The only experience I've had with you has been in Oz where you were pretty interrogative and got a strut on at some point.

At the moment I just see you going - "eh, this person is probs town, that person is probs scum, no wait, the person who I thought was scum before is now town because *insert single post reason* etc.

There's a difference between gut-read or no reason, or the wrong (explicitly mentioned) reasons, too. I just think your reasons have seemed slipshod, not well thought-through, as if you're making them to echo majority sentiment.

The question ^above which you responded to was me, what you quoted after that was mastin ftr. I've been reasonably diligent in signing my posts, I think I dropped it during my convo with ffery for a bit.

Seriously you have Messiah as town? Why is that?

Anyway apologies if I seem crotchety, I've just knocked off after what's been effectively a 23 hour 'fix-the-fucking-production-servers' spree. On the upside it's Friday night and I fixed 'em :proud:

-t

ed: ^@DOMO

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I'll reassess all my townreads tomorrow, assuming I'm not lynched/killed.

Do you think you are top contender for being night killed?

Beli posted that. But, N1 kill is the most frequent way I exit games. There's a lot that goes into scum teams' night kill choices, including who's 2nd or 3rd on the list a doctor is likely to protect, rather than 1st. When that means someone better than me at mafia (and is town!) doesn't eat a kill, I'm pretty happy to draw the N1 kill.

[Adaptive Heap]

Didn't DOMO post that? Or am I confubsed?

-t

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Huh. You're right. It's a quotefail. I assumed it was Beli because it wasn't me.

[Adaptive Heap]

I think I'd like to know if lucky is generally this succinct as town or not.

You've still got two votes on you right? I find it baffling that both come with helpful serves of no reason.

btw lucky I thoroughly enjoy your username :D

-t

[Messiah Complex]

Why aren't we town? I know that I (FF) have had a slow start, but that isn't abnormal for me. This is the first time I have played a game this small and with as slow as it is moving I am having a harder time figuring people out. I am feeling like AH, SF and CB are town. Scum is in {Lucky, Domo, Bert}. I just don't know how we are going to get over the hump of being able to agree on someone to lynch. I feel like decent cases have been made against a few people, and we just need to pick one to wagon up and see what happens. I am not suggesting doing this to just anyone, so those who would accuse me of being lynch happy can get to steppin, but I do think that we should figure out who is most likely to be scum and push them to see what we get.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Yep still 2 votes. Neither of us are terribly concerned about them from a gettin' lynched standpoint. It's more about what the fuck is Bert thinking? And Lucky's typical play is apparently so obfuscatory and reason-free that I can't even drum up a what the fuck for what he's doing here.

If they're both being worthless town, though, town has a fair sized problem. I'm looking forward to Mastin's take.

[Adaptive Heap]

Yeah sorry I'm going to call this the "with as slow as it is moving" scumtell.

Conflictingly enough, I agree we need to start making some movements. Perhaps you'll feel comfortable enough to vote your scumreads now then Messiah?

VOTE: Messiah Complex

(I'll ping the holy qt. All I've got recently is haven't seen ffery-scum and only seen Bert in maelstrom situations.)

Spoiler: Short Youtube Spoiler

-t

[Messiah Complex]

I don't care how far we got pushed in RVS. If there was a five-post speedlynch then if town doesn't insta-lynch the hammerer day 2 then town in this game has some problems.

You've voted twice and both have been second votes on top of an existing vote, that's accurate, right?

There was a sense of humour in your RVS vote which I liked, a sense of 'dark impending things' in your vote on DOMO, and I don't quite grok (hi Beli) this most recent post which *still* seems to be promoting a lynch as soon as possible.

I'll wait out the day asking every question I feel is relevant to get reads, communicate my preferences for lynch and the reasons, and ask for feedback. I'll be around 24 hours before deadline. At least for a window of a few hours.

Why do you want a lynch to happen right now?
If you're town, do you have any inclination to reason on this?
I mean, running someone up is not a thing in this game.

Yeah sorry I'm going to call this the "with as slow as it is moving" scumtell.

Conflictingly enough, I agree we need to start making some movements. Perhaps you'll feel comfortable enough to vote your scumreads now then Messiah?

VOTE: Messiah Complex

(I'll ping the holy qt. All I've got recently is haven't seen ffery-scum and only seen Bert in maelstrom situations.)

Spoiler: Short Youtube Spoiler

-t

You call us out for being overeager and bloodthirsty, then you call us out for being conservative. Are you just trying to bait us into voting for Lucky right now to put him at l-1?

[Messiah Complex]

Conflictingly enough, I agree we need to start making some movements. Perhaps you'll feel comfortable enough to vote your scumreads now then Messiah?

I can't get over how disingenuous this is.

- Des

[Messiah Complex]

-Messiah - why the unvote? It doesn't seem to fit with your stated position.

If we were going to vote anyone it'd be Lucky. L-2 and L-1 are different beasts.

- Des

With that said, I'm totally comfortable lynching Lucky now. I just don't think the rest of the town is.

- Des

Especially when these are both posts that exist.

- Des

[Adaptive Heap]

You call us out for being overeager and bloodthirsty, then you call us out for being conservative. Are you just trying to bait us into voting for Lucky right now to put him at l-1?

If nothing else happens I might ultimately do that, but I am scumreading you guys because of the way you dropped your vote.

First you disagreed that wagonning as a strategy wasn't the best play. You say you want wagons to analyze.

We want a wagon and some legitimate reactions to analyze. Sitting around with our thumbs up our ass with no wagon at L-2 sounds dead fucking boring to us.
Of course
We disagree

Then in the very same post you unvote.

I think a couple of things are in play then. One is that this is a brand new hydra, and we're figuring out how we're going to work together.

Ffery is town.

Reads (Towniest-Scummiest):

catboi
Scumfuck
Adaptive Heap
DOMO
Bert
Lucky

Unvote

- Des

And now you're twisting about calling *me voting you* scummy where you've not mentioned anything before.

So yeah I'd say I'm happy with my current vote, and I'd encourage others to join me in a lovely protracted L-1 analysis wagon and we'll get that data you've been after.

[Messiah Complex]

And now you're twisting about calling *me voting you* scummy where you've not mentioned anything before.

Um, no. We're calling your inconsistent attacks on us scummy.

- Des

[Messiah Complex]

On what planet does it make sense for Adaptive-town to chastise us for voting all willy-nilly, and then turn around and read us as scum for not voting all willy-nilly?

Especially when we made it clear that if we were to vote it would have been on Lucky, and that that vote would be L-1, and that we don't want any derp hammers in a 7p game that could be in LYLO tomorrow?

We now believe Bert was WKing Lucky. The team is Bert/Adaptive. You're welcome.

Vote: Adaptive Heap

[Messiah Complex]

- Des

[Messiah Complex]

You call us out for being overeager and bloodthirsty, then you call us out for being conservative. Are you just trying to bait us into voting for Lucky right now to put him at l-1?

If nothing else happens I might ultimately do that, but I am scumreading you guys because of the way you dropped your vote.

First you disagreed that wagonning as a strategy wasn't the best play. You say you want wagons to analyze.

We want a wagon and some legitimate reactions to analyze. Sitting around with our thumbs up our ass with no wagon at L-2 sounds dead fucking boring to us.
Of course
We disagree

Then in the very same post you unvote.

I think a couple of things are in play then. One is that this is a brand new hydra, and we're figuring out how we're going to work together.

Ffery is town.

Reads (Towniest-Scummiest):

catboi
Scumfuck
Adaptive Heap
DOMO
Bert
Lucky

Unvote

- Des

And now you're twisting about calling *me voting you* scummy

where you've not mentioned anything before.

So yeah I'd say I'm happy with my current vote, and I'd encourage others to join me in a lovely protracted L-1 analysis wagon and we'll get that data you've been after.

Can you show where we actually mention your vote at all, or are you cool with leaving this misrep hanging out on that ledge all alone?