The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[shos]

spyrex is posting well. also consider: multiball.

OMFG sirdanilot's posting so much and each one of his posts makes me want to lynch him moar and the fact that he's psoting so much makes this a really big contribution. I mean WTF. holy crap 484-487 is totes scumbuddies

lol @ esp 489 I know that feeling, that's why my posting in thu-sat every week is very little

@elscouta: read the link I posted.


onwards to 21

[shos]

Tierce, I disagree about 464. there's nothing townie in that AtE.

@shadoweh: oiu, madam! I might indeed be a competition for jester! no.
your posts look too kidding. you seem like you're not serious.I have nothing against having fun but it looks like you're having

too

much fun.

[shos]

VOTE: Actiondan

I'm sorry, there may be something in NAtirasha, sirdani may actually be town too; I still think these two are scum, but there is REALLY no excuse for Actiondan's posts.

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: MSSK

[Natirasha]

Pls don't kill ssk today.

Is he a lurker? Sure, absolutely. But he's also a lurker I have a certain fondness for and once he gets back from his IRL vacation I will be able to get his alignment down easily.

[Espeonage]

Only voting because it's better for everyone involved if he is lynched instead of modkilled.

[JacobSavage]

How exactly? If he's Mod-Killed and scum we get another lynch.

[Natirasha]

Oh I see he didn't post his vla here. He's been out of town this week. He was supposed to come back today.

SSK!!!!!!!

Also what JSavage said.

[sirdanilot]

But he did post in other games...

[Natirasha]

Not since Wednesday.

[Plum]

Then Aredhel was glad, and looked with pride upon her son; and telling the servants of Eöl that they went to seek the sons of Fëanor they departed and rode away to the north eaves of Nan Elmoth. There they crossed the slender stream of Celon into the land of Himlad and rode on to the Fords of Aros, and so westward along the fences of Doriath.

VOTE COUNT 1:14

Shadoweh

- 1 - PeregrineV

Natirasha

- 1 - Desperado

Espeonage

- 4 - SpyreX, Shadoweh, TheIrishPope, Natirasha

sirdanilot

- 1 - Albert B. Rampage

JacobSavage

- 2 - Tierce, Elscouta

MafiaSSK

- 6 - Cogito Ergo Sum, chamber, ActionDan, Aegor, sirdanilot, Espeonage

ActionDan

- 1 - shos

Not voting (2)

: JacobSavage, MafiaSSK

With 18 players alive it takes

10

votes to lynch.
Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-01-23 01:00:00)

.

Albert B. Rampage

has been prodded.

MafiaSSK

, whose V/LA ends today, has been prodded as well.

[Natirasha]

Espeon's vote was really bad.

[MafiaSSK]

K guys. I'm back. And it looks like I have a wagon on me. Wonderful. I'll catch up and see much how bull all of this is and if there's anyone who pisses me off.

Nat's town, by the way.

[MafiaSSK]

So in making my post I noticed a lot of bullshit. It mostly has to do with how I've been lurking. Well, I've been VLA since Wednesday, I told Plum this. Sorry I didn't post in this thread, I was already on limited access by that time. But next time, I'll do so.

However, I noticed something funny. Not only did (nearly) all of the votes happen on the last page or so, but on page 21 the leading vote count wagon looked like this:

VOTE COUNT 1:12

Natirasha - 5 -

ActionDan,

shos,

Espeonage, Aegor

, Desperado

I found it looking eerily similar to the votecount on this page

MafiaSSK - 6 - Cogito Ergo Sum, chamber,

ActionDan, Aegor,

sirdanilot,

Espeonage

Three players all quick to leave and join wagons. I mean, we can even look at their amazingly reasoned posts.

Yarr. Time for a MafiaSSKlynch.

Ok.

VOTE: mafiassk

UNVOTE:

VOTE: MafiaSSK

Unvote, Vote: MSSK

At least ActionDan attempted to give a sentence on why he's sheeping, but the other two didn't even try. Even when asked afterwards, Espeonage's lovely post 555 gives bad logic.

So those three are definitely bad, but the one I have a serious problem with is CES. He's been voting me for a while, granted, but what he did there and what he's been doing has just been bad.
Like this was the post that he originally voted me with.

Before that post it was more that his posts in the "Neighbourhood" seemed to be relaxed in a away CES weren't quite.

Totes true.

Unvote, vote: MafiaSSK

Tierce, with me!

Not only does he not give a reason but he tries to get one of the stronger players in this town to sheep him. Super iffy.
Then after giving some bs excuse, he gives this great post about chamber.

He provided a "list of reads" and when asked about why he thought chamber was town, refered to a post after the list was made (implying the list was made up and that he actually didn't think about reasoning). When pressed to explain, he said that the original reason of the read was "posts looked genuine", which doesn't convince me either: in a game that had already picked up a decent amount of steam, if he only has two reads, I expect these to be based on factual/loudly spoken reasonings, not based on a very weak reason, on someone that has never been really in the light.

Chamber is notably good at looking town though. And he even had a concrete reference that wasn't based solely on chamber's iso (and thus unlikely to have been made up in response to the situation).

Now tell me how that doesn't look like buddying or defending.

So this is the basis for my VOTE: Cogito Ergo Scum

But he did, actually give some attacks on me this page or the last page as well, so open the spoiler below to see how I responded.

Spoiler: My Reponse to CES's most two recent posts

Yeah guys let's go for a lurker lynch on someone who wasn't even half bad before they flaked.

Except that his play was superscummy? He unvoted Reck based on obvious nonsense when that wagon took off and didn't revote anyone despite saying multiple people were scummy.

So I remember that wagon being super RVS-y and RVS stopped so I stopped voting for him. Then I admittedly lurked for a couple days then I went VLA. Hence no revote. My bad.

Firstly, the reck wagon was horribly terribad. Some of the biggest scumbags were on it (Esp, you, aegor doesn't look too good either though I haven't read him yet, that'll come later) and it was half RVS anyway.

Which wasn't his stated reasoning. The Reckwagon was a good thing because it created pressure and informative situations without significant chance of it turning into a lynch (because Reck); but regardless of what you think of the wagon, "Reck is fine, btw." combined with an unvote is just a scummy reaction.

I doubt he flaked either; he lurks on purpose.

First off, thanks for at least giving me enough credence to say that I didn't flake. Because I didn't. Nor would I ever lurk for this long this much.

Secondly, dude. It was RVS. Relax. It's not scummy.

[MafiaSSK]

Though actually upon giving a quick glance at his ISO, I could totally get behind an Esp wagon too. If deadline starts to become a problem, you can count my vote there.

But let's try and get CES-scum here now, yeah?

[Natirasha]

My one worry with CES is that he's mostly playing on autopilot from what i can tell. He likely knows the case is weak on you but is too bored or whatever to get interested.

[SpyreX]

Damnit SSK that was a good post and a good followthrough with the saddest of votes.

I'm not convinced CES is town by any measure, but AD and Esp (*WINKKK*) are way cooler murder targets.

[Shadoweh]

shos, I'll be sure to try and enjoy mafia less in the future. Some of you are trying very hard to help that happen.
MyDan, you of all people who gets wagoned constantly for lurking should know better then to hop onto a lurker wagon for no reason. What was that suposed to accomplish?

I'm getting really annoyed with Espionage's refusal to do that reading that he's promised about five times now. Is it that hard to fake reads besides the lurker for getting modkilled too slow? JUST POST. You are doing everyone a disservice by making it impossible to read you. (which is probably the point.)

[Espeonage]

I dunno where to start tbh. Ask me stuff. I'm here and willing, but not motivated to reread because it's a shitfest. Contributed by me, but still a shitfest. Directed and scaled questions are more than welcomed and will count as townpoints for actively helping town get a voice.

[MafiaSSK]

I dunno where to start tbh. Ask me stuff. I'm here and willing, but not motivated to reread because it's a shitfest. Contributed by me, but still a shitfest. Directed and scaled questions are more than welcomed and will count as townpoints for actively helping town get a voice.

Convince me that I shouldn't switch my vote over to you. Do a detailed reads list.

[Espeonage]

What part of scoped was difficult to understand? What part of I'm currently over my head was difficult to understand? Detailed reads list. I don't even have two townreads to rub together.

I do need to do this though.

Unvote

And truth be told, the only reason to not lynch me is because you're waiting for me to contribute. Because I doubt anyone can really have too firm of a read on me from my meager offering.

[Shadoweh]

If you're looking for a starting point, you could look in your own posts.

Don't think Jacob is scum, js. I just don't think he's paying attention.

And Sirdan still wants blood far too much for my liking.

Nati's smugness/lackofcare isn't sitting right.

Unvote, Vote: Nati

Do you still believe these things? If yes, why in more detail. If no, why not, in more detail. Who do you think is scum? Now that MafiaSSK has actually posted a ~*~real post~*~ do you still think he's worthy of lynching over you? This question is kind of important right now because we're losing time and the Floppy Brigade has effectively made him your counterwagon.

[MafiaSSK]

What part of scoped was difficult to understand? What part of I'm currently over my head was difficult to understand? Detailed reads list. I don't even have two townreads to rub together.

I do need to do this though.

Unvote

And truth be told, the only reason to not lynch me is because you're waiting for me to contribute. Because I doubt anyone can really have too firm of a read on me from my meager offering.

Actually, you have a rather large offering. 4th largest as a matter of fact. But that doesn't come in content.

Give me some reads in your next post, or my vote will be on you. You've had enough posts to question enough people to be able to determine reads. So do so.

[Espeonage]

Yes, yes, no.

Because Jacob is being Jacob and so he's null. Because Sirdan seems to want to know, manipulate and control everything, coupled with a lalalalalalanotlistening style response to criticism of his reads. Which stems from his bloodlust.

Nati seems better, he just seems bored now.

And no, MSSK isn't worth lynching. Not in the slightest.

Pedit: Wow, k. And yeah, more what I was getting at. And your logic is, you didn't use your posts effectively so pretend you have something you don't or I'm voting you. Cool man.

[MafiaSSK]

Hey Shadoweh, as long as you're here mind if I ask you a couple of questions?

I like the reads list you did and all, but that was a while ago and yet your vote has stayed on Esp without much growth in the reasoning. Like the original reasoning was super weak. Tunneling for a couple of posts that were nearby each other after a gambit? Eh. And now you've seemed to be focused on his lack of responding to reads requests.

So my questions are
Do you still agree that what Esp did with sirdan was tunneling?
How scummy do you think his lack of response is?
What are three reasons that I should be voting him?