The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[Natirasha]

Bah Marketplace was just you dazed and confused I think.

As I said, I'm deferring to chamber here some.

But I also think you're scum off your own merits.

[Espeonage]

Dazed and confused is exactly what I am here.

[Natirasha]

You claimed vt.

You clearly had a plan.

[Espeonage]

I'd been planning to claim VT the next time I drew it before I signed up for this game.

[Natirasha]

@_@

[MafiaSSK]

Yeah guys let's go for a lurker lynch on someone who wasn't even half bad before they flaked.

Except that his play was superscummy? He unvoted Reck based on obvious nonsense when that wagon took off and didn't revote anyone despite saying multiple people were scummy.

Firstly, the reck wagon was horribly terribad. Some of the biggest scumbags were on it (Esp, you, aegor doesn't look too good either though I haven't read him yet, that'll come later) and it was half RVS anyway.

Which wasn't his stated reasoning. The Reckwagon was a good thing because it created pressure and informative situations without significant chance of it turning into a lynch (because Reck); but regardless of what you think of the wagon, "Reck is fine, btw." combined with an unvote is just a scummy reaction.
I doubt he flaked either; he lurks on purpose.

I was referring to when his reminder to people that you exist pushed you into being a real wagon. If you meant he didn't post reasoning when he voted you, half the thread is guilty of that on everyone.

First off, I totally agree with you that it is a problem with half the thread if not more and definitely a problem with site meta in general. But it is scummy behavior and it is also definitely scummy behavior for CES, he's been around long enough to know better. He knows to make for a convincing vote that you need to be able to have solid reasons to be able to back it up.
This is actually another reason why I think he might have been targetting Tierce for that initial secondary vote. Tierce doesn't just sheep, that's partially what makes her so good. She will always have and state reason(s) with her vote or else it would have been clear in posts prior why she would be voting them. This is what CES didn't have but wanted.
So when he finally became able to come up with the flimsy (I explain how they're flimsy in the spoilered section of my catchup post, but if you'd like me to explain it in greater detail I'd be happy to) reasoning he does it as a push and it works. Which shows that he knows that there has to be obvious reasoning behind a vote. And that he had none when the wagon began.

[MafiaSSK]

I think SSK looks good here, actually.

btw @Nat: If you're going to bring up Red Wine (Where I had no townie heat on me for a long while but we went for it because it was working, not because they felt they had to.) I'd present Marketplace in response, I feel very similar here to what I did there towards the end. You were in the game too.

TIP's vote looks forced, could be a bus as people have said, or could be a desperate shove off of a bad judgement call.

There we go. You see, these types of posts make me think that you do have reads even if they're muddled. And I just want to know them, even if they are. So pretty please tell me your opinion of everyone?

[TheIrishPope]

People seem to obviate the fact that he's attacking the people on his wagon but not the argument being made against him...?
And you find that town? Wake up

[MafiaSSK]

People seem to obviate the fact that he's attacking the people on his wagon but not the argument being made against him...?
And you find that town? Wake up

What? That I was lurking? I addressed that. I was VLA. Thanks for playing, though.

[TheIrishPope]

How is it horrible? Response to WHAT? he was only voted for lurking.

Learn to read

SSK's response was horrible.
VOTE: MafiaSSK

If SSK flips scum, this is a bus vote.

Cool

SSK's response was horrible.
VOTE: MafiaSSK

TIP, have we ever played together?
Also, why was my response horrible?

I don't think so

[TheIrishPope]

People seem to obviate the fact that he's attacking the people on his wagon but not the argument being made against him...?
And you find that town? Wake up

What? That I was lurking? I addressed that. I was VLA. Thanks for playing, though.

And that gives you reason to vote CES out of the blue with no prior hint that you suspected him and when other people have done the same that you're voting him for?
And it also gives you reason to call people out on naked voting when you've done the same?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CES, why did you target Tierce in specific and why did you give up so easily on convincing her to vote with you?

I felt JacobSavage's elaboration made that whole sideshow Tierce was engaged in fairly uninteresting, so it seemed like a natural angle. And then I worked that angle more by defending JacobSavage too.

SSK, chamber can confirm that I already posted my reasoning in the Neighborhood before I voted you.

Unvote, vote: Espeonage

[sirdanilot]

Though actually upon giving a quick glance at his ISO, I could totally get behind an Esp wagon too. If deadline starts to become a problem, you can count my vote there.

But let's try and get CES-scum here now, yeah?

Adequate

VOTE: Esp

I dunno where to start tbh. Ask me stuff. I'm here and willing, but not motivated to reread because it's a shitfest. Contributed by me, but still a shitfest. Directed and scaled questions are more than welcomed and will count as townpoints for actively helping town get a voice.

Does nobody see the scumminess here? Really? Giving a condition for town reads (so that his buddy can score townie points), not reading anyone, etc.

And truth be told, the only reason to not lynch me is because you're waiting for me to contribute. Because I doubt anyone can really have too firm of a read on me from my meager offering.

Don't worry about that scummyboy, reading you just fine

catching up now

[sirdanilot]

Ces, you are dissapointed scum that failed making a good counter wagon to your buddy esp, and that now just hops onto the esp wagon so that """"no one will suspect me later because I was on my buddy's wagon"""""?

[sirdanilot]

(ppsst: doesn't work, just stick to your counter wagon next time, however useless. thanks for helping esp-should-die get lynched though)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Nah, I'll probably unvote before it turns into a lynch.

[TheIrishPope]

This is ridiculous

[sirdanilot]

Tip just vote Esp, it's the best possible vote ever

[TheIrishPope]

I was keen on an Esp lynch because it was utility and it was before SSK appeared with his scummy butt on the thread

[sirdanilot]

We can look at mafiassk tomorrow.

Esp is the lynch today.

[TheIrishPope]

the tunnel vision is strong with this one

[Espeonage]

I think SSK looks good here, actually.

btw @Nat: If you're going to bring up Red Wine (Where I had no townie heat on me for a long while but we went for it because it was working, not because they felt they had to.) I'd present Marketplace in response, I feel very similar here to what I did there towards the end. You were in the game too.

TIP's vote looks forced, could be a bus as people have said, or could be a desperate shove off of a bad judgement call.

There we go. You see, these types of posts make me think that you do have reads even if they're muddled. And I just want to know them, even if they are. So pretty please tell me your opinion of everyone?

Everything I currently have is out here. I'll post as I see it.

[Shadoweh]

bleh, c and T are too varying forms of V/LA to ask about CES. From the looks of it I don't think he could get a wagon anyways.
Actually, I wouldn't mind rebooting TIP.exe from scummyoutofplacevotehop.com. It was like he heard there was a party but didn't notice it was over.

[TheIrishPope]

haha

[sirdanilot]

Tip the party is at Esp's