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Post Post #27075 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:26 pm

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In post 27070, chesskid3 wrote:K SO TELL ME THAT ONE WAS MY FAULT
GO AHEAD
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2:00 - Playing support Mundo. lulz
3:30 - Enemy jungler invades at blue, fights midlane Karma, no reaction from Chesskid
4:20 - Jinx goes to fight at tribush, Chesskid ignores and stays in lane
5:00 - Poor lane presence, staying behind ADC, not harrassing enemy
6:00 - Even engage, stands ground, fails to exhaust
6:30 - Fails to engage with ADC, ADC dies for it, fails to exhaust (though overall win trading 2-1)
7:10 - leaves base without a ward
8:00 - Misses Leona kill by targeting Varus instead
8:30 - 0 vision botlane allows easy ahri roam, though isn't punished
9:00 - backs from 4v2 fight instead of tanking damage
10:00 - No lane presence, playing behind ADC, few cleaver attempts are missed
10:45 - fails to stick to Varus, misses easy kill
11:20 - lack of vision leads to death to Vi who ganked from river
12:00 - exits base with single ward, no sightstone yet
12:30 - Shoves bot lane wave that was frozen midlane
13:00 - adequate ward coverage - bot brush
13:20 - Leona engages poorly, sticks to targets, Jinx gets double
14:00 - 3-man push + wave on bot tower, Vi uses gapcloser/escape to get to tower, runs instead of engages. Late engage leads to Shyvana death
15:50 - 0 ward coverage leads to 2 deaths + tower + dragon from Darius gank
17:00 - 0 ward coverage leads to Karma death from Darius gank (Karma was bot)
18:00 - runs mid instead of holding bot inner tower from Varus/Leona push
19:30 - gets caught at enemy bot inner tower, underestimates legendary Darius damage + ignite (Darius build FTR: Ninja Tabi, Last Whisper, IE)
21:00 - tanks well at fight near enemy wraiths
21:30 - Gets caught by Ahri charm at enemy mid tower, dies
22:30 - Has not placed single sightstone ward
23:00 - Good tanking at allied red fight, fails to use FotM active
24:20 - Free enemy dragon, no vision on map
25:10 - fails easy save on Shyvana with FotM active
25:30 - poor ward in botside jungle corridor. Current sightstone wards are that one (bad), one at topside midlane bush (ok), one at allied botlane tribush (bad)
26:30 - lack of vision, gets caught near dragon, free death. Leads to ace, free enemy baron
27:00 - still lacks upgraded (level 2) boots
28:30 - gets caught at enemy red, dies without using FotM or Exhaust. Leads to ace, lost mid inhib
29:30 - abandons backline, adc dies
30:20 - wasted flash engage on ahri
31:00 - caught in topside allied jungle by ahri, dies. Botlane inhib lost
32:30 - takes botlane farm from carries
33:30 - midlane chase, abandons allied Jinx when enemy comes from the side
34:30 - game over
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Post Post #27076 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:32 pm

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I saw like none of that. (By "saw" i mean "noticed while the game was happening and understood those errors")

I'd love for somebody to do that to one of my games so i can understand what i need to work on.
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Post Post #27077 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:34 pm

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In post 27075, Papa Zito wrote: 7:10 - leaves base without a ward
That's what the trinket is for.
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Post Post #27078 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:34 pm

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In post 27077, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 27075, Papa Zito wrote: 7:10 - leaves base without a ward
That's what the trinket is for.
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Post Post #27079 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:46 pm

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In post 27076, Klazam wrote:I'd love for
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Post Post #27080 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:50 pm

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In post 27079, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 27076, Klazam wrote:I'd love for
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I could I guess. Only issue is I'm a silver support player, you'd probably get better results from other scummers that are better at the game than me especially at other positions.
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Post Post #27081 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:58 pm

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Played a taric game with an ezreal who had the world's worst attitude (died 4 times and then gave up)

Taric is really stupid if you haven't played him yet. If you can cycle his autos correctly you can get a ton of damage off really quickly.
They're changing his ult again pretty soon.... again...

I get first blood on the enemy nami going to ward enemy blue because she didn't respect the taric autos. Burned 2 flashes at cost of my own. I'm a god I know.
I do a pretty decent job of keeping necessary vision up (avoiding river/tri ganks and bush wards basically). Didn't build a sight stone right away.
Ezreal leaves. Top teemo's (our team thank god) retarded fed. Vayne is pretty beefy to since we died in several skirmishes bottom where I stuck to the carry while ezreal ran away at 3/4 hp. w/e.
We hold towers and such without giving away a ton of free kills (it's 4v5 at this point). We're slowly able to split and even out tower count. Ezreal comes back.
We lose a couple of team fights but we've managed to take most of the map objectives so it's not terrible.

The real turning point (and the overall point of my post): I finally build a sight stone.

Literally I built it, placed down my 3 wards and we magically started winning team fights, took baron, pushed mid inhib. Took another baron, and then lost trying to base race a nasus/zed. Oh well.

tl;dr build sight stone.
or something like that....
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Post Post #27082 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:10 pm

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In post 27080, Papa Zito wrote:
In post 27079, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 27076, Klazam wrote:I'd love for
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Zito to do that to one of my games so i can understand what i need to work on.
I could I guess. Only issue is I'm a silver support player, you'd probably get better results from other scummers that are better at the game than me especially at other positions.
skill =/= knowledge
Your analysis is fine~
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Post Post #27083 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:11 pm

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In post 27079, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 27076, Klazam wrote:I'd love for
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I consider my main to be support Thresh and I don't ward enough so I know I can work on that but OTHER than that, I'd LOVE for this to happen and I think my/your point is you'd be good for the support critique job. :3

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Post Post #27084 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:13 pm

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In post 27075, Papa Zito wrote:a bunch of shit
Sorry every teamfight after 15-20m was lost before it started we were down so much gold.

That loss = not my fault. Like I said, I could play better, but don't pin that loss on me.
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Post Post #27085 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:14 pm

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Hmm Bronze 3

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Post Post #27086 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:15 pm

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If only I had the time, but I generally don't like spectating games.
If you know you don't ward enough, simply ward more. Make a real effort to do so. After you get out of base all of your wards should be up. You only have to control 3 now+ 1 pink so it isn't that hard.
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Post Post #27087 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:16 pm

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In post 27084, chesskid3 wrote:
In post 27075, Papa Zito wrote:a bunch of shit
Sorry every teamfight after 15-20m was lost before it started we were down so much gold.

That loss = not my fault. Like I said, I could play better, but don't pin that loss on me.
That last game though - you got greedy a whole bunch, and fed Diana several kills and Heimer 1 while going after the Fiora, who you were beating in lane anyways. That quadra was pretty much your fault for sticking around, also.
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Post Post #27088 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:17 pm

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that quadra was taric's fault for charging into a turret without minions. I was splitpushing because it was 4v5, and they couldn't deal with me solo, so if there were 2 with me, it was 4v2 elsewhere
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Post Post #27089 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:18 pm

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Had you left, your team would have followed you, as you're the tank (worse comes to worse, it's a trip and not a quad). Also, learn when to time your ult- you missed it by a bit quite a few times, causing multiple deaths.
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Post Post #27090 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:21 pm

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In post 27084, chesskid3 wrote:
In post 27075, Papa Zito wrote:a bunch of shit
Sorry every teamfight after 15-20m was lost before it started we were down so much gold.

That loss = not my fault. Like I said, I could play better, but don't pin that loss on me.
The only fed player on the enemy team at 15-20m was the Darius. Let's break this down real quick:
- Darius is one of the most easily kited champs in the game. Mundo's slow from his cleaver is an excellent tool for peeling. That means you could have easily kited the Darius for your team but failed to do so.
- As I noted, the Darius was building pure glass cannon. This fact, plus his lack of escape, plus his inability to gapclose, plus the fact that he's the only fed thing on the enemy team, suggests he should be the priority target. I never saw you ping him once. Did you ever suggest to your team that he is the primary target? I think not.
- I also noted that you never used your FotM active or your Exhaust spell. Exhaust works excellently on Darius both as a way to keep him off your carries and to negate the burst damage he does (especially when building glass cannon!) You failed to use either of these actives on Darius' or his target.

You are just as culpable as anyone else on that team for the reasons I stated in my post and probably plenty I missed. Your attitude suggests you won't improve. Enjoy bronze!
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Post Post #27091 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:22 pm

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my presence resulted in 3 of their deaths, as opposed to me running resulting in likely a 3 for 0.
I pinged the correct location to head to, the call was made to go in, I followed. Can't abandon the team. Also if I ult early i'm usually doing it in anticipation of other burst damage or to worst case cause them to have to leave the fight. By max level its CD is fast enough that I'd rather use it early than not get a chance to
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Post Post #27092 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:24 pm

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Post Post #27093 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:25 pm

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You have to look at the game like everything that goes wrong is your fault.

"What could I have done to prevent that from happening?"

"I" is important since it's solo queue. If you can't look at things as what can I do better, how can I roam and help my team, how can I swap lanes to keep my teammate from getting the poodick, how can I help make sure map objectives are secured, what can I do to keep my jungler from getting counter jungled, what can I do to make sure my team has the best chance to succeed in this game.

The second you start thinking about whatever anybody has done wrong is the second you've started doing the wrong thing.

Also mundo ult is better used later than sooner since it's a "current health %" cost to cast so that logic doesn't make any sense.
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Post Post #27094 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:26 pm

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I'm not talking about mundo ult ani was talking about my last game as garen.

And mundo ult should be used early enough that you cant still get bursted while regenning, or darius ulted.
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Post Post #27095 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:27 pm

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I find a garen ult of a 40%hp target is a really good way to indicate to a team to fcking kill this person now
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Post Post #27096 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:28 pm

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The onlybreally bursty champ you had there was Brand, (to my knowledge) who was never around when you ukted earky -vespecially at one point earky ganr where yiu needlesly wated the ignite because had you gone right in, Fiora would have died.
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Post Post #27097 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:29 pm

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Post Post #27098 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:29 pm

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Garen ult's intended and best use is to finish off escaping champions to secure kills but I guess if it works better than just pinging a person then go ahead and waste the cooldown.
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Post Post #27099 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:30 pm

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Speaking of cooldowns, your very noncomittal about that q.
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