Mini 1541: The Heart of Artificial Reality (Game Over)

[Bert]

Vote Count 1.3

FakeGod (0):
kanyeknowsbest (0):
Kazekirimaru (1): MTD
MTD (0):
Om of the Nom (0):
orcinus_theoriginal (3): kanyeknowsbest, phokdapolees, toolenduso
phokdapolees (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Kazekirimaru
toolenduso (0):
Venmar (2): Om of the Nom, FakeGod

Not Voting (1): Venmar

Deadline expires in (expired on 2014-02-01 22:01:18)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[kanyeknowsbest]

venmar phok are town i think. om and fakedgod 2 maybe.

believe orc is scum. his reasoning for townreading venmar is really fuckin bad and i still like the early points i brought up against him. honorary scum shoutout to mtd for avoiding the orc wagon pretty hard.note this is not an associative thing.

i like my vote where it is.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

if we can make this a quicklynch ill be pleased as canbe.

wot do u have against me

VOTE: kaze

vote on kaze is now serious

what happened between these two posts to make your apparently rvs omgus vote become a serious vote?

why do you take issue with kazes vote but not mine, when my vote is backed by an announcement that i wish to quicklynch you?

and why are you so concerned about meta not even 1 page into the game instead of, i dont know, scumhunting?

if we can make this a quicklynch ill be pleased as canbe.

wot do u have against me

VOTE: kaze

vote on kaze is now serious

what happened between these two posts to make your apparently rvs omgus vote become a serious vote?

Kaze's MIA

why do you take issue with kazes vote but not mine, when my vote is backed by an announcement that i wish to quicklynch you?

I do not take issue with his vote.

and why are you so concerned about meta not even 1 page into the game instead of, i dont know, scumhunting?

idk man im sure that's scummy

You mean, these early points?

Yeah no you just saw my scumgame you should

not

be getting me wrong right now.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And how the fuck are you townreading phok?

[kanyeknowsbest]

his position on your wagon and the gusto with which he approached it make me think not scum. ill reconsider the read should you flip scum and i have to decide if he was trying to bus you or not but i doubt scum would try bussing at that point

[kanyeknowsbest]

tbh tho i actually have no idea which part of selkies was you and which was fferry. only thing i really noticed from the slotw as the nacho/ferry interplay and without that influence on it i have no idea how the slot would have played.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm not really seeing Orci scum, yet.

As far as I know Orci uses "fuck" more liberally, kanye, if that helps you tell him and ffery apart.(I could somehow be wrong, but meh.)

[Om of the Nom]

@

OmNom

How much has your meta changes since we have last played together?

Idk man I think just throw out ur meta tells bc I am a different person in general let alone in mafia since we last played oops.
Um I will comb through the game a bit later oops sorry I was with friends again today was not anticipating to be so busy.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

his position on your wagon and the gusto with which he approached it make me think not scum. ill reconsider the read should you flip scum and i have to decide if he was trying to bus you or not but i doubt scum would try bussing at that point

Oh so it's completely associative, good to know.

tbh tho i actually have no idea which part of selkies was you and which was fferry. only thing i really noticed from the slotw as the nacho/ferry interplay and without that influence on it i have no idea how the slot would have played.

And you think my play this game is even remotely similar to last game? Fuck that. This is the first time I've felt actually involved in a game since I've been back.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

his reasoning for townreading venmar is really fuckin bad

good try but no?

[MTD]

Get your votes out of RVS.

I think I like my vote where it is.

[kanyeknowsbest]

huh. reaction actually seemed really town to me

[kanyeknowsbest]

tho 2 correct you, believe what i was saying there was that it was absolutely not associative.

[kanyeknowsbest]

you may not know how that term is used tho which is forgivable.

[kanyeknowsbest]

unvote

[Om of the Nom]

ok so apparently im still voting ven oops UNVOTE:

um ok so i did another quick read through and this string of posts really irks me

anyway

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Venmar

You give me bad feels.

Cool. Let's put Venmar at L-2.

lol btw i wasn't scumreading orci for nitpicking his meta stuff, and if uberterribad wants to call that content okay but i call it questioning orci in what i thought was an odd and possible slip from orc.

PEdit: fuck you, that's against my wincon

vote:kaze

Hah. Nice vote. Let's see you push that wagon. Come on.

Admittedly I did leave out one post in between the first two (it was his reason for the vote) and it's kinda taken out of context as presented, but if u look at it in the context it kinda comes out of the blue and idk man i just get irked by the antagonising stance he is taking like i dont feel like it was townie talk going on in his mind at the time
does anyone else understand what im trying to say help me im too tired to word things properly

I dont enjoy the idea of orci being scum i rlly dont ok so can u guys stop calling him scum thanks

i'll be more coherent tomorrow or maybe if i wake up a bit before i end up falling asleep then i'll post better then but for now i'll just leave it at this and vote in the morning ok friends see u all tomorrow :~)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Get your votes out of RVS.

I think I like my vote where it is.

So are you going to push that wagon or just lie low and hope nobody notices you

Kanye bugs me like hell because I've reread 133 a couple times. Why are you dropping the scumread for ONE post (that doesn't even stand out) when I have roughly a third of the posts in the game?

[MTD]

Get your votes out of RVS.

I think I like my vote where it is.

So are you going to push that wagon or just lie low and hope nobody notices you

Kanye bugs me like hell because I've reread 133 a couple times. Why are you dropping the scumread for ONE post (that doesn't even stand out) when I have roughly a third of the posts in the game?

Sorry, I didn't really have time back when I wrote that, but after a reread I think I am not as happy with voting Kaze as I thought, his play is actually much more consistent than I thought, I don't think orc is scum, either, so yes, I will start something new:
VOTE: tool
His only somewhat relevant post were some meta questions he said he would answer later, but no actual opinions or inquisitive questions directed at players. That is either too lazy or keeping low profile.

[MTD]

Oh yeah I didn't mention un-RVS vote on orci, which seemed pretty lazy as well, just hopping on a wagon and not saying anything about it.

[Kazekirimaru]

unvote

Don't have an idea of where to move your vote? =/

Admittedly I did leave out one post in between the first two (it was his reason for the vote) and it's kinda taken out of context as presented, but if u look at it in the context it kinda comes out of the blue and idk man i just get irked by the antagonising stance he is taking like i dont feel like it was townie talk going on in his mind at the time

That's easily explained - I'm kind of a jerk.

Sorry, I didn't really have time back when I wrote that, but after a reread I think I am not as happy with voting Kaze as I thought, his play is actually much more consistent than I thought, I don't think orc is scum, either, so yes, I will start something new:
VOTE: tool
His only somewhat relevant post were some meta questions he said he would answer later, but no actual opinions or inquisitive questions directed at players. That is either too lazy or keeping low profile.

Are either of those things alignment indicative in tool's case, though? Have you played with him before?

In fact, if anyone has meta on town-tool, that'd be cool. I've played with him twice and he was scum both times. Save me another metadip.

[MTD]

@Kaze: I don't think I have played with anyone here before, except for one or two marathons, that's a problem I am facing atmo...
but generally I would say, that even if it wasn't alignment indicative in his special case, it still doesn't help us, so he should change that...

[toolenduso]

Is this pressure or do you actually think I'm scummy

Why would I pressure you if I didn't find you scummy?

Well, why does sticking with a fake hated townie claim make someone more town?

It wouldn't if it was fake. I would believe it for pretty much as long as he would stick with the claim is what I'm saying, because it wouldn't make sense for scum to keep a hated claim up for very long.

If you insist.

UNVOTE: Kanye
VOTE: Orc

L-2, I think.

Do you have a reason for this?

Yes. It will be in my next post.

Admittedly I did leave out one post in between the first two (it was his reason for the vote) and it's kinda taken out of context as presented, but if u look at it in the context it kinda comes out of the blue and idk man i just get irked by the antagonising stance he is taking like i dont feel like it was townie talk going on in his mind at the time

Welcome to Kaze's playstyle. I've seen him start games like this twice as town. I don't know if he also does it as scum but this feels pretty much exactly the same as when he was town.

VOTE: tool
His only somewhat relevant post were some meta questions he said he would answer later, but no actual opinions or inquisitive questions directed at players. That is either too lazy or keeping low profile.

It's laziness/RL.

In fact, if anyone has meta on town-tool, that'd be cool. I've played with him twice and he was scum both times. Save me another metadip.

Unfortunately because of ongoing games, Mini 1505 is still the most relevant town game for me I can provide, and I think you've already looked at that one.

[toolenduso]

OK so orcinus case. I'm not saying this is the strongest ever but orc was the first one to raise a red flag for me and a good place to start.

Vote: Orci

Litmus test.

ok but i have nothing to respond to so this is a pretty shitty test

just a suggestion: next time you want to pressure me, actually pressure me, don't do this kind of shit because it's useless as jack

This was super early on in the game and really, really defensive. No, I haven't done my meta dip on orc yet, but plan on doing it today. If he always acts like this then this point drops.

Acting scummy in order to "get the game rolling"

So since this is just a flat-out lie and misrep of everything

1) this was not what i was trying to do
2) this is not why om is towning me

1. How is saying your RVS vote is "now serious" out of nowhere not scummy/an attempt to get the game started?
2. Why is he then?

1 it was not of nowhere. I've played with kaze enough to know his town rvs and his schedule. He wasn't here when I expected him to be. Also I just assume that you don't know what a slash actually does, since your argument was scummy+ trying to get game started, and you used scummy or trying to get game started
2) for trying to get the game rolling, not for purposely acting scummy

This post was made after orc switched his vote to phok. So if he thinks kaze is so scummy, why did he switch to phok?

Also, the point about kaze's "town schedule" is super weak and could be reaching to support a case he doesn't actually believe in because he knows kaze is town. (that's the scum explanation)

In retrospect I can't tell if this is dirt throwing or if this is just an attempt at a witty comment, but it certainly is counterproductive to town getting out of rvs

probably bad town though. not part of my case.

^this was in reference to phok. Including a point he doesn't think makes phok look scummy as part of a case against phok makes it seem like orc was looking for things to incriminate phok instead of seeing things and then building a case against him based on that. Scum explanation would be him picking a target first, then building a case afterward.

...and just generally being really defensive. Again, this could be playstyle or personality instead of alignment indicative.

Now, for an interesting side note that's come out of pressure on orc:

I feel like #21 was an attempt to get the game rolling tbh. When you consider the fact that when Kaze asked questions back to Orci and he didn't answer, it kinda feels like he never really intended to go anywhere with it to begin with.

idk about Kaze but I think I'm leaning more towards Orci being town bc of it

idk about Kaze but I think I'm leaning more towards Orci being town bc of it

out of curiosity why are you defending/shielding orc this early when you could let this run its course and get a more confident read out his reactions?

I like to think he's town so I will stick up for that.

I dont enjoy the idea of orci being scum i rlly dont ok so can u guys stop calling him scum thanks

Why are you buddying orcinus so hard, Om of the Nom?

[MTD]

Good catch on OmotNom, this does stand out.
I see, that the 'could just be style' is a common theme of his play in the game you provided as meta as well, so I guess that's ok for now, otherwise I wouldn't like a case that depends entirely on how the meta turns out to be, but I guess I will wait for that.
What do you think of the others?

[Om of the Nom]

Get your votes out of RVS.

If you insist.

UNVOTE: Kanye
VOTE: Orc

L-2, I think.

Can I just say I really hate this wagon jump like he does it without even mentioning he has a real reason and this is like his first post after RVS which makes it seem really out of the blue.

OK so orcinus case. I'm not saying this is the strongest ever but orc was the first one to raise a red flag for me and a good place to start.

I find it a little odd that he's placing Orc at L-2 while openly discrediting his own case.

^this was in reference to phok. Including a point he doesn't think makes phok look scummy as part of a case against phok makes it seem like orc was looking for things to incriminate phok instead of seeing things and then building a case against him based on that. Scum explanation would be him picking a target first, then building a case afterward.

This is legitimately the shittest thing when you compare it with the fact that this is the next sentence after.

...and just generally being really defensive. Again, this could be playstyle or personality instead of alignment indicative.

Now, for an interesting side note that's come out of pressure on orc:

I feel like #21 was an attempt to get the game rolling tbh. When you consider the fact that when Kaze asked questions back to Orci and he didn't answer, it kinda feels like he never really intended to go anywhere with it to begin with.

idk about Kaze but I think I'm leaning more towards Orci being town bc of it

idk about Kaze but I think I'm leaning more towards Orci being town bc of it

out of curiosity why are you defending/shielding orc this early when you could let this run its course and get a more confident read out his reactions?

I like to think he's town so I will stick up for that.

I dont enjoy the idea of orci being scum i rlly dont ok so can u guys stop calling him scum thanks

Why are you buddying orcinus so hard, Om of the Nom?

The way he brought this up and the way he said asked the question really makes this sound like dirt throwing. Also it's a loaded question.
I'm not actually buddying Orc I'm just making a big deal out of the fact I think he's town.

VOTE: tool