Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

pieguyn · Post Post #2725 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:21 pm

oh I forgot. here's some other reads Serene had:

dramonic is possibly too invested to be town
Varsoon is town
DGB is normally able to townread Mac, but not in this game
they like {Dan, Mac, COK, Lush} for scum on Varsoon wagon
Saki is conftown for the rest of the game
bubba is town
Lush Life could be scum and they would probably kill them if they were
DGB also wanted to wagon Kise late D1

Jaqen Hghar · Post Post #2726 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:37 pm

In post 2649, Kagami wrote:I'm pretty much down for CoK

A man laughs out loud!

A man thinks There are too many apoplectic hopping on CoK all at once and that a man's suspicion on Kat was too easily turned aside. Mayhaps a CoK will break under so much pressure that town can then bury their face in some warm Kat instead.

Kagami · Post Post #2727 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:51 pm

I thought quote changing was varsoon's thing -_-

Yukari Yakumo · Post Post #2728 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:05 pm

VC 2.4

ActionDan (L-4):

Varsoon (L-9):

dramonic

dramonic (L-9):

Messiah Complex

Katarina LeBlanc (L-9):

Jaqen Hghar

The Chamber of Kittens (L-7):

ActionDan | Kagami | Katarina LeBlanc

Not Voting:

zMuffinMan, The Chamber of Kittens, Tsukasa, Saki, Mac, GoodCop_BadCop

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch.

The deadline is Feburary 4, 12:00 AM EST.
Deadline Counter: (expired on 2014-02-04 01:00:00)

Saki · Post Post #2729 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:20 pm

In post 2725, pieguyn wrote:Saki is conftown for the rest of the game

told ya

Kagami · Post Post #2730 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:40 pm

What's not to like about the oracle claim, jaqen? If she doesn't know touhou well, as she claims, then she got incredibly lucky with a very flavor-appropriate claim.

Kagami · Post Post #2731 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:45 pm

Why Yuyuko is an oracle: It's not mentioned much on the English wiki, but yuyuko is bestest friends with yukari. Yukari knew yuyuko even when yuyuko was alive (a thousand+ years ago, presumably), and they were friends even then.

It makes a lot of sense that yuyuko would have the ability to ask her friend questions about the game.

pieguyn · Post Post #2732 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:46 pm

^^^ this

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2733 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:01 pm

Ugh, I probably wasted my question and there's an SK in this game.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2734 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:11 pm

lush life wrote:muffina was barely a blip on the radar yesterday, holding back playing it safe, staying away from the major wagons only to make an offhand comment "oh I think all of the main wagons are town!" and yet do nothing to support any of the town reads. <----- scum 101 guyz for realz I promise you from the bottom of my heart muffina will flip red. its just it is such basic scumplay it seems like it is easy to overlook cos yanno it seems kind of obvious! all of his posts are "safe" when maffina is not a safe player and they are designed to promote longevity in a game (not make waves and let town eat their own) and not trying to actually figure things out. DIE SCUMFUCK DIE!!!!1!!

mollie, you quite literally have no idea what my town game looks like. you're making sweeping generalisations here that are so wrong it's not even funny. like, literally every single thing you said in this paragraph is wrong.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2735 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:20 pm

kagami wrote:What I'm saying is very straightforward: the best place to look for scum is on the varsoon wagon. It doesn't matter that there might be a scum on the gaiden lynch or off the wagon, there are likely multiple scum on varsoon and it's a small suspect pool to lynch from.

pretty much what i'm thinking atm. the cok, AD, dram in roughly that order

GoodCop_BadCop · Post Post #2736 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:24 pm

Well, "muffina" (Better than calling you "muff") we're (and by that I mean I'm making hawkie do it) running a large wagon analsysis post.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2737 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:48 pm

is that just on the final wagon(s) of D1?

bubbajack8 · Post Post #2738 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:21 pm

In post 2702, Lush Life wrote:I'm probably going to step away from the hydra for a while. I'm a bit bummed at pretty much all of my reads being wrong so I'm just going to let Bork and Mollie play for a while.

*cough* tooold you so *cough*

GoodCop_BadCop · Post Post #2739 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:39 pm

Spoiler: A Play by Play - Voting Patterns Re: Varsoon and Gaiden.

Key Points:

Varsoon becomes the lead lynch-wagon with about 3 ish days remaining until deadline voted by Lush, Mac, Pie, Varsoon, and GCBC.
Kagami pushes a counter to Varsoon on Gaiden.
Lush, Gaiden, and Tsukasa push a counter to Varsoon on Bubba. Bubba reaches L-6 to Gaidens L-7. Varsoon gets as low as L-2.

Gaiden becomes a lynch-contender with about 2 ish days remeaining. Voting are Messiah, Varsoon, Muffin, and Bubba.
Gaiden and Varsoon would end up in a tie with Lush's unvote on Varsoon.

With about 26 hours to go and both wagons tied up, Serene breaks the tie in favor of Gaiden, while Varsoon brings the vote back to a tie with a self vote. Saki ends up breaking the tie to lynch Gaiden.

I spent way too much time gathering data and formatting, and still have lots of questions to analyze. But here are a few thoughts - Personally, I think Pie's comments re: Gaiden's wagon still ring true to me. A purely town scum-flash wagon doesn't make any sense. I think there was a point that scum decided they were going to drop Gaiden. If I had to guess, I would say it was around post #2221 when Gaiden said he was going to leave them high and dry through the rest of the day phase and through the night phase. Interestingly this is the same point where votes started piling up.

Initial impressions tell me that Saki, Lush, and Muffin's votes are suspect. Also, why did Varsoon tie up his wagon with Gaiden when the tie still would have resulted in a Gaiden lynch?

~GC

Messiah Complex · Post Post #2740 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:49 pm

The notion that the scum would just "give up" on a 1-shot strongman encryptor D1 with two viable counterwagons (one of whom was pushing his own wagon) is ludicrous. If there was scum on Gaiden, they were on it early and didn't have a chance to get off because they weren't here at the deadline.

- Des

Messiah Complex · Post Post #2741 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:52 pm

With that said, we're town, Kaze flipped, Katerina's town because role, and Kagami is just town.

Scum were doing everything they could to save Gaiden.

-Des

pieguyn · Post Post #2742 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:00 pm

there's a good chance the scumteam can't utilize daytalk well and sees the encryptor as not very useful. and Gaiden wasn't really doing anything at all. that lynch is too fking good to be true, and a lot of my unknowns are on said wagon (though this one is perspective based). so a bus there is very reasonable

and the strongman is just a 1-shot

this is exactly why GCBC is practically confirmed town btw

Messiah Complex · Post Post #2743 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:06 pm

In post 2742, pieguyn wrote:and the strongman is just a 1-shot

The strongman being 1-shot is an argument in my favor--even more incentive to just bus Gaiden for being useless tomorrow after he's gotten his kill off.

And I can't come up with a scum team in this playerlist that would look at day talk and just toss it away like that.

- Des

Saki · Post Post #2744 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:07 pm

I once quickhammered my scumbuddy D1 in a micro.

Saki · Post Post #2745 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:11 pm

In post 2739, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Initial impressions tell me that Saki, Lush, and Muffin's votes are suspect. Also, why did Varsoon tie up his wagon with Gaiden when the tie still would have resulted in a Gaiden lynch?

i know for one thing that my vote wasn't logical
i wanted varsoon alive since i like him

and if you've read varsoon's posts around the time of his vote its likely just overwhelming frustration

this is a game of logic but not all of the people that play play logically

Jaqen Hghar · Post Post #2746 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:20 pm

In post 2730, Kagami wrote:What's not to like about the oracle claim, jaqen? If she doesn't know touhou well, as she claims, then she got incredibly lucky with a very flavor-appropriate claim.

A man doesn't know Touhou flavor either, but a protagonist (some have said) flipped scum and a man's own wiki sounds nothing of an innocent child

Patchouli Knowledge (パチュリー・ノーレッジ Pachuri Norejji) is a witch and resident of the Scarlet Devil Mansion. She's friends with the mistress of the house, Remilia Scarlet, and acts as resident librarian. She's known as a highly capable, experienced, and studious magician, usually found researching the countless tomes within the house library. But her great abilities are offset by her poor health, caused by long-time reclusivity and asthma. Although featured as a boss in just one game, she's a playable character in three others, and is seen or referenced in many story points throughout the series.

A man may should even argue that Katarina the White's claim and wiki match too perfectly given flips...

Jaqen Hghar · Post Post #2747 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:23 pm

A man also notes it takes about five minutes to Google "mafiascum role" and choose from the many listed. A man is also fairly certain the host would provide scum with salt and wine as they are guests in his house.

Jaqen Hghar · Post Post #2748 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:26 pm

In post 2736, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Well, "muffina" (Better than calling you "muff") we're (and by that I mean I'm making hawkie do it) running a large wagon analsysis post.

A man still waits for a better nickname than "boy", yes?

Jaqen Hghar · Post Post #2749 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:28 pm

A man also sees "Oracle" has little and less to do with alignment.