League of Legends (Old)

[Saki]

I went 6-0 in promos on my alt
then I played two games today
and now I'm 6-2.

What the fuck.

Every single member on my team for both the games I lost were plat last season, and omgwtf they were trash.

I went 3-0 in lane and the score at that point was 3-13. What the fuck.

Based off of my last few games I'd define ELO hell as anything below Diamond 3.

[Maestro]

...Koreans really have a skewed existence/perception of reality when it comes to vidyo gamez

[Nikanor]

stop calling it ELO

[yessiree]

STOP RAISING THE MMR WITH UR KOREAN SKILLS GODDAMIIT

GO BACK TO UR KOREAN SERVER

[BROseidon]

ADC balance is as much dictated by the supports as it is by the ADCs.

Wait until Leona/Thresh/Annie all get nerfed or until Alistar/Lulu/etc get buffed, then Vayne will be fine.

[Brandi]

Annie doesn't need a nerf

[Maestro]

NEITHER DOES MY WARDEN BABEH

[BROseidon]

Annie very needs a nerf.

Leona/Annie/Thresh every fucking game and it's getting old.

[Cephrir]

Roit pls, I want to play Soraka/Sona/Janna again =(

[Brandi]

Annie is so easy to lane against. Like what are you playing vs her? Lulu/Thresh beat her easy so does Leona.

[Nikanor]

Annie is so easy to lane against. Like what are you playing vs her? Lulu/Thresh beat her easy so does Leona.

But Brandi, she can stun me from range and I have to run away! Then, 30 seconds later when I finally muster the courage to stand close to her again, she stuns me AGAIN!!! It's so overpowered, how do you lane against that??

[JasonWazza]

Pay attention to her spell cast number/the swirling white "i'm gonna stun you now" mist.

[hiplop]

man, I am absolutely terrible at this game. (level 29 atm)

[animorpherv1]

Miss Fortune is so fun to play as like wow.

[MrZepher]

As far as ADC's go Vayne will always be able to hard carry games because of in fight mobility, hard cc and lol true damage. The problem is that she needs to outplay literally everything in order to be effective. It's not that she's bad, it's just that she's not easy and a lot of people would rather play easy laners like Lucian/Jinx/Sivir that don't need to work as hard to do stuff.

I could go on forever about supports but the summary is that no skills champs with damage like annie > okay utility champs with no damage like janna or nami.
If they want Annie to stop appearing bot then they need to turn her Q into a skillshot, which won't happen because then she won't be played at all.

predit: MF is awful because her range is short, she has no self peel and her passive is nonexistent in teamfights. That's not even talking about the fact that her only attack speed steroid only lasts for like 3-4 autos and a chunk of her AA damage is magic. Needs too much attention from her own team and doesn't put out enough damage for it to be a decent trade off. Also her team needs a ton of CC in order for her Ult to do anything and live.

edit: I say this stuff in context of people who are trying to win games. If you're playing MF because it's fun and you want to that's fine. If you're trying to win games MF probably isn't the best pick.

[animorpherv1]

predit: MF is awful because her range is short, she has no self peel and her passive is nonexistent in teamfights. That's not even talking about the fact that her only attack speed steroid only lasts for like 3-4 autos and a chunk of her AA damage is magic. Needs too much attention from her own team and doesn't put out enough damage for it to be a decent trade off. Also her team needs a ton of CC in order for her Ult to do anything and live.

550 is actually higher than Graves, Jinx, Kog'Maw, and Sivir - and tied with Corki, Draven, Lucian, Tristana (at level 1), Twitch, and Vayne - so every ADC minus Cait, Ashe, and Varus is either tied for her range or below it at one point or another. Her passive

is

nice for getting back to lane quickly in laning phase, and catching up to teammates who are ahead and chasing enemies. Not too sure about the rest.

[MrZepher]

How many of those have some sort of escape or self-displace?
Most of them.

How many of them do more damage with the same gold?
Most of them.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

predit: MF is awful because her range is short, she has no self peel and her passive is nonexistent in teamfights. That's not even talking about the fact that her only attack speed steroid only lasts for like 3-4 autos and a chunk of her AA damage is magic. Needs too much attention from her own team and doesn't put out enough damage for it to be a decent trade off. Also her team needs a ton of CC in order for her Ult to do anything and live.

550 is actually higher than Graves, Jinx, Kog'Maw, and Sivir - and tied with Corki, Draven, Lucian, Tristana (at level 1), Twitch, and Vayne - so every ADC minus Cait, Ashe, and Varus is either tied for her range or below it at one point or another. Her passive

is

nice for getting back to lane quickly in laning phase, and catching up to teammates who are ahead and chasing enemies. Not too sure about the rest.

you 4got urgot

[animorpherv1]

How many of those have some sort of escape or self-displace?
Most of them.

How many of them do more damage with the same gold?
Most of them.

Her E works as an escape kind of, because the slow gives her time to ramp up her passive if used correctly.

P-edit: I totally missed Urgot, not used to seeing him ever.

[MrZepher]

Let me clarify that
Graves is tankier than most other AD's because of his passive, and can create a zone that he can kite through
Jinx's Q gives her excellent range and aoe, plus she has plenty of CC that she can peel for herself, and a global execute
Sivir has more in fight mobility, and the ability to ignore direct engages/hard cc, and her boomerang hurts like a bitch.
Kog'maw has better base health (best in the game i think) and can do more damage in a teamfight with less items, and his W gives him 710 range.

Corki, Lucian, Tristana, Caitlyn and Vayne can displace themselves and all have some form of consistent/near consistent ranged damage (except vayne)
Ashe has hard cc, and can kite very hard
Varus has hard aoe cc, ranged burst and can drop a zone on himself that applies grievous wounds
Urgot is naturally tanky and gains even more tank stats after he ults

MF has her zone that doesn't slow for very much, and the biggest reason you pick her (aoe ult) requires her to channel which leaves an open window for enemies to jump on her. She has really good laning, I'll give her that but if you don't win fights in the mid game you fall off immediately. MF has 3 moves, Ult/auto/run and you can only pick 1.

edit: She's not the worst AD carry in terms of damage, and I think overall Urgot is a worse champion but I'm trying to further my point that MF needs her team to create a barrier for her and that's not going to work out too well in the current meta.

[animorpherv1]

That's fair.

[Cephrir]

I love MF in lane. I've probably had more games with her than any other champ in which I went like 12/1 in lane or something similarly absurd and then had no ability to finish it whatsoever.

[PJ.]

This just in, Miss Fortune is a worse version of Graves. That is all.

@Junpei, A large portion of the reason she was able to lane against many of the things that "beat" her was because of her condemn which had a mini stun attached to it. As soon as the removed it, she started to fall too far behind the tough matchups and started to lose to even ones.

@Annie, Yes she needs a nerf.

@Miss Fortune, I think she is fine? Could use a bit more damage but if she snowballs the lane she can generally crush the game. A lot like Corki except Corki is way worse late and is way nerfed. I want Corki to come back.

[Venmar]

I will always want to think that Graves and Miss Fortune are good ADC's, cause they're what I play when I ADC, and they're not that bad.

[Glork]

MF changes slated to hit PBE any day.