Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

[TierShift]

I take that back. There IS scum on my wagon. The question is whether or not it's the whole team or one of them plus RobW.

Cool why

[ika]

I think there's a little bit to be gained by the RobW flip, not a whole lot though. I think we're in a bind though: He posts just enough to not get replaced. So... What the hell is his usefulness to us?

@ ika - Want to know why I feel like "you won't lynch me?" Because I'm town. Just like you said you don't feel threatened due to being town, I feel like I won't be lynched because I'm town. There's a reason I'm wanting to know if someone has intent to hammer.

So tell me: Do you have a serious intent to hammer?

the way you are posting, yes. even if you are town your becoming over-confident in it. i know im town and i feel like i have scums pegged but your "im gonna flip town what willl you do then" is more harmful for town then helpful atm.

towns should not being "lynch me and see im town" they should be giving out final reads and claiming a role and maybe pointing out the scums that are voting you. that being said

if i end up dying i want ppl to take my 2 biggest scum reads and look into it

teirshift and nacho

one if not both are probally scum

[bjc]

I take that back. There IS scum on my wagon. The question is whether or not it's the whole team or one of them plus RobW.

Cool why

Lol. The person who doesn't offer much substance making a "cool why" post as if I haven't offered anything before.

[TierShift]

Sorry then.

Fwiw your rob vote is weaker, do something with your vote. What do you think your vote on rob will accomplish?

At this point? Lynching scum.
It amazes me that everyone else apparently thinks that there's a chance of this guy being town.

He's null and you aren't gonna convince me otherwise on the basis of 4 empty posts.

Why do you think he playing the way he is?
Do you not think the posting to avoid replacement is a little bit sketchy despite apparently having no interest in the game whatsoever?

You didn't answer my questions.

Maybe he's like, a stupid newbie?

[TierShift]

I take that back. There IS scum on my wagon. The question is whether or not it's the whole team or one of them plus RobW.

Cool why

Lol. The person who doesn't offer much substance making a "cool why" post as if I haven't offered anything before.

Same as to ika before, burden of proof is on you, not on me.

[Nachomamma8]

What do you mean by the stupid newbie comment?

[ika]

"Scums do it more often". Where do you get this information from?

in my personal expeince, i have found scums to be the cocky ones, this may be a player biass type thing but its what i tend to perceve it as unless i have them as town or it is their typical playstlye

[bjc]

I take that back. There IS scum on my wagon. The question is whether or not it's the whole team or one of them plus RobW.

Cool why

Lol. The person who doesn't offer much substance making a "cool why" post as if I haven't offered anything before.

Same as to ika before, burden of proof is on you, not on me.

The "proof" that I'm scum is based on a feeling you're sheeping. Tell me again why I'm scum?

[TierShift]

What do you mean by the stupid newbie comment?

It means they are irrational. Posting like that is super null in newbies.

[ika]

gtg get ready for work

everyone thinkg about teri/nacho scum partners i cant shake the feeling that they are the scums

[TierShift]

The "proof" that I'm scum is based on a feeling you're sheeping. Tell me again why I'm scum?

I think you misunderstand what burden of proof means. You need to explain why the wagon on you is scummy, not write incoherent stuff that has nothing to do with that.

As for how I feel on you, I believe I have stated it previously and I'm not gonna keep on repeating myself. Reread if you want to know.

[Nachomamma8]

What do you mean by the stupid newbie comment?

Still waiting, TierShift.
So far the only arguments I can hear for not lynching Rob are "what if he is town? Lurking isn't scummy!" and "what information do we gain from his lynch?" which are both piss poor arguments that don't actually address his changes of being scum. Rob is posting the barest minimum that he can get away with without being replaced. What does this mean as far as his alignment goes? This means that he's meeting the minimum quota to stay under the game, his one and only vote balanced out an ika wagon with an emerald wagon (funny, because that's who I think is his scum partner). If he didn't want to play, he wouldn't have to. Normally, when newbies get bored, they replace out. Rob has an investment that's large enough to warrant him logging onto this site every few days to make sure that he doesn't get replaced, and yet his posts show absolutely no impetus to catching scum, no intent to catch scum, nothing. Do you think it's because he doesn't know what to do? No, he can ask for help if he needs it; that's what I'm here for. Do you think it's because every time he logs on his fingers are so frozen that he can only type out a word or two at best? Because that's the best explanation I can see here other than "he's scum".

[Nachomamma8]

What do you mean by the stupid newbie comment?

It means they are irrational. Posting like that is super null in newbies.

Irrational implies a failure of logic. Where is Rob's logic bad?

[bjc]

More on why Rayfrost is scum:
First he attacks ika, tunneling in but also continuously calling out others for lurking/not posting content. (Which IS a scumtell) What he doesn't do, however, is trying to scumhunt outside of ika. (Nother one) I see a few questions, but they are mostly about his own case and trying to recruit for his case. Now, after he let ika off the hook (because no one had been convinced) but still thinking he is scum (?), he goes onto a lurker, so from someone he is convinced he is scum, onto a nullread lurker? Doesn't make any town sense to me.

UNVOTE:

Uhhhh...I think I might have been mistaken about ray being scum....that rant of posts was incredibly townish and denying most of my accusations (not scumhunting, taking the easy road, trying to paint only lurkers black), even though he did not address my post.

I have to say 279 is incredibly scummy but I'm just gonna take one step back now before hopping around even more.

LMB, what do you think about nacho so far?

VOTE: bjc

The above being said, I actually feel a lot better about this than rob.

The most major points against bjc, in my opinion, are his complete flexibility, and lack of proactivity when it comes to scumhunting. He's been an almost completely passive recipient of the game. He posts, but many of them give the feeling of "I have posted content, now you guys can use this bone to go away and ignore me." How much follow up has he had on

anything

he's done this game? I'm not going to lie, he's got posts that are content-heavy in terms of giving reads and opinions, but almost all of them are one-offs. Like a butterfly settling on a flower without pollinating. Drop here, deposit opinion, fly away and deposit opinion elsewhere, rinse repeat. There's no commitment to anything, and there's a line between having shifting reads and a long list of votes by convenience. I feel like he's crossed that line.

This. It's good. It made me think.
And now the lazy emerald vote which doesn't go much further than 'no content'

So.. That's it? You really haven't offered much on why you voted me. Or why I'm scum. And why such a fast change in direction? Or is that only applicable to me?

You're sheeping on a feeling someone has on why I'm scum, and that "feeling" is more applicable to someone else!

BTW I know what Burden of Proof is. In my eyes you haven't done much to prove I'm scum, therefore everyone else should assume I'm townie.

[TierShift]

Spoiler: lol

"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten

Can this guy just read my mind

You say that him posting fluff every 2 days is scum not wanting to scumhunt. Which is what a rational human being would do. Newbies are irrational, hence.

Another explanation:
He has no idea how this game works and he is just hanging around here. In time he will get bored and get replaced. What he's done so far is the epitome of null so just let this idea go.

Why is emerald his buddy? Because he is also lurking?

Maybe you should not play in newbie games if you think lutking is scummy.

[TierShift]

Uh in 331 I try to imply that I thoroughly agree with ray's 314, if that wasn't clear. The sudden change because reasons stated in posts you quoted, I think I was wrong before and I'm right now.
I think that feeling is very much applicable to you and not to emerald.

You still don't explain why there is scum on your wagon.

[bjc]

Because one person that IS scum is voting me for sure (emeraldemon).

[bjc]

I just don't know what more there is to it.

[ika]

Uh in 331 I try to imply that I thoroughly agree with ray's 314, if that wasn't clear. The sudden change because reasons stated in posts you quoted, I think I was wrong before and I'm right now.
I think that feeling is very much applicable to you and not to emerald.

You still don't explain why there is scum on your wagon.

a bigger burden of proof would be is if he flips town, if he flips scum hteres nothing to prove, here if he were to flip town it would come ot he burden of you.

[ika]

What do you mean by the stupid newbie comment?

Still waiting, TierShift.
So far the only arguments I can hear for not lynching Rob are "what if he is town? Lurking isn't scummy!" and "what information do we gain from his lynch?" which are both piss poor arguments that don't actually address his changes of being scum. Rob is posting the barest minimum that he can get away with without being replaced. What does this mean as far as his alignment goes? This means that he's meeting the minimum quota to stay under the game, his one and only vote balanced out an ika wagon with an emerald wagon (funny, because that's who I think is his scum partner). If he didn't want to play, he wouldn't have to.

Normally

, when newbies get bored, they replace out.

Rob has an investment that's large enough to warrant him logging onto this site every few days to make sure that he doesn't get replaced, and yet his posts show absolutely no impetus to catching scum, no intent to catch scum, nothing. Do you think it's because he doesn't know what to do? No, he can ask for help if he needs it; that's what I'm here for. Do you think it's because every time he logs on his fingers are so frozen that he can only type out a word or two at best? Because that's the best explanation I can see here other than "he's scum".

i bolded the important part, and underlined the more important word. you are going with what "normally" happens. alwasys expect unexpected

[Nachomamma8]

Spoiler: lol

"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten

Can this guy just read my mind

You say that him posting fluff every 2 days is scum not wanting to scumhunt. Which is what a rational human being would do. Newbies are irrational, hence.

Another explanation:
He has no idea how this game works and he is just hanging around here. In time he will get bored and get replaced. What he's done so far is the epitome of null so just let this idea go.

Why is emerald his buddy? Because he is also lurking?

Maybe you should not play in newbie games if you think lutking is scummy.

At this point, you're seeing what you want to see, which is fine.

[Nachomamma8]

What do you mean by the stupid newbie comment?

Still waiting, TierShift.
So far the only arguments I can hear for not lynching Rob are "what if he is town? Lurking isn't scummy!" and "what information do we gain from his lynch?" which are both piss poor arguments that don't actually address his changes of being scum. Rob is posting the barest minimum that he can get away with without being replaced. What does this mean as far as his alignment goes? This means that he's meeting the minimum quota to stay under the game, his one and only vote balanced out an ika wagon with an emerald wagon (funny, because that's who I think is his scum partner). If he didn't want to play, he wouldn't have to.

Normally

, when newbies get bored, they replace out.

Rob has an investment that's large enough to warrant him logging onto this site every few days to make sure that he doesn't get replaced, and yet his posts show absolutely no impetus to catching scum, no intent to catch scum, nothing. Do you think it's because he doesn't know what to do? No, he can ask for help if he needs it; that's what I'm here for. Do you think it's because every time he logs on his fingers are so frozen that he can only type out a word or two at best? Because that's the best explanation I can see here other than "he's scum".

i bolded the important part, and underlined the more important word. you are going with what "normally" happens. alwasys expect unexpected

What normally happens happens quite a bit, believe it or not.

[TierShift]

Because one person that IS scum is voting me for sure (emeraldemon).

Nah.

Uh in 331 I try to imply that I thoroughly agree with ray's 314, if that wasn't clear. The sudden change because reasons stated in posts you quoted, I think I was wrong before and I'm right now.
I think that feeling is very much applicable to you and not to emerald.

You still don't explain why there is scum on your wagon.

a bigger burden of proof would be is if he flips town, if he flips scum hteres nothing to prove, here if he were to flip town it would come ot he burden of you.

Burden of proof means that the one that makes a claim has to prove it's true, not have the other prove it's untrue (which is usually impossible). I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Nacho, explain emeraldscum.

[bjc]

That's not exactly what Burden of Proof mean, but this isn't AP Language class so I'll pass on that.


Look at AbboTT's reason for why I'm scum, then change the name of which the post is addressing from bjc to emeraldemon, and you have it!

[Nachomamma8]

That's not exactly what Burden of Proof mean, but this isn't AP Language class so I'll pass on that.


Look at AbboTT's reason for why I'm scum, then change the name of which the post is addressing from bjc to emeraldemon, and you have it!

Why did you say "if you all are so hungry for a lynch, why don't you lynch Rob"?