Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[Cabd]

Pagetop 3?

[pirate mollie]

muffina is town!

[Kazekirimaru]

Mastin, when you attempt to turn in your AP Calc homework with just answers and no work shown, don't be fucking surprised when everyone thinks you cheated and already had the answer sheet.

Fun fact:

I used mental math for concepts that most people couldn't do without calculations for

years

. In fact, my mental math often proved more accurate than my written math, because mentally, I came to the right answer, but when trying to do the processes that I had skipped, I made mistakes--sometimes obviously, or sometimes knowing they were mistakes yet not being able to figure out *why* they were mistakes.

I was later forced to learn to write it down because my teacher refused to give credit for the mental math, in spite of me having absolutely no method of cheating and my answers largely being right anyway. Understandably, I was worse at math for a while before I learned how to adjust.

So, yes, I can be surprised that people think I cheated, because I'm an honorable guy, for the most part. I expect me saying "No, I didn't cheat; that'd just be cheating myself. Why would I cheat?", means that people won't think I'm cheating, since I wasn't. I just did it, naturally. Granted, there were some things I needed to work at--to study. But for the most part, math was intuitive. I grasped the concept, and really really

got

it. (I did have trouble tying separate concepts together, though. Doing one, was fine. Doing the other, was fine. Doing both, my mind broke down.) Anything I write down is mostly a formality in math for me having already worked out the answer. The mind's faster than the hand.

...You probably need a better metaphor.

Reads = math, eh?

I don't accept. Apologies. Step up to the board and grab the chalk.

[pieguyn]

Not immediately. My reads list is the sixth in my iso. But yes. I did. Number of posts doesn't matter; I've got the read and I'm going to say as much.

if number of posts doesn't matter why are you drawing attention to the fact that six posts != immediately? discrediting much?

anyway, your posts before that were all part of your catchup. so you posted it immediately when you were done catching up. it's p fking obvious that's what I meant. conclusion: you are grasping at straws

Yeah? I mean. I have the reads. They're probably wrong, but they're what I'm feeling all the same.

thx for proving my point. a town you would be up front and SAY your reads are probably wrong. but you didn't. you tried to pass your reads off as stronger than they really were

this is scum motivation no matter who it is but the fact that I remember reading you generally pull shit like this as scum makes me even more sure

Not sure you understand what that expression means. I basically have said exactly this--that the reason I haven't flipped the switch is because I'm generally not this accurate early on. Basically, I feel, gut-wise, that my reads are awesome enough to basically flip the switch now. Rationally-wise, I know better. I'm not that good, even though I FEEL like I am. Basically, I AM confident. I just know said confidence will eventually waver.

if "rationally-wise, you know better" then why do you seem to have no problem with declaring a lynch pool 24 hrs into the game? it doesn't make sense to me. if you're not confident, why wouldn't you do smth like WAIT FOR MORE CONTENT TO TRY AND CONFIRM OR DENY SAID READS? this is what any rational person would do, including town you

I'm also feeling great this game, which helps. I feel like the town players here are already in the process of synching up, just like last Xeno game, and that the scum are trapped on the outside for the most part. I generally don't feel like instantly flipping the switch, but this game is going so damn awesomely that I kinda sorta feel like I almost could flip it right here and now and be that pseudo-scumhunting-god.

TOWN:
MafiaSSK
Angry Frat BROs
Sangres
zMuffinman

Skullduggery
Kagami

Varsoon
macmollie
Cabd
Brian Skies (fairly interchangeable with Cabd, but overall weaker)

LEANING TOWN:
ActionDan
orcinus_theoriginal

LYNCH POOL:
pieguyn
Aegor (mutually exclusive with Cephrir)
Cephrir (mutually exclusive with Aegor)
Kazekirimaru
Metal Sonic
Flandre Scarlet

NULL:
Venmar

So basically, 7 or so names for scum candidates, maaaaaaaaaaaaybe eight if you bump orcinus down--I need a little over half that. (I'm

guessing

five scum for this game, but it's difficult to be certain if it's four or five.)

I'm otherwise preoccupied, so I'll see if I can analyze the details later.

like tell me these posts come from someone who thinks their confidence is going to start wavering at some point. your actions don't match your words. I also noticed some buddying in 213 re: the town players syncing up and the previous xeno game. you got caught BS'ing and now you're just making shit up to cover it up

Yep! Join the club with Cephrir, Cabd, and several others chastising me for it. It's there. It exists. I have it. That's the best explanation I can give.

playing the victim now are we? you do realize that just bc multiple people point out your terrible scummy read doesn't make your read any less terrible or scummy?

[sangres]

Zmuffin,

Why do you need to be asked?

And why do you know mastin is town?

i needed you specifically to ask for this to be funny

Spoiler:

meta

Ok. Go on?

[mastin2]

No, YOU need to give me one of your patented walls'o'text telling me what the baseline for dantown and danscum entry posts is; and how specifically this matches the town baseline more. This is a team game, not a "stroke mastin's inflated ego" game.

It feels like Walking Dead and that one New York game, not Pinkmin?

Like. That's what I've got. That it felt like his more casual scumhunting self, not his scum self.

[pieguyn]

Zmuffin,

Why do you need to be asked?

And why do you know mastin is town?

i needed you specifically to ask for this to be funny

meta

when I finish running mastin into the ground you're next

[ActionDan]

Oh look, walls.

Did you /see/ it? There were some pretty scary votes there. It was useful though, I think Muffin is town now. Also, Brian's reaction was pretty odd.

"Odd?" Do tell.

I would have been too, but the self vote kind of made me care less.

I personally wouldn't have minded if the wagon continued on.

I'll be honest: When it comes to this series of questions from Kaze, my instinctive reaction is "kinda sorta feels faked". It's something I can see being legitimate scumhunting, but can also see as being scum faking it.
When it comes to a similar series of questions from Skull, though, my instinctive reaction is, "Oh! Yeah! That's town, alright."

So, why do they feel different?

Vote: Brian

i don't think brian is scum

Is probably town, but I need more to be sure. (Seventh.)

General agreements here, but why do you think so?

Are ya now?

I like Skullduggery for town. I thought I'd have warm fuzzies about Kaze by now, but I don't.

That's cool. You've given me none, either.

I can give you the TL;DR if you'd prefer?

You offer this so soon after bringing up ny 165 and

shaping reads

.

lolparanoia

Okay, maybe one warm fuzzy for you.

Kazekirimaru

If I wanted people to know who I was, I would be on my main account. That being said, you're the only one who really called out my naked vote on Brian. Townpoints to you.

Metadodgers make me sad. I wish I could lynch you just for this reason.

Funny, the former is what this entire post feels like to me

You too, eh?

Indeed, but this wagon feels different. It's not an all-scum wagon, but I'd be surprised if it was mostly or entirely town. Like I said, I'm betting either two or three scum on it. Probs not Skull, Kagami, Varsoon, zMuff, or Brian Skies. But could be Kaze (nullscum), pie (scum), Flandre Scarlet (null), Metal Sonic (nullscum), or orcinus (nullish, maaaaaybe nulltown; difficult to be certain).

What makes this one feel different?

There is not nearly enough evidence to support either of these reads

Hey, someone sees it!

4. Brian Skies
^Also town. Brian Skies gives off the aura of a town player who doesn't give a crap about the wagon on him. He's relaxed, he's casual, and he's also not being a lurkaderp; he's still putting time, effort, and analysis into the game.

What did you think of his selfvote?

And how can you say he's not lurking at this point? The game has been up for two days and he hasn't posted for the latter one.

5. Cabd
^Town. I admittedly do not know Cabd that well; I'm not sure I've seen his scumgame and am not intimately familiar with his towngame. But his posting so far just feels like town, and that's good enough for me.

lol It really shouldn't be.

8. Kagami
^Town. I can see the aura of towniness emitting from Kagami right now, and it is clear as can be.

Agreements. But again, why?

10. macmollie (mac + pirate mollie)
^Fairly decently town. Mollie hasn't done much, but what she has done gave me an immediate townvibe from her.

How?

No but really, mastin, several of your stances are very unsubstantiated and it bugs me.

And someone else sees it!

I wouldn't have voted for Brian if I didn't think he was Scum, so I'm looking more closely at the second scenario right now. The first three people on the Brian wagon were Kaze, Pieguyn, and Flandre. Of those three, Flandre is making me the most uncomfortable. I see nothing but fluff, a naked vote, and what looks like an attempt to produce content just for the sake of producing content.

And my reasoning was so much better?

holy fuck you really are scum
vote: mastin

Let's vote together this whole game, yeah? Apparently we're both town~!

It's not true of the two games that I played with scum-Mastin. And in my prior meta-forays, I found him to be arrogant and confident in some of his town games. But, I don't constantly re-meta or read ALL the games like some players I could mention.

I disagree. PA's LesMis and Mastin's play there disagree, as well.

People ask me this kind of question all the time, and I think it comes down to a communications gap. I can't fully express the gestalt that goes into a read, so I pick some highlights that I think hang together and will resonate. Or maybe I could express the gestalt if I were willing to write really, really long walls that nobody would want to read.

I'd read it!

also you have about two seconds to explain mastin town before I run your ass into the ground for being his partner

Oi, yes. I feel town-pie for sure. I like it.

---

I'm having some troubles this game, I fear. I didn't expect this. I got far too few strong reads from the first few pages. I'm upset.

This is a thing, though:

VOTE: Mastin

Take a little trip with me.

vomit

[pieguyn]

muffina is town!

explain

[sangres]

No, YOU need to give me one of your patented walls'o'text telling me what the baseline for dantown and danscum entry posts is; and how specifically this matches the town baseline more. This is a team game, not a "stroke mastin's inflated ego" game.

It feels like Walking Dead and that one New York game, not Pinkmin?

Like. That's what I've got. That it felt like his more casual scumhunting self, not his scum self.

Didn't play pikmin, but I agree that it feels a little like Walking Dead. It's not enough for me to call it a read, though.

[Cephrir]

If you think the wagon is scummy, why do you dislike me for not jumping on it?

Because of the way you didn't jump on it. Like I said--two, maybe three scum on it. Not all the scum. They'd want to avoid that.

What about that post makes you think completely precludes them from both being town? o.o
The Kaze-town MS-scum possibility from that post makes especially little sense to me.

Nothing. Just my general analysis. Kaze looks sorta scummy, MS looks sorta scummy, so I don't think they're both town. Simple.

That isn't how you presented it. You presented it as "this is not TvT" not as "these people are scummy". Thereby sounding like you were doing more work than you were actually doing.

Literally can't believe you just handwaved my entire post

Clarification: I understand your "townreads". I don't understand why YOU have townreads on ya.

You still...handwaved...an entire wall....you don't get to do that....

There is not nearly enough evidence to support either of these reads

Sure isn't, but that doesn't mean they're not right. BRO's town, Nacho's town; game is a town win.

I just can't process this enough to respond to it in an intelligent and civil manner

That's literally his entire fucking ISO, mastin.

So? It's townish. Not really town, but town enough.

...

PEdit: Wow Ceph looks town.

That post was a whole bundle-load of null, though.

(And, yeah, orc could be scum, but I'm not certain of that.)

Hey Mastin and I's reads are syncing! This is a good sign!

Extremely!

Even though... the above... is a great example of your reads not syncing...

TOWN:
MafiaSSK
Angry Frat BROs
Sangres
zMuffinman

Skullduggery
Kagami

Varsoon
macmollie
Cabd
Brian Skies (fairly interchangeable with Cabd, but overall weaker)

LEANING TOWN:
ActionDan
orcinus_theoriginal

LYNCH POOL:
pieguyn
Aegor (mutually exclusive with Cephrir)
Cephrir (mutually exclusive with Aegor)
Kazekirimaru
Metal Sonic
Flandre Scarlet

NULL:
Venmar

So basically, 7 or so names for scum candidates, maaaaaaaaaaaaybe eight if you bump orcinus down--I need a little over half that. (I'm

guessing

five scum for this game, but it's difficult to be certain if it's four or five.)

I'm otherwise preoccupied, so I'll see if I can analyze the details later.

pie has already responded beautifully to this (honestly 278 is probably the best post in this thread). I know what feeling kinda confident but being pretty sure you will ultimately waver is like. The latter being my constant state of being, and the sum being about as confident as I ever get barring One True Townreads. And that just isn't what you look like here. This sounds certain. Me not being scum with Aegor sounds certain. And you are apparently certain enough about your exact order to have to mention when you have a little quibble with it. What really blows my mind is that you don't seem to understand why anyone thinks this is scummy.

Meanwhile, you have all the strong players / town leaders at the top of your list despite the fact that they have not done anything yet. Even though they'd be the hardest ones to catch if they were scum. It's as though you don't have the capacity for paranoia.

Town, hands-down. It's not an absolute read, but it's a reasonably-strong read all the same.

so you somehow have a "hands-down" town read despite the fact that he's done fuck all so far?

Yep! Join the club with Cephrir, Cabd, and several others chastising me for it. It's there. It exists. I have it. That's the best explanation I can give.

This is literally an admission that you are full of shit, is it not?

Did you /see/ it? There were some pretty scary votes there. It was useful though, I think Muffin is town now. Also, Brian's reaction was pretty odd.

"Odd?" Do tell.

I've never seen such a happy self-vote.

5. Cabd
^Town. I admittedly do not know Cabd that well; I'm not sure I've seen his scumgame and am not intimately familiar with his towngame. But his posting so far just feels like town, and that's good enough for me.

lol It really shouldn't be.

Srsly. I would think you'd at least be peripheraly aware of his reputation, and if you aren't lemme tell you. Don't underestimate Cabd's scum game.

[Metal Sonic]

Oh!

Just realized.

Fuck yeah, this game's a town win.

BRO is town.
Nacho is town.

They never lose.

We win.

I'm also feeling great this game, which helps. I feel like the town players here are already in the process of synching up, just like last Xeno game, and that the scum are trapped on the outside for the most part. I generally don't feel like instantly flipping the switch, but this game is going so damn awesomely that I kinda sorta feel like I almost could flip it right here and now and be that pseudo-scumhunting-god.

This is such a scummy [EXPLETIVE] post i mean like wow

are you giving us that silly dichotomy and immediately quickreading bro & nacho? then you gonna let them live till lylo if it happens? yo have you forgotten xeno 1 with me & bro & nacho (even though that was partially my fault yea) and because bro and nacho thought each other so town i had to be kicked instead ? and you still dare to pull this sort of early crap gut reads are you serious? no you arent

and then later your reads are so unsubstantiated its not even funny, actiondan 1 post -> calls him town, others with longer more content posts(in scarlet's case) call them null

1. ActionDan
^Nullish-town. Need more from Danny boy, but his posting thusfar sorta seems town.

7. Flandre Scarlet
^Nullish-scum.

13. Metal Sonic
^Nullish-scum. Not liking his posting so far.

14. orcinus_theoriginal
^Nullish-town. Could be scum, but the claim makes me lean slightly towards town.

do you seriously expect people to buy that

VOTE: mastin

this vote is serious

[Metal Sonic]

Mastin, when you attempt to turn in your AP Calc homework with just answers and no work shown, don't be fucking surprised when everyone thinks you cheated and already had the answer sheet.

this post is so town and is getting lots of townpoints from me

[zMuffinMan]

Ok. Go on?

:/ if you don't know what to look for, then you don't know what to look for

where's nacho and what has he said?

[zMuffinMan]

when I finish running mastin into the ground you're next

heh

you really have no idea how to impersonate your town self

[MafiaSSK]

I am so not understanding all of the mastin hate. Could someone explain?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hey guys MS and kaze and i are gonna be inthread mason buddies from now on ty

[orcinus_theoriginal]

who the hell are you

VOTE: brian

I don't like orc's vote here. It was a terrible L-1 vote that he should have been aware of.

PEdit: Wow Ceph looks town.

talk to me about why my l-1 vote was terrible

and tell me about how i wasn't aware that it was l-1 (well actually i thought it was l-2, but yes I knew that brian had a lot of votes on him)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Because I'm feeling hella MOTIVATED this game, and I intend to get an early run at townblock creation.

And let's be honest, motivated-me is a very rare beast lately.

i'm almost tempted to scumread you for it.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I swear to fucking god

stop bringing up 165 nothing good will come of it

.

Light lean town on sangres for interaction w/ cabd

[Cephrir]

orc, it's page 12 and you aren't town yet. Hurry up.

[sangres]

Ok. Go on?

:/ if you don't know what to look for, then you don't know what to look for

Could you be a little less cryptic?

where's nacho and what has he said?

He hasn't been around since page 2. When he's back, we'll synch. Until then you have to put up with me.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

orc, it's page 12 and you aren't town yet. Hurry up.

uh

fuck you?

[Kazekirimaru]

I am so not understanding all of the mastin hate. Could someone explain?

He's saying stuff for no reason and when pressed for reason gives more no reason.

Ahem.

But I must admit...this feels off. Mastin is supposedly one of the most experienced players around. To be felled by such a thing as this? I don't know. I'd expect scum-Mastin to have more chops than that.

Not to mention one would expect scum to contrive reasoning when pressured. Mastin is literally saying "It is because it feels that way and that's all I got." Not even an ounce of fuck-giving. Would scum be so brash as to just put down reads with no reasoning and not even bother to explain? Even when pressured? It wouldn't be the first time I've seen scum just take the "I don't care" route, but I'm not sure it would come from Mastin.

I've got a serious case of the Thisfeelstooeasys.

Someone help.

[sangres]

I am so not understanding all of the mastin hate. Could someone explain?

He's saying stuff for no reason and when pressed for reason gives more no reason.

Ahem.

But I must admit...this feels off. Mastin is supposedly one of the most experienced players around. To be felled by such a thing as this? I don't know. I'd expect scum-Mastin to have more chops than that.

Not to mention one would expect scum to contrive reasoning when pressured. Mastin is literally saying "It is because it feels that way and that's all I got." Not even an ounce of fuck-giving. Would scum be so brash as to just put down reads with no reasoning and not even bother to explain? Even when pressured? It wouldn't be the first time I've seen scum just take the "I don't care" route, but I'm not sure it would come from Mastin.

I've got a serious case of the Thisfeelstooeasys.

Someone help.

FINALLY <3