Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.7

AbboTT (L-4):

ika

RobW (L-3):

Nachomamma8 | RayFrost

ika (L-4):

Rob W

bjc (L-1):

Lynch Me Bro | emeraldemon | TierShift | AbboTT

emeraldemon (:-4):

bjc

Not Voting:

None

The deadline is in Feburary 3, 5:00 PM EST.
Deadline counter: (expired on 2014-02-03 17:00:00)

[bjc]

Great participation today guys. We're really making progress.

[ika]

Great participation today guys. We're really making progress.

would it make you haippier if i just hammered you now so we have stuff to do dommorow? i want nach to come on and give me his list so we can do the activity

mod could you prod nacho or alert him?

ive noticed hes been elsewhere on site and am unsure if hes aware of this one still

[GuyInFreezer]

mod could you prod nacho or alert him?

He's not in the prod range yet.

[ika]

mod could you prod nacho or alert him?

He's not in the prod range yet.

:/

if he doesnt come on in next few hours i will have to do it w/o his list.

[bjc]

Great participation today guys. We're really making progress.

would it make you haippier if i just hammered you now so we have stuff to do dommorow? i want nach to come on and give me his list so we can do the activity

Why so hostile towards someone you list as null whilst listing others as scum?

That just makes a ton of sense.

Still waiting on emeraldemon to make an appearance.

[ika]

Great participation today guys. We're really making progress.

would it make you haippier if i just hammered you now so we have stuff to do dommorow? i want nach to come on and give me his list so we can do the activity

Why so hostile towards someone you list as null whilst listing others as scum?

That just makes a ton of sense.

Still waiting on emeraldemon to make an appearance.

becasue the posts you have been making recently have not been helpful and are becoming increasinly unhelpful and to a point of anti-town to me.

you want contens, you make it. post something say something. quote a random post and make a comment. thats how you start things when its dead. you need to learn to generate contnets.

i want to find scums as much as the next person and i love being a town leader type person, but in this kind of setting im trying to hold it back becasuse it can sometimes backfire on me greatly, im also wanting to learn myself

[ika]

i mean if you want to make contenets, look at your wagon and see whos voting you. point out why its bad, point out whos the scum on your wagon and why

[Wagon Me Pal]

Great participation today guys. We're really making progress.

would it make you haippier if i just hammered you now so we have stuff to do dommorow? i want nach to come on and give me his list so we can do the activity

Why so hostile towards someone you list as null whilst listing others as scum?

That just makes a ton of sense.

Still waiting on emeraldemon to make an appearance.

Just because someone null reads you, doesn't mean your totally scum-proof to him/her. About to be lynched here bcj, any last words/defenses?

[ika]

Just because someone null reads you, doesn't mean your totally scum-proof to him/her. About to be lynched here bcj, any last words/defenses?

you know hes been sitting at l-1 for a while now right and your vote is on him? are you expecting a hammer anytime soon or what?

[TierShift]

My first list was legitimate but then I needed to have 3 scumreads for some reason so after putting rob and nacho down with bjc it wasn't

not sure if you just scum, or just noob.

you understand the flaw with just one scum read right?

So I should invent scumreads? That makes no sense.

[Nachomamma8]

TOWN:
Ika
Abbott
Ray
LMB

LEAN TOWN:
TierShift
Bjc

LEAN SCUM:
Emerald

SCUM:
Rob

Will post more substantial content tomorrow.

[bjc]

Yo ika I'm waiting on Emeraldemon to respond.

[bjc]

Check out this interaction:

#29 I ask bjc about his vote
#30 ika: "Why do you care?"
#31 ika: "nacho and bjc are probable towns"
#37 I vote ika
#38 bjc: "WTF is this? vote emeraldemon"
#42 ika: (about bjc) "he also already justified his reasoning. he sparked discussion. we are now following up on it."

Are these guys best friends or what?

Also
#41 "Who are you addressing here?" How is it unclear? The post came directly after yours and is talking about what you are talking about. It is directed to you.
#42 ika agrees with bjc some more "this i would like to hear as well. it is surprisingly vauge" even though it wasn't vague at all.
#52 ika: "Right now in early stage i find that votes are nothing more then conversation pieces" Followed by some utterly generic questions.

Sorry, I'm trying not to tunnel here, but you two look like scum buddies to me.

@nacho
What makes you think these guys are town?

Seriously this is some hardcore Information instead of Analysis. Just saying.

Hey so you wanted to see my town game right? Let's do this thing

So one thing makes me hesitate about bjc / ika scumteam: 16 it would surprise me a little for a scum to draw attention to a partner like this in the first post.

Other than that though, pretty much everything from them has felt scumteam.

The only other person who's posted anything is Abbott, but unfortunately it's all pretty null. Need more stuff from everyone.

More IIoA, speculation, and general avoiding doing any real scumhunting. Beating around the bush, that kind of stuff.

Lots of stuff I missed, trying to sort through it all now. But first things first

@ika:

52 "As you play more games, you will understand"
62 "i may not be ic here or se, but i do have a fair amount of experience from my home site i would say."
87 "i am quite expeinced and want to help the new players"
113 "its odd playing a newbie game, i feel like im reading all the noobs as scums becasue they are noobs."
152 "im not a newbie and have plenty of experince playing."

Stop. Telling me you are super experienced mafia veteran will not convince me of anything. It's probably not scummy, unless you are trying to use it to get others to sheep you, but it's definitely not making me trust you more. Honestly it just makes you sound insecure.

Not technically IIoA, but nothing that exactly adds to the game, as most of his posts fit this description.

The thing about ika comes down to this: is the carelessness a town tell? Moving votes around, semi-random reads thrown about. It doesn't feel careful the way you might expect scum to be careful. But maybe he's just looking for a lynch to get behind without putting too much effort in. No honest scumhunting feel either. Maybe too glib?
@nacho
I didn't see any finished games from ika on this site. Do you know his meta from somewhere else?

bjc's vote and explanation in 104 is weaksauce on waffles. Also his trajectory on ika rings false to me: in 60 he says he's wary (after I accuse him of buddying), 84 says "I can't say he's confirmed townie" which means nothing. In 108 answering ika's question about strongest townread he says "Ugh, probably ika. lol." Where is this coming from?

I dunno, but for now it's enough to
VOTE: bjc

@RayFrost
I'd like to hear your opinion about bjc please.

So now we get some information for the town, essentially doing what I'm accused of by AbboTT with the whole "here's some info, leave me alone." Here's his case on me:
-weaksauce on waffles
-his trajectory on ika rings false to me aka he could be wrong, oh and bjc makes two statements in different posts that both essentially mean the same thing.

Sorry for being gone so long, signing up for three games simultaneously was a mistake but I'm still going to try to win this thing.

I know this isn't the most useful, but here's what I was thinking as I caught up:

176: I don't like the way ika just throws shit around. Bleh... could be town though

182: "I have had a bad expeince with ppl makign cases and have them flipping towns and then follow them again." I can deal with the terrible spelling and grammar (although I wish I didn't have to), but I have no fucking idea what you're trying to say here.

193: this sounds a lot like the case I made earlier, except with quote walls.

225 & 227: I agree, except about ika.

246: So saying anything with confidence is a scumtell?

256:

Hard to put my finger on, but bjc sounds so submissive all the time, feels bad to me.

257: "if i die due to nk. Plz look into nacho/teirshift as scums" wtf is this? Why would anyone nk you? Don't like.

282: Whaaat? No.

355: Abbott never quite makes my radar ping either way. Everything he does seems reasonable, but kinda bland or something.

376: "if i end up dying" This again. Someone who knows what's up, is constantly saying you'll get night-killed a scum tell? Cause I'm thinking it is.

386: Oh man, I went from town vibes to scum partner. That's what I get for being AFK I guess.


UP TO DATE READS

TOWN
Nachomamma - I agree with almost every post from him that isn't about ika
lynch me bro - newbtown all the way
RayFrost - I like your ability to write in complete paragraphs
Abbott - null still
tiershift - aggressively townreading me, not sure if this is a test
ika - badfeels
bjc - probably scum
Rob W - The real test will be if we get him to L-1
SCUM

bjc and Rob are tied for last, I am fine with lynching either. I will put some more thoughtful posts together in a bit.

This is an all-around subpar post IMO. He has yet to really dive into why anyone is scum in any of his posts. They're ALL essentially avoiding getting a lot of attention. This is the best day one candidate by far.


This is my content on why I think ED is a good candidate, even better than robW.

[bjc]

Those are all of his posts with "content." Everything else is fluff.

So, ED, you have some explaining to do.

[TierShift]

IIoA isn't what you think it is. He's making comments about how these players are scumbuddies, which is analysis.

His lack of posting anything half-decent of late is concerning, however, but not necessarily alignment-indicative.

[bjc]

Okay. Maybe I should correct it to Information with very very little Analysis. I will from now on use IwvvlA.

[TierShift]

not a scumtell.

[bjc]

I view his play as scummy. So there's that.

[emeraldemon]

I am here and building a big post about bjc now. In the meantime I wanted to answer ika real quick.

386: Oh man, I went from town vibes to scum partner. That's what I get for being AFK I guess.

Im slightly confused what you mean by that elaborate please?

In 227 Nacho said "I kind of like emerald but nothing too definitive", but by 386 he says "emerald wagon (funny, because that's who I think is his scum partner)". AFK = Away From Keyboard. That's all, just an offhand remark.

Regarding typos and such: I have to accept that some of the things I don't like about your posts are completely superficial and not scum-aligned. I will try to keep this in mind, but reading posts with misspellings still pains me.

[ika]

thnks for clarifying, could you also do the activity when you are done

3 people must be pegged as scum no more no less
at least 1 person must be pegged as town
the rest can any flavor or read
you must not give any reasoning for you reads.
you are not to question any of the reads anyone gives untill a fair amount of people give them (lets make it like 6-7 ppl)
ic/se must be part of this

[emeraldemon]

VOTE: Rob W

@bjc
1) Could you summarize your read on Abbott for me? Why do you think he is scum?

2) In the early game your votes seemed to go wherever other people voted, in particular you followed ika's vote multiple times. What was your thinking during that phase? What do you think about ika now?

[emeraldemon]

@ika why do you want exactly three scum reads? Sounds like an artificial line.

[bjc]

VOTE: Rob W

@bjc
1) Could you summarize your read on Abbott for me? Why do you think he is scum?

2) In the early game your votes seemed to go wherever other people voted, in particular you followed ika's vote multiple times. What was your thinking during that phase? What do you think about ika now?

1) AbboTT and Robw should be a little distanced from you; Robw is just worthy lynching for reasons I made out earlier. AbboTT has done a lot of what you have done but to a lesser degree and I'm less certain about him being scum than I am of you being scum.

2) My thinking about that has been laid out before. Basically, if the guy doesn't scream townie I'm gonna vote. Why not? Wagons errwhere all day for me. Now we're getting to a part of the game where that basically comes to an end. I still think ika's town.


By the way, what happened to the big post about/on me? Also, why have you moved your vote?

[ika]

@ika why do you want exactly three scum reads? Sounds like an artificial line.

its an activity. just bear with it.