Mini 1537: ATTACK ON TITAN (Game Over!)

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

This be Jesus's scum game. That is all ye need to know.

I could describe some differences in the way he responds to other pirates and the way he approaches his reads, or I could point to his read progression on our cabin boy, Bert, and show you why he's playing a survival game rather than trying to figure out who is scum, but I be too lazy.

I be more interested in why ye think he's not scum.

[Paschendale]

Pasch,

1. How many scum do you think were on plum's wagon?
2. Why did you know your neighborize had failed prior to bert saying it did?
3. Why did you assume your shot was consumed by the roleblock?

1. I don't know. My top two suspects were on my wagon. The people on that wagon seem to keep dying, though. I don't have any evidence to suggest any specific number. I doubt all the scum were on it, but only because scum usually don't all pile onto one wagon.
2. Because I didn't get a PM with a QT in it.
3. Because that's how roleblocks work.

You really don't do anything besides harp on the setup, do you? And what's with this "why do you believe" nonsense? I read the damn rules.

This be Jesus's scum game. That is all ye need to know.

Right. Compelling.

I could describe some differences in the way he responds to other pirates and the way he approaches his reads, or I could point to his read progression on our cabin boy, Bert, and show you why he's playing a survival game rather than trying to figure out who is scum, but I be too lazy.

And you wonder why I feel like I'm being jerked around in this game. Everyone's voting based on meta reads from games that I wasn't in, and gut feelings that I don't share, and reads that they won't explain.

I be more interested in why ye think he's not scum.

I could describe it, but that's apparently not what we do. I actually do think he is, but I think that most of the players in this game are acting pretty scummy. You are certainly no exception. I'm sick and tired of being talked down to in this game. I'm sick of the condescension from Kagami, I'm sick of no one answering my questions, I'm sick of no one explaining their reads, and I'm sick of all the stupid pirate talk.

If anyone of you actually want to engage with me, please do. Otherwise, keep your crap to yourself.

[BROseidon]

Bro, what do you think about the night kill?

We should check what his latest reads were and work from there. Yeah, it's WIFOM territory, but that doesn't mean we can't use it to gauge narrative.

[BROseidon]

To kill pie implies that they believed a bro kill wouldn't go through (because you'd block it), which they wouldn't be worried about if the had a roleblocker.

You're forgetting the part where everyone has 1-shot commutes.

Or at least I do

[BROseidon]

This be Jesus's scum game. That is all ye need to know.

I could describe some differences in the way he responds to other pirates and the way he approaches his reads, or I could point to his read progression on our cabin boy, Bert, and show you why he's playing a survival game rather than trying to figure out who is scum, but I be too lazy.

I be more interested in why ye think he's not scum.

This schtick still annoys the fuck out of me.

[BROseidon]

mastin is scum bc {BRO, Tammy, me, Kagami, kthx} are all town and [Paschendale] and muffinati are probably town

my current guess for scumteam is {Kaze, mastin, Bert}. I'm inclined to agree with Tammy's read on Bert but I also agree it's better to not lynch him today. if it's not him it's probably Brian instead

This was pie's last read list. He was also pushing mastin harder than Bert yesterday. Question is whether Pie was killed b/c he was onto scum (which would mean 2/3 or 3/3 of Kaze, mastin, and Brian are scum), or if he was killed to solidify town reads (in which case 2-3 scum would be in his town block).

Gonna sit on this a bit. I have hw to finish anyways b/c fuck waiting until the night before they're due to do assignments.

[pitoli]

VC 3.1

mastin2 (3) - Tammy, Kazekirimaru, Rancid Broderick Drake
kazekirimaru (2) - mastin2, Paschendale

Not Voting: Kagami, Brian Skies, BROseidon, kthxbye

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[Kazekirimaru]

You really don't do anything besides harp on the setup, do you? And what's with this "why do you believe" nonsense? I read the damn rules

Serious discredit detected.

[Kthxbye]

RBD: What's the word man...err...Capt man? You not wanting to say anything? My vote's a-waitin on ye Sir...Captain...Sir....

[Brian Skies]

Don't have time to read this right now.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

Everyone's voting based on meta reads from games that I wasn't in, and gut feelings that I don't share, and reads that they won't explain.

So?

Ye also be ignoring the part that had nothing to do with any of that (his read progression on me cabin boy, Bert). Just because I'm too lazy to talk about it, doesn't mean ye can't ctrl+F "Bert" in Jesus's captain's log and see for yerself.

This schtick still annoys the fuck out of me

Aaaaaaaaargh.

There be no need to curse like a sailor, Cap'n BRO.

We be friendly pirates, here. Join me crew and take down our common enemy, the Navy scum.

This was pie's last read list. He was also pushing mastin harder than Bert yesterday. Question is whether Pie was killed b/c he was onto scum (which would mean 2/3 or 3/3 of Kaze, mastin, and Brian are scum), or if he was killed to solidify town reads (in which case 2-3 scum would be in his town block).

Why do ye believe pie was killed for his reads, over something like him being a consensus town read that was virtually impossible to lynch?

[Kagami]

Don't have time to read this right now.

-________________-

[Kagami]

RBD: What's the word man...err...Capt man? You not wanting to say anything? My vote's a-waitin on ye Sir...Captain...Sir....

Ability remains super secret?

[Kagami]

@pasch

The plum wagon alone is a good reason to vote mastin, even if you don't believe what everyone else says. From your perspective, unless you think bro+kthx are scum, if there were 2 scum on the wagon, they are brian and mastin. If there is 1, then it's brian or mastin. I don't have much good to say about brian, but mastin's entry into this game was terrible. His "reads" list, though he professed to not have read the thread, consisted of "This guy is town, I totally know it, trust me" over and over. On top of that, F-16 slot was bizarrely aloof to the weak discussion despite his claim of having the same role as me (which is another reason I have for thinking he's scum, I don't think there would be one vanilla, but two weak humans).

And yes, I've read the rules too. The game-specific rules say nothing about the handling of role-blocks. The wiki, however, says that:

1) it is terrible form for mods to not report a failed result back to players when they would otherwise receive confirmation that their ability worked, because the player might think that the mod simply forgot to send them the PM.
2) "Considering the case where a Roleblocker targets someone using an X-Shot ability, it is not standardized whether one of the player's "shots" is charged for that Night even though it was blocked. When using X-Shot roles, it is important to decide what your stance on this is before the game begins."

So I'm understandably suspicious about your confidence that the rules are what you believe them to be without pitoli having directly confirmed your beliefs.

[Kagami]

Oh, 2004 is a slip. The prior post was a waste of time. Pasch is scum with mastin.

[Kagami]

VOTE: mastin

[mastin2]

For the record: treat any L-2 on a player other than Kaze as if it were L-1. Oh, heck, treat L-2 on Kaze as if it were L-1 anyway in case he self-hammers as scum.

Titans for the scum-team is the obvious contrast with "Human," but the flavor for both nightkills suggest the killers are not titans.

Nah, just me misremembering the wincon. I coulda sworn that it was "eliminate all titans" or something like that, akin to "eliminate all mafia", but I checked; it's just 'threats to the humans'.

Yaar we be 90% on Kaze/mastin.

VOTE: Mastin

Paschedale is next on me list o' traitors, perhaps more than Kaze if Mastin flips scum.

Then help me lynch Kaze, dammit.

By the way. I'm reasonably certain that pie would be townreading me today if he were still alive.

This be Jesus's scum game. That is all ye need to know.

I could describe some differences in the way he responds to other pirates and the way he approaches his reads, or I could point to his read progression on our cabin boy, Bert, and show you why he's playing a survival game rather than trying to figure out who is scum, but I be too lazy.

Jesus can't be scum. He's a savior, not a layer of dirt on a froth of liquid.

But no, I've been trying to figure out who the scum are literally from the moment I entered into the game, and my posts have had zero effort to save myself in them. (Okay, not quite true. Effort to lynch scum instead of mislynch me.)

This was pie's last read list. He was also pushing mastin harder than Bert yesterday. Question is whether Pie was killed b/c he was onto scum (which would mean 2/3 or 3/3 of Kaze, mastin, and Brian are scum), or if he was killed to solidify town reads (in which case 2-3 scum would be in his town block).

It's two--Kaze and Brian. Like I said. If pie were alive today, I'm decently certain he'd be townreading me. He was killed before he got the chance to change that read.

[Kazekirimaru]

It's two--Kaze and Brian. Like I said. If pie were alive today, I'm decently certain he'd be townreading me. He was killed before he got the chance to change that read.

I love how you're trying to push the idea that pie was killed because he would have helped you out today.

I'm guessing that's exactly what you were trying to make it look like when you nightkilled him, huh?

[Kazekirimaru]

You know, I haven't used my Maneuver gear yet.

Shame you folks didn't think to shoot me. You really should have, since you'll never get me mislynched.

[Kagami]

Who do you think the scumteam is, kaze?

[Kagami]

I'm thinking your neighborhood might actually be clean.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm starting to think so, too. In the neighborhood chat, Muffin continuously promised me that if he got killed he'd vengekill me with no hesitation. I suppose he could have been posturing for Tammy, but I feel like if he were saying that to get noticed he'd say it in the game thread. It's making me reconsider my scumread on him.

So, as far as my scumreads go, Mastin is my only strong one.

[Kazekirimaru]

If I had to pick another, Pasch has never stopped feeling scummy to me and never really got "worked out" as far as those issues went.

Plus the way he commented today that his 1-shot neighbourize was "used up" instead of failed is making me cringe.

[Kazekirimaru]

If I had to pick another, Pasch has never stopped feeling scummy to me and never really got "worked out" as far as those issues went.

Plus the way he commented today that his 1-shot neighbourize was "used up" instead of failed is making me cringe.

[BROseidon]

I asked the mod about whether role blocks consume shots, and she said that they do. Pasch's neighborize failure checks out if there's a scum RB.