Open 541 - Too Many Heads Mafia (Game Over)

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

Aaaargh

#1624 be a town post

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

GP, what do you know about my meta? What is 'town mhork' supposed to look like?

Anyway PA and I get to talking and she came in full force talking about how she really thinks that PFR is solidly scum. She wrote me up a nice big case and after arguing for a bit, I have to say that I get where she's coming from.

First of all she comments on their shitty hammer. A) There's not confusion about who hammered. It was guyett. They already said that. B) She says that town would be more concerned after doing something like that. She thinks that after your antics got the best town PR derp lynched, a person would tend to cool down and try to contribute more and make up for it. She says town would try to maximize scumhunting and prove their worth. While I think that's a little idealistic, she raises a good point. Town should care more than they are.

Then she gave a little more meat to her argument. She did not like the entry from PFR coming in here. She didn't like the throwaway reference to the modkills, the scum team that popped up with no reasoning (SG, Athena, and GP), or the fact that they just voted the easiest target. Also they immediately followed with trying to get a mass claim, a phrase which here means 'out the last PR.' Town might naturally be worried about losing the PR, but it's silly to act like we're just going to random speedlynch someone, especially after all these flips.

I felt like the tow claim thing could easily just be town accidentally being stupid with a suboptimal move, but PA thought that they're all way too good of players to make a dumb move like that. She thinks it was really scummy and like they were preying on the town. In addition she hates how much they had to be prodded to do anything useful, and how they're trying to blame GP for the nacho lynch.

Also 1438 is shitty. Saying that Athena needs death for questioning the hammer is bad since I don't even know why that lolhammer happened.

Also, one of the bigger points, they had 260 posts yesterday. Today? 15 or so. Where did they go? They've just faded off the radar, especially now that RBD has decided to step up and start spearheading things. It's sketch.

So with that, I'm comfortable
VOTE: PFR

I'm tired. I'll try to do more tonight, but I plan on going to bed early tonight.

~Mhork

about our activity AP has been V/La, I've been very busy in college and have lost some interest here and ETL is taking a break from the game for a while because Mollie

I'm just dropping by but I'll try address some points.

Mass claim is optimal play today. If we mislynch it is LYLO tomorrow ffs. Why leave until LYLO to set up a 1V1 for a counter claim from scum?
Faith healer isn't guaranteed to protect anyone over night too as there's a 50-50 chance the save fails. So odds are we'll lose someone to the mafia kill anyway tonight either way if the FH comes forward or not. It is optimal town play here and you're having a laugh if you're trying to say its scummy play.

what throwaway reference to modkills?

Ap had built the case on those 3 players... they didn't pop up out of no-where.

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

We can discuss at endgame why a claim now is optimal ok
~G

[Generically Purple]

Mara appears to have messed with our settings so I'm not understanding how to work this format.

But I haven't really been overly wowed by the game so far anyway.

Si and am still alive? Their scum buddies clearly are steering this game. Shame.

So we are mass claiming now ? Lol, desperation or scum wanting a shopping list for the night? Your MVP has been the mod so I wouldn't worry too much. Three town dead in one night phase? My motivation for any of this was low even before that but it killed what spirit I had. Punish the town because individuals can't even avoid breaking the most FUNDAMENTAL rule of mafia.

Squirrel girl I think is scum now, the posting feels like someone trying to play innocent and naive but the revelation from Athena's fury suggests they are coasting on a lie.

Mara is adamant Athena's fury are town and I will back her even though I have a gut feel for them as scum. Mara has put effort in to this for our team so she calls the shots on reads as far as I'm concerned so Athena's fury what are your current thoughts on suspects?

Concise please, I'm a lazy head.

[Generically Purple]

^^^

Generic

[Athenas Fury]

OMG one thing RBD and I agree on.

excuse me while I go collapse on the floor.

[Athenas Fury]

I'm the princess of Waffletown not the princess of perfection incase that was a reference to me. I'm sure Princess Perfection would hate being mixed up with Princess Waffles. Just a guess.

Also PFR, ETL started taking a break from mafiascum just a couple days ago due to mollie. That hasn't kept her from keeping up in the games she's already in. So while I sympathisize, it's not an excuse for your entire hydra disappearing from the game.

[Athenas Fury]

Also Generic obviously has no clue how to read me and I'll just laugh at his earlier accusation about me being scum due to AtE but the only thing I can do is laugh about that right now.

Also, if you're actually reading me, I gave my thoughts on everyone last night including telling Mara my thoughts on the people she asked me about a few days ago.

Also, Stuffed Crusts' vote on us is >_>

[Athenas Fury]

Excuse me while I have a smug moment and point out why the rancid pirates are probably the most self important hypocritical scummy ass players in this game.

I just took a look at the player list and lookie who I found? OH geese that might be yygadra union who is guess where on the hypocritical rancid players reads list? IN THEIR TOP TOWN LIST. I'd direct you to what they've done recently but I'm not going to insult anyone in this game by saying it's something ground breaking, but I'll give you a hint. They haven't been here. So, just like Stuffed Crust, who've claimed scum recently so thanks for that, and pfr they've been completely absent.

But, what does the rancid players want to peddle? Oh that's right I'm not scum hunting the way they do which is pathetic considering how little respect one head has for me. But BUt BUT what's the expectations for these other non-existent players? Okay I'll give them the vote on Stuffed Crust. But the others? Oh gosh they're town for NOT DOING ANYTHING.

Just so anyone, if you're not aware, this is selective scum hunting at its finest. One person is shit for being busy for a couple days, but posting when they had the chance to post and made this game a priority the moment I had a chance. BUT BUT other people? Not posting. Not doing anything. Getting upset that people are asking them questions. And you know what the rancid pirates do? They are in their strong town list. The other one? Doesn't do anything at all. Posts questions about a modkill. The heads are active on site. They don't post here. What do the rancid pirates do? Put them in their strong town list.

They are scum. And anyone who thinks their bed of lies holier than though pirate speaking brow beating anything is town is a fucking fool. And I'll tell you I told you so after game.

All three of the above can't be scum together, but there is scum in there. And rancid pirates are faking their reads to lead you all astray.

[Kid A]

mastin2 replaces Yggdra Union

[mastin2]

Indeed I do, but I probably won't be doing much posting for a small bit, since it's possible I have a hydra partner. Need to ask them, though, and get mod approval if they say yes.

[Generically Purple]

HAY THAR MASTIN, YOU REPLACES INTOCA SCUM SLOT, HOWS IT FEEL MATE

[Stuffed Crust]

The Athena/Broderick back and forth is promising to me.
So I want to sit on one end of it.
So I'll choose the unpopular one.
E-z-p-z

-V

[Squirrel Girl]

Squirrel girl I think is scum now, the posting feels like someone trying to play innocent and naive but the revelation from Athena's fury suggests they are coasting on a lie.

What revelation and what lie? Her last comment on my was nullish to town that I recall, and I don't recollect any shocking revelations about my play either.

The Athena/Broderick back and forth is promising to me.
So I want to sit on one end of it.
So I'll choose the unpopular one.
E-z-p-z

-V

And...that encapsulates your scum read on Athena? You don't think the slot looks scummy or anything, just 'easy'?

[mastin2]

HAY THAR MASTIN, YOU REPLACES INTOCA SCUM SLOT, HOWS IT FEEL MATE

It's awesome. I've got [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] as my scumbuddies, and they're totally awesome. Then again, I'm up against [REDACTED], [REDACTED], [REDACTED], [REDACTED], and [REDACTED], which makes the game much harder, but eh, it's part of the fun.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

Welcome aboard, Jesus.

I know ye can walk on water, but yer free to take a rest on me ship.

[Mhork and Mindy]

So mastin2/future mastin2-hydra, in discussing reads with Mhork last night it turns out you're replacing into my only completely null read. Change that sooner rather than later, since about the only thing I agree with PFR on right now is that we are within a mislynch of XyLo. More specifically, I'd like your take on PFR, Athenas Fury, Stuffed Crust, and Squirrel Girl in descending order of priority. I mean, I could just wait and see if you try to mislynch me, but your reads on those players would be more generally useful.

As far as PFR goes, I do agree that a faith healer claim

may

be optimal today. What I don't like is the emphasis they're putting on it. Presumably the faith healer knows what kind of position they're in as far as overall perception is concerned.

You say your hydra posted cases on {SG, Athena, GP}. You spent a lot of time questioning the town-SG reads of others without presenting a scum case, you blame Athena for not liking your hammer, and we had to pry your GP case out of you. None of this adds up to the aggressive town play I'd expect from your hydra members.

The throwaway modkill references were in 1385 and 1420. Both of them bugged me on a low level, with the former reading as a reach for town cred.

RBD, what are you seeing in SC? I don't disagree per se, just that they're not currently my top scum read.

--PA

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

RBD, what are you seeing in SC?

Aaaaaaargh, I may go over this later this evening, but I be hungry and a feast be waiting.

I'm going to assume ye mean

apart from the obvious

?

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

Anyway, me main reason for thinking they're scum has to do with the way they be posting D1. I don't have _that_ much experience with mac, but I read a fair few of his games while I was playing in Xenogears and he comes across as a bit more opinionated and inquisitive about things as town. As scum, he seems to coast a bit more and get by on as little content as he can. I haven't seen any of his recent scum games to see if this has changed, but I really did not like the way he was posting D1. mollie called him town-mac because he was trying to figure things out; I did not see him trying to figure things out at all. I saw him ask a few questions here and there, but they were rather weak, and it did not look like he was trying to figure out who's scum.

Then the other head of the scoundrel, Varsoon, came along and made a big deal out of not having read his role PM while saying he was about to catch up. One head of Si&Am seemed to think this was a town tell; I be of the exact opposite opinion. I think he was either lying, or he was told they're scum and perhaps was telling the truth about not reading the role PM. Either way, I think mac would have told him their alignment before that point. This felt really out of place.

Also, he never actually caught up. Or did anything.

And now he be sailing by and dropping votes here and there - he be here, but not providing opinions.

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

The throwaway modkill references were in 1385 and 1420. Both of them bugged me on a low level, with the former reading as a reach for town cred.


--PA

Didn't seem to bother you hydra partner here..

As for my thoughts on the game, it's a clusterfuck. Other than that,

I like PFR.

Hammer aside, the aggression towards bazinga reads super obviously town to me. Especially the whole 'don't /in games with me.' I don't see scum saying that, especially when it's because that player has awful reads and is a distraction to the town.
~Mhork

This post came after the apparent throw away remarks.

Did Yggdra's posts in 1455 and 1456 do anything for you?

[Si and Am]

When I was catching up on this game Yggdra didn't seem town to me for many reasons. I'm hoping Mastin sheds some light on me whichever way in determining his alignment.

I'm hoping to get back into this game sooner than later. The meet was hella fun and I got to meet AP and randomly drunk talk to him (<3).

I was talking to Rach. I think we have come to an agreement on another town read. I was hoping I could get PA to talk to me a bit more w/o me having to engage her first so I could figure out her alignment because she's still in the unsure pile because I'm not really seeing Mhork act to the micro we recently played together and PA and I have history together in terms of games/hydras, but I'm not really seeing town PA, but then I'm not seeing scum-PA either?

so yeah Mastin post more soonish please!

Mod: when is the deadline ?

[mastin2]

Damn, they said no. Guess I'll have to tackle this game by myself. (Hope you guys don't take offense at this game not being my top priority at the moment, though. With luck, I can get around to it later tonight, but I do have other obligations.)

So mastin2/future mastin2-hydra, in discussing reads with Mhork last night it turns out you're replacing into my only completely null read. Change that sooner rather than later, since about the only thing I agree with PFR on right now is that we are within a mislynch of XyLo. More specifically, I'd like your take on PFR, Athenas Fury, Stuffed Crust, and Squirrel Girl in descending order of priority. I mean, I could just wait and see if you try to mislynch me, but your reads on those players would be more generally useful.

Do explain why the hell I'm replacing into a null read. I'm guessing there was almost certainly content, so it's not null-off-of-nothing; it'd have to be null-off-of-ambivalence. So elaborate. (I've got nothing on anyone, though; I need to begin a readthrough. This game doesn't seem like the type where I can learn everything by looking at the last and/or first five pages; it seems like the type of game where I basically need to look at everything.)

As far as PFR goes, I do agree that a faith healer claim

may

be optimal today. What I don't like is the emphasis they're putting on it. Presumably the faith healer knows what kind of position they're in as far as overall perception is concerned.

No. The faith healer should only claim today if they are in danger of being lynched. Or threat of being lynched if the game comes to lylo.

When I was catching up on this game Yggdra didn't seem town to me for many reasons. I'm hoping Mastin sheds some light on me whichever way in determining his alignment.

Same for you. Why the hell don't you have a stronger read?

/I'll keep reading new posts as I see them, but don't expect insightful comments on newer posts that rely on older content. Which will, y'know. Basically be all of them. Content as mentioned later.

[mastin2]

Btw, purple and Mhok/Mindy look town, and Si/Am kinda looks like scum. But that's just off of the posting since my replace-in.

[Kid A]

Mod: when is the deadline ?

2nd feb 9pm

[Stuffed Crust]

My activity in this hydra has been appalling.

Pirateman, your meta be stale. See Tales of Abyss for the all new and improved Mac-scum-meta!

I'm also going to make this easy enough for everyone - we are the second faith healer.