Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

ika · Post Post #475 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:20 am

the rest can be null or null-scum just one needs to be town

TierShift · Post Post #476 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:29 am

If you're gonna refer to it some following day to catch scum imma be mad.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #477 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:32 am

VC 1.8

AbboTT (L-4):

ika

RobW (L-2):

Nachomamma8 | RayFrost | emeraldemon

ika (L-4):

Rob W

bjc (L-2):

Lynch Me Bro | TierShift | AbboTT

emeraldemon (:-4):

bjc

Not Voting:

None

The deadline is in Feburary 3, 5:00 PM EST.
Deadline counter: (expired on 2014-02-03 17:00:00)

emeraldemon · Post Post #478 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:35 am

The bjc Story

39: Way back on page 2 I thought ika and bjc were buddying, and his early vote on me was pretty confusing. Looking back it's still hard for me to understand the motivation behind that vote. He tries to explain the vote in 84, but all he can say is "it struck me as something awful", but then clarifies that the substance wasn't awful.

For a while afterwards he seems to just follow around whatever vote is convenient.

86: Tiershift says to vote nacho, so bjc votes nacho.
104: ika unvotes nacho and votes abbott, so bjc unvotes nacho and votes abbott. Multiple people call him out for sheeping.
192: ika votes LMB, so bjc votes LMB. LMB was voting bjc at this time.

I don't think this is good scumhunting, but it's also hard for me to imagine continuing to play this way if ika and bjc are scum partners. Also I could be wrong about this but I think scum tend to be a bit more sticky in their reads, hesitant to put down a solid read, but pushing or tunneling on one person once they've voted. I don't like these votes, but on review I don't think it's a convincing scum case.

Around page 10 bjc's play starts to shift, he moves his vote around less and pushes back on nacho when nacho tries to get bjc to vote Rob W (see 256). On first readthrough I didn't like 256, but it seems OK to me now.

355 Abbott puts bjc at L-1 and you can tell bjc feels the pressure, the tone in 356 and especially 365 is clearly frustrated. I think that's pretty null either way, but there is something townish about 365.

369 I don't really like this, feels like panic, and pushing the next easiest wagon, but it's mitigated by the fact that he leaves his vote on me and doesn't vote Rob here.

388, 435: the fighting between tiershift and bjc doesn't tell me anything. Well, it might tell me something about tiershift, but that's gonna have to be a different ISO.

When I sat down to write this post I intended to write "Why bjc is scum". But I've come away completely unconvinced. I can't call him a townread yet, and I want to see and hear more, but I think my vote was in the wrong place.

@ika
These reads will probably change soon b/c I'm still working on some other things, but so you can finish your "activity":

TOWN
Nachomamma
lynch me bro

RayFrost
bjc
Abbott

ika
tiershift
Rob W
SCUM

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #479 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:44 am

Rob W have been prodded.

Rob W · Post Post #480 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:45 am

Yeah, sorry to let you all down struggling to settle in.

ika · Post Post #481 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:43 pm

VOTE: rob w

im gonna go get the lists and compile it all and show it off i got a lot of shit to do so im gonna try to make it breif

ika · Post Post #482 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:57 pm

Spoiler:

ika · Post Post #483 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:58 pm

mod could you fix the spoiler

im gonna devide this into 2 posts at least

ika · Post Post #484 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:12 pm

towns counts:
ika: 3
bjc: 0
TierShift: 1
Rob W: 0
Lynch Me Bro: 6
emeraldemon 1: 0
RayFrost (SE): 4
AbboTT (SE): 1
Nachomamma8 (IC): 3

nulls:
ika: 2
bjc: 3
TierShift: 4
Rob W: 3
Lynch Me Bro: 2
emeraldemon 1: 3
RayFrost (SE): 3
AbboTT (SE): 3
Nachomamma8 (IC): 1

scum:
ika: 2
bjc: 4
TierShift: 2
Rob W: 5
Lynch Me Bro: 0
emeraldemon 1: 3
RayFrost (SE): 0
AbboTT (SE): 3
Nachomamma8 (IC): 2

ika · Post Post #485 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:19 pm

i might of fucked up somewher ebut im tired and this was a lot more work then expected. top it off with other shit and crap.

so anyway, what i have concluded from this and what we should take from this now that i looked through it is

town and scum agree lmb is town

rob is more likly to flip town due to majority scum reading him, that is unless his partner is planing on bussing him and going solo.

teirshift has the biggest null-scum read and should most likely be the flip becasue of the huge uncertenty and will most likely yeild the most info

UNVOTE:

VOTE: TierShift

ika · Post Post #486 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:20 pm

i also get a feeling the bjc train was a scum directed one due to his high scum-null reads and lacks of intent to hammer. im gonna take a snooze but use this list to make some deuctions on who is town and who is not atm. our best idea is to lynch the null-scums

ika · Post Post #487 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:49 pm

In post 476, TierShift wrote:If you're gonna refer to it some following day to catch scum imma be mad.

i feel like this post should be elaborated on. this screams anti-town to me.

also anyone else think the scum pairing could be a rob/teirshift?

or at least tesir is one of them?

ika · Post Post #488 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:58 pm

as of now im down for teir/rob lynch

teri based off how the activity wend and he has the most null out of it.

rob more becasue his lack of contents atm and his unhelpfulness, although his lynch does feel like its kinda polocy

Wagon Me Pal · Post Post #489 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:02 pm

Guys we are definitely not lynching an inactive over someone who has been scum read a lot. Stop focusing on Rob's inactivity and being oblivious to scum tells.

First choice to lynch would be the person that dropped the most scumtells and second would be policy lynch, scum tells are always first. Bcj is using Rob's inactivity to his advantage and trying escape his lynch.

ika · Post Post #490 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:06 pm

In post 489, Wagon Me Pal wrote:Guys we are definitely not lynching an inactive over someone who has been scum read a lot. Stop focusing on Rob's inactivity and being oblivious to scum tells.

First choice to lynch would be the person that dropped the most scumtells and second would be policy lynch, scum tells are always first. Bcj is using Rob's inactivity to his advantage and trying escape his lynch.

point out his scum-tells

bjc has had a fair share of stupid post, but not really scum-post worthy. im more down for rob atm if nobody is willing to go with teir atm.

ika · Post Post #491 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:09 pm

also did you just completely ignore my list that i compiled?

TierShift · Post Post #492 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:42 pm

In post 476, TierShift wrote:If you're gonna refer to it some following day to catch scum imma be mad.

In post 485, ika wrote:teirshift has the biggest null-scum read and should most likely be the flip becasue of the huge uncertenty and will most likely yeild the most info

UNVOTE:

VOTE: TierShift

This is not how it works. Scumhunting is not something that can be quantified like this.

bjc · Post Post #493 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:24 am

In post 489, Wagon Me Pal wrote:Guys we are definitely not lynching an inactive over someone who has been scum read a lot. Stop focusing on Rob's inactivity and being oblivious to scum tells.

First choice to lynch would be the person that dropped the most scumtells and second would be policy lynch, scum tells are always first. Bcj is using Rob's inactivity to his advantage and trying escape his lynch.

How? I'm not sure I've done what you're claiming here. I think ED is a good lynch candidate still.

TierShift · Post Post #494 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:08 am

In post 430, bjc wrote:If you consider the fact that everyone has the same chance of being scum in a given game, why the hell would you choose the active guy over the inactive guy? ESPECIALLY when it's been posted by others that they're fine with lynching the inactive guy!?

You are using rob's inactivity to try and escape a lynch pretty blatantly.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #495 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:18 am

RayFrost have been prodded.

RayFrost · Post Post #496 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:22 am

Woops. I got the prod, didn't pay attention to time while I was waiting for ika's grannnd post.

I'll content in the next couple of days

ika · Post Post #497 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:24 am

In post 496, RayFrost wrote:Woops. I got the prod, didn't pay attention to time while I was waiting for ika's grannnd post.

I'll content in the next couple of days

its there now.

bjc · Post Post #498 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:35 am

In post 494, TierShift wrote:
In post 430, bjc wrote:If you consider the fact that everyone has the same chance of being scum in a given game, why the hell would you choose the active guy over the inactive guy? ESPECIALLY when it's been posted by others that they're fine with lynching the inactive guy!?
You are using rob's inactivity to try and escape a lynch pretty blatantly.

Because I thought it was a stupid move, herp.

Also because I'm confident one or two on my wagon is/was scum (ED jumped off, so he's not on it any longer).

You seem really disinterested in this game. Tell my why that is, please. You just seem really unwilling to do much of anything.

TierShift · Post Post #499 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:38 am

I make short posts, yes, but that's not because I'm disinterested. I think you're scum, I have stated why and placed my vote. I don't have much to comment right now, if you want me to explain something or want to ask something feel free.