Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[1baldeagle1]

Nacho is not confirmed town.

[1baldeagle1]

Whiskers, what was the point of the vote and unvote in the same post? If you ere planning to unvote him in the same post, what was the point of the vote in the first place? You could have just removed the vote when making the post without going "oh wait, *unvote*"

Nacho, what did you claim again?

I think it's Whiskers, and maybe Nacho.

[shos]

VOTE: whiskers

Willing to 1v1.

[Nachomamma8]

Will check back in after work.

[1baldeagle1]

VOTE: whiskers

Willing to 1v1.

Unvote.

Now.

Scum can hammer and they might have daytalk.

No one fucking votes.

[shos]

I have it confirmed, no need to unvote. hence 'willing to 1v1', remember?

enabling again tonight - what good would that be, if at all? so I bribed again, and I got that scum have a ninja. that ninja flipped already. that means that the Encryptor result and the Neighbourizer result are surely correct, and are probably of two different personas. neighbour scum = whiskers; all the rest are already dead.

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: whiskers

Willing to 1v1.

Unvote.

Now.

Scum can hammer and they might have daytalk.

No one fucking votes.

shos's claim means scum can't have a roleblocker
sooo

[Desperado]

Whiskers/Bald?

[Desperado]

Whiskers/Bald and Shos/Nacho are the only two viable teams

[Whiskers]

I'd be willing to buy Shos/Nacho, maybe, but again, why do you remove yourself from the lynchpool, desp?

@Eagle: Because that's how I do things. Generally I write

forward

, if that makes any sense. I was willing to vote fitz at that point, and then I decided, no, I wanted to unvote him and explain why. I changed my mind mid-post. And there wasn't any problem in doing it, because I was just putting him at L-1 at most, anyway. I'll admit that I was careless, and hadn't read Eagle's vote on fitz. I simply wasn't paying attention, and it was my downfall.

Sort of surprised I haven't been lynched already, I thought we had agreed that I'd be the next to go, assuming fitz flipped town.

Actually, Desp, why do you pair shos with Nacho? What's your reasoning for that?

[Desperado]

I'd be willing to buy Shos/Nacho, maybe, but again, why do you remove yourself from the lynchpool, desp?

Shos can't be scum with you or Bald because role stuff

[shos]

Because role stuff? what does that mean? Why cant i be bussibg whiskers?

Im surprised whiskers didnt countervote me. Why is that?

[shos]

VOTE: whiskers

Willing to 1v1.

Unvote.

Now.

Scum can hammer and they might have daytalk.

No one fucking votes.

shos's claim means scum can't have a roleblocker
sooo

how do you know that?

Whiskers/Bald and Shos/Nacho are the only two viable teams

Why not you/whiskers?

[shos]

I'd be willing to buy Shos/Nacho, maybe, but again, why do you remove yourself from the lynchpool, desp?

@Eagle: Because that's how I do things. Generally I write

forward

, if that makes any sense. I was willing to vote fitz at that point, and then I decided, no, I wanted to unvote him and explain why. I changed my mind mid-post. And there wasn't any problem in doing it, because I was just putting him at L-1 at most, anyway. I'll admit that I was careless, and hadn't read Eagle's vote on fitz. I simply wasn't paying attention, and it was my downfall.

Sort of surprised I haven't been lynched already, I thought we had agreed that I'd be the next to go, assuming fitz flipped town.

Actually, Desp, why do you pair shos with Nacho? What's your reasoning for that?

Did you not get a pedit message? There was a VC AND A VOTE immediately before you. Thats lies.

[shos]

Why are people avoiding the thread? Come on, vote either me or wisdom. We arent lynching anyone else.

[Whiskers]

I'd be willing to buy Shos/Nacho, maybe, but again, why do you remove yourself from the lynchpool, desp?

@Eagle: Because that's how I do things. Generally I write

forward

, if that makes any sense. I was willing to vote fitz at that point, and then I decided, no, I wanted to unvote him and explain why. I changed my mind mid-post. And there wasn't any problem in doing it, because I was just putting him at L-1 at most, anyway. I'll admit that I was careless, and hadn't read Eagle's vote on fitz. I simply wasn't paying attention, and it was my downfall.

Sort of surprised I haven't been lynched already, I thought we had agreed that I'd be the next to go, assuming fitz flipped town.

Actually, Desp, why do you pair shos with Nacho? What's your reasoning for that?

Did you not get a pedit message? There was a VC AND A VOTE immediately before you. Thats lies.

No, eagle had already posted-- I skipped past it to make my own post. Again, it was careless.
Shos, I'm not sure if you're familiar with my play or my personality, but here's why I'm good as scum: I don't lie. Whether I'm town or scum, I'm not going to lie about something I could tell the truth as.
Also, I'll point out, that if I wanted to quickhammer, I wouldn't feel guilty about it, even as town. I'm willing to do scummy things as town, and I also am willing to own up to my mistakes.

As a third point, let me ask you: Why would scum-Whiskers quickhammer town, resulting in her own autolynch the next day? It's not worth it to scum to trade one-for-one, and we are so close to the end of the game. Especially with the townread on me from pretty much everybody-- maybe not Kise, but scum has a roleblocker and kills Kise, as we've seen (because it actually happened in the game)-- why would I do something that would make everybody look at me and go, "WOW, SCUM!" Especially when it could have been avoided?

Look: I'm not saying that you should read me as town after what I did. What I'm saying, is you should believe me when I say, I fucked up, and that vote and unvote was not supposed to be a hammer on Fitz.

Why are people avoiding the thread? Come on, vote either me or wisdom. We arent lynching anyone else.

Other things to do. Sounds like you're actually going to be lynched, but with all the support for your lynch (nacho, at least, and maybe desp), I'm kind of worried you're gonna be town.

Which brings me to,

Im surprised whiskers didnt countervote me. Why is that?

Maybe because that would be scummy as fuck and has the potential to end the game immediately if you're town? And because, despite the fact that you've decided to declare a 1v1, nobody listens to you.

Btw, can I please point out that all it takes to quickhammer someone in Lylo is for both scumteammates to realize and confirm the other one is online, and then to vote? It'd be pretty cool if you unvote me. Of course, if you already

are

one of the scum, I guess a quickhammer isn't possible. But that's sloppy play, if you're scum.

[shos]

Will respond from home. Meet me here in 40 minutes

[shos]

well then I missed the 40-minutes mark but here's something to confort you meanwhile

[shos]

@Eagle: Because that's how I do things. Generally I write

forward

, if that makes any sense. I was willing to vote fitz at that point, and then I decided, no, I wanted to unvote him and explain why. I changed my mind mid-post. And there wasn't any problem in doing it, because

I was just putting him at L-1 at most,

anyway. I'll admit that I was careless, and hadn't read Eagle's vote on fitz. I simply wasn't paying attention, and it was my downfall.

Sort of surprised I haven't been lynched already, I thought we had agreed that I'd be the next to go, assuming fitz flipped town.

Did you not get a pedit message? There was a VC AND A VOTE immediately before you. Thats lies.

No, eagle had already posted-- I skipped past it to make my own post. Again, it was careless.
Shos, I'm not sure if you're familiar with my play or my personality, but here's why I'm good as scum: I don't lie. Whether I'm town or scum, I'm not going to lie about something I could tell the truth as.
Also, I'll point out, that if I wanted to quickhammer, I wouldn't feel guilty about it, even as town. I'm willing to do scummy things as town, and I also am willing to own up to my mistakes.

As a third point, let me ask you: Why would scum-Whiskers quickhammer town, resulting in her own autolynch the next day? It's not worth it to scum to trade one-for-one, and we are so close to the end of the game. Especially with the townread on me from pretty much everybody-- maybe not Kise, but scum has a roleblocker and kills Kise, as we've seen (because it actually happened in the game)-- why would I do something that would make everybody look at me and go, "WOW, SCUM!" Especially when it could have been avoided?

Look: I'm not saying that you should read me as town after what I did. What I'm saying, is you should believe me when I say, I fucked up, and that vote and unvote was not supposed to be a hammer on Fitz.

I bolded the above for you.

You knew, supposedly, that the vote is L-1.

There was a VC stating it was L-2, and then eagle's comment in which he talked DIRECTLY TO YOU, and VOTED, and then you ANSWERED THIS POST AND HAMMERED. if that is in some miraculous way by mistake, that's going to be your worst fuckup as town EVER. have you heard the term lolhammer? well it means if someone by mistake doesn't know it's L-1 and hammers when he doesn't intend to. YOU KNEW.
for reference:

Spoiler: the posts

Votecount 4.01

shos - 1 - Kise (L-3)
havingfitz - 2 - shos, Desperado (L-2)

Not Voting - Nachomamma8, havingfitz, Whiskers, 1baldeagle1

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2014-02-04 22:00:00)

Interesting Fact #44: Kronos castrated his father, Ouranos, using a sickle flint.

@Whiskers, no. YOU CANNOT NOT ASSUME THAT FITZ AND NACHO ARE CONFIRMED TOWN AFTER I FLIP BECAUSE I STILL COULD HAVE BEEN BLOCKED.

VOTE: fitz

Shos's 3429 is pretty good.

@Eagle, no. THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID PAY SOME FUCKING ATTENTION.

Actually, that goes for Kise, too. I'm not saying, "derp, maybe they are still conftown without having been confirmed!"
I'm

saying

, maybe instead of a scum roleblocker, Eagle's role needs to first be

enabled

by shos.

I assume I'll be voting shos tomorrow.

vote: fitz

That's probably L-1.

Actually, you know what?

Unvote.

Does

any

body else, fucking remember how badly shos wanted Eagle to hop on him, and "confirm" him? Now with the super-powerful role that reveals mod-confirmed setup info, saying that "no, scum don't have a roleblocker!"

It looks totally suspicious, alright?

that's pretty funny how you start that post by telling eagle to pay attention. I mean seriously, every single thing one may find in this topic points to you knowing that you are in fact hammering. except, of course, your posts after the hammer.

in regards to your 'points' - you don't lie - that's stupid. of course you lie, you

have to

lie, inventing reads and accusations etc; what is this bullshit? and what is it trying to say? 'oh guys trust me'? if you are scum, you lie. clearly you would say that you didn't intend to do that, because what else can you say? "oh hey guys I hammered intentionally!" -__-

a guilty feeling - can very well be faked. watch "The Best Offer" - cool movie - point is that everything can be faked. "see, in ISO #400 I was sad, if I was really scum, I wouldn't be sad" - this argument is invalid, lol. you keep trying to justify your own quickhammer. if you make a 'mistake' and admit that it was a mistake - are you automatically forgiven? no, that's stupid.

why would you-scum quickhammer? firstly, because it is not resulting in autolynch. if it were, you'd be dead by now - everyone posted. what it results in is a 1v1 of shos vs whiskers, because the one that you hammered was the other neighbourizer, and my role explicitly says that scum have a neighbourizer. a quickhammer alone does not result in an autolynch and you know that - especially not if it's lylo, which it like 99.9% is. all that is, of course, disregarding the incredible WIFOM that you shot at the entire town in regards to believing you or not. that's not trading 1 for 1, that's 2 for 0, and that's 2 lylos town need to win. WE. don't have it confirmed that you're scum. I. have it. not WE. you will claim to be town, ergo, that I am scum lying through my teeth. it's just a 1v1, and in lylo, that's not bad chances for scum. even if town gets it right - there will be a horrible 3p lylo tomorrow. or even worse, mylo. scum have all the reasons to quickhammer like you did.

nobody listens to you.

well fuck you all. I'm not going to unvote. you'll either vote me or whiskers.

this is probably the best time to pull up setup specs and see what's going on.

[shos]

actually. Fitz was going to be lynched anyway. no other person was even a viable lynch. you knew that when fitz dies, supposedly by the plan, you go. so there ya have another reason to quickhammer - prevent discussion, prevent fitz from expressing thoughts, etc.

[Desperado]

actually. Fitz was going to be lynched anyway. no other person was even a viable lynch. you knew that when fitz dies, supposedly by the plan, you go. so there ya have another reason to quickhammer - prevent discussion, prevent fitz from expressing thoughts, etc.

Bingo.

You can't be scum with Whiskers because you've been building to this specific situation for like three days now and it just wouldn't make any sense.
You can't be scum with bald because if you're scum then that means you've been lying about the scum PRs, which means there probably IS a roleblocker, which means bald is town (or else he'd be dead). If you were scum with Bald you would have just said that there is a roleblocker.

So either you're town, which means Whiskers is confscum and Bald is 99% scum, or you're scum with Nacho.

And seriously, aren't we all veterans here? Why the fuck are we asking questions like "Desperado! Why can't it be you and Whiskers, huh?!?!" It's pathetic.

[shos]

oh REALLY des? really? so what you're saying is that it's a 1v1 between me and whiskers? wow! I didn't know that!

/lolsarcasm


All that analysis of yours is really faulty because you're just not considering bussing; and even if it were true, that does not matter, because you need to convince people that you are not scum yourself, and that, we have no proof of, if you're town.

I think that you should be trying to nail scum one by one and not the entire scumteam. At the moment I am telling you, directly, that whiskers is scum. whiskers, in turn, will eventually understand that it is in his favor to call me scum back(lol). so your choice right now is between us. if you lynch correctly, then we need to find his partner, which at this point in my pov can literally be anyone.

[Desperado]

You going to respond to what I said about you and bald and role interactions? It's pretty essential to my whole "It has to be Bald/Whiskers or Nacho/Shos" thing.

[Desperado]

All that analysis of yours is really faulty because you're just not considering bussing; and even if it were true, that does not matter, because you need to convince people that you are not scum yourself, and that, we have no proof of, if you're town.

zzzzzz

Why are you trying to discredit your own 1v1? This is a really weird track for you to take right now.

[shos]

no I'm trying to discredit your result. eagle does not have to be scum if whiskers flips scum.

I don't understand the role interactions you're trying to get here. for example, why can't a nacho-whiskers team be?