Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[Cabd]

I think he'd be super engaged if he were scum.

VBarsoon is sick, IIRC so this tell does not apply ATM.

[sangres]

Although true to orc's thingie, I do want to know why I've been towned so hard?

Are you reading me in some new way I have to reverse-engineer in the future?

If you're town figuring out town-me this quickly is dangerous going forward.

Maybe!

[sangres]

I think he'd be super engaged if he were scum.

VBarsoon is sick, IIRC so this tell does not apply ATM.

I didn't know that. He hasn't mentioned being sick here.

I'll take that under advisement.

[Venmar]

Also, sorry for being so absent. I got really sick.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

How hard are you towning me

[sangres]

How hard are you towning me

Not as hard as page 1 of the BSG game, but I'm getting there.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Has nacho expressed an opinion about me yet

[sangres]

Has nacho expressed an opinion about me yet

afaik nacho hasn't seen the thread since his last post on page 2.

[pieguyn]

Thing is, you're pushing the idea that I'm not being transparent with these things, that I'm not mentioning the doubt, but the thing about that is...well...it's kinda obvious. I haven't been mentioning the doubt specifically because of the transparency. It's there in my posts. I don't need to say it every single time when it's laid out. You also are pushing the idea that "OMG reads list = absolute!", when you of all people would know my reads lists change...a lot.

this is complete BS. tell me where there's obvious doubt in these posts

Spoiler:

I'm also feeling great this game, which helps. I feel like the town players here are already in the process of synching up, just like last Xeno game, and that the scum are trapped on the outside for the most part. I generally don't feel like instantly flipping the switch, but this game is going so damn awesomely that I kinda sorta feel like I almost could flip it right here and now and be that pseudo-scumhunting-god.

1. ActionDan
^Nullish-town. Need more from Danny boy, but his posting thusfar sorta seems town.

2. Aegor
^Scummy. Can be scum with Kaze easily, but I see him as town if Kaze is town. I also see him as town if Cephrir is scum.

3. Angry Frat Bros (BROseidon + AngryPidgeon)
^Town. These guys are townposting like champs.

4. Brian Skies
^Also town. Brian Skies gives off the aura of a town player who doesn't give a crap about the wagon on him. He's relaxed, he's casual, and he's also not being a lurkaderp; he's still putting time, effort, and analysis into the game.

5. Cabd
^Town. I admittedly do not know Cabd that well; I'm not sure I've seen his scumgame and am not intimately familiar with his towngame. But his posting so far just feels like town, and that's good enough for me.

6. Cephrir
^Scummy, and opposite of Aegor: if Kaze's town, he's scum. If Aegor's scum, though, he'd be town.

7. Flandre Scarlet
^Nullish-scum.

8. Kagami
^Town. I can see the aura of towniness emitting from Kagami right now, and it is clear as can be.

9. Kazekirimaru
^Nullish-scum. While I can see elements of a town mindset present, for the most part, what I'm seeing just doesn't

feel

town. Right now, I'm actually guessing town with Pie/Cephrir as scum, but it easily could be Pie/Aegor/Kaze.

10. macmollie (mac + pirate mollie)
^Fairly decently town. Mollie hasn't done much, but what she has done gave me an immediate townvibe from her.

11. MafiaSSK
^Also town. This is SSK's townmeta, through-and-through, and his posting has been goodposting, too.

13. Metal Sonic
^Nullish-scum. Not liking his posting so far.

14. orcinus_theoriginal
^Nullish-town. Could be scum, but the claim makes me lean slightly towards town.

15. pieguyn
^Scum. This isn't a town pie. I don't know how I know this, but it simply...

isn't

.

16. sangres (fferyllt + Nachomamma8)
^Town. Sangres's posting so far has definitely been that of their towngame.

17. Skullduggery
^Also town. Meta points help, but I also found that Skull's posting regardless of meta still looked town overall, because it didn't feel forced, it didn't feel faked; it felt like natural town posting.

18. Varsoon
^Also also town. This is Varsoon's townposting.

19. Venmar
^Null. Don't really remember Venmar's posting, which is a bad sign.

20. zMuffinMan
^Town. This is a town-Muffin, through-and-through.

I'll be back later to compile this into an official list; short on time, so gotta go.

TOWN:
MafiaSSK
Angry Frat BROs
Sangres
zMuffinman

Skullduggery
Kagami

Varsoon
macmollie
Cabd
Brian Skies (fairly interchangeable with Cabd, but overall weaker)

LEANING TOWN:
ActionDan
orcinus_theoriginal

LYNCH POOL:
pieguyn
Aegor (mutually exclusive with Cephrir)
Cephrir (mutually exclusive with Aegor)
Kazekirimaru
Metal Sonic
Flandre Scarlet

NULL:
Venmar

So basically, 7 or so names for scum candidates, maaaaaaaaaaaaybe eight if you bump orcinus down--I need a little over half that. (I'm

guessing

five scum for this game, but it's difficult to be certain if it's four or five.)

I'm otherwise preoccupied, so I'll see if I can analyze the details later.

go on, tell me exactly what in those posts makes it "obvious" you're doubting your reads. you got caught and now you're literally pulling shit out of your ass to cover it up

[pieguyn]

Gonna steal zMuff's train of thought on me, but turned around. There's a fundamental difference in how pie approaches the game as town and as scum, and how his tone comes across as town and as scum. Pie's a lot like me in that regard. And I'm telling you that this is not the town pie I am familiar with.

and what makes you think you're familiar with how I approach the game?

sry but I'm going to have to say this is outright laughable. you quite clearly have no idea how I go about my reads on people, nor how I go about pushing them, nor how I approach the game. you are positioning yourself as being familiar with my game when we only have 1 completed game. and this still doesn't work even if you've meta'd me (see below). this is quite obviously BS

His posts are not analytical; they're a faking of analysis. They're not meant to find scum; they're meant to lynch town and manipulate town.

and it's not manipulative how you're basically just repeating "lolol pie is scum" to every single person WHILE COMPLETELY IGNORING, MISREPPING, AND DOWNPLAYING MY CASE ON YOU? YOU ARE TRYING TO COMPLETELY DISREGARD MY CASE ON YOU AND WRITE IT OFF LIKE IT NEVER HAPPENED. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT MEANT TO "MANIPULATE TOWN" AND "LYNCH TOWN"?

by playing this card, you are implying you yourself are scum. srsly, tell me what's not "manipulative" about these posts:

Spoiler:

(This is probably because pie is scum and kaze likely-town.)

Cephrir is probably scum, yes, but not certainly scum. For me, that's pie. What do you think of him?

Yes, because it was one likely formed by scum, in contrast to ours.

Indeed. Though that post is admittedly a much better display, it is still not his town self. Not even close.

Because he's probably scum?

Yep, pie for sure. Minus the bit about him having a town mindset. Squinting really hard, I could maybe take random pieces of his iso and rub them together and maybe sorta-semi-think it could vaguely resemble townposting, but aside from that...

A lack of explanation is the reason.

That mean you scumread Kaze?

Mastin, when you attempt to turn in your AP Calc homework with just answers and no work shown, don't be fucking surprised when everyone thinks you cheated and already had the answer sheet.

Fun fact:

I used mental math for concepts that most people couldn't do without calculations for

years

. In fact, my mental math often proved more accurate than my written math, because mentally, I came to the right answer, but when trying to do the processes that I had skipped, I made mistakes--sometimes obviously, or sometimes knowing they were mistakes yet not being able to figure out *why* they were mistakes.

I was later forced to learn to write it down because my teacher refused to give credit for the mental math, in spite of me having absolutely no method of cheating and my answers largely being right anyway. Understandably, I was worse at math for a while before I learned how to adjust.

So, yes, I can be surprised that people think I cheated, because I'm an honorable guy, for the most part. I expect me saying "No, I didn't cheat; that'd just be cheating myself. Why would I cheat?", means that people won't think I'm cheating, since I wasn't. I just did it, naturally. Granted, there were some things I needed to work at--to study. But for the most part, math was intuitive. I grasped the concept, and really really

got

it. (I did have trouble tying separate concepts together, though. Doing one, was fine. Doing the other, was fine. Doing both, my mind broke down.) Anything I write down is mostly a formality in math for me having already worked out the answer. The mind's faster than the hand.

...You probably need a better metaphor.

Indeed, because you have to be on a trip in order to see me as scum.

there is literally no analysis in any of these posts. instead, you're basically just repeating "xxx is scum" and "I'm town" and hoping people will buy it. your entire ISO besides your first post is smth called "argument from repetition". YOU ARE SPREADING MIST AND HOPING PEOPLE GET LOST.

second, if I'm not doing analysis then what the fuck am I doing now? I'm looking at your posts and quite clearly demonstrating how you're full of shit. third, what's scummy about trying to lynch someone you think is scum? go on, tell me. oh wait you can't bc you're just BS'ing yet again

and besides, why the fuck is this even alignment indicative? if you supposedly know so much about me, you should know that my posts come across as manipulative and forced a lot. however, you're conveniently ignoring that bc it's inconvenient for all the mist you're spreading around. you're so transparent

His posting's forced, his emotions are largely faked, and all-in-all, his posts just don't have the same heart as the town-him.

I'm finding it difficult to have heart this game when you and zmuffin are both making a terribad push on me for shit reasons and even more people are looking like they'll buy that shit. so, if you seriously believe this, just go fuck yourself and stay the fuck away from me. you obviously have no idea how I play this game and it's laughable how you're trying to position yourself as familiar with my play when you're obviously not

[pieguyn]

pie/kaze back & forth is strange. not so much kaze's posting but pies, especially agreeing with kaze about brian so quickly when his line of question appeared to be questioning kaze on his brian vote. plus I'm not so sure about the "scum are more aware of supersaints" theory he seems to be floating around in this series of posts.

it's page 2. sure it's weak but on page 2 it's better than anything else so far

what do you make of Kaze agreeing with it?

what is the purpose of this line of questioning, pieguy? because the way I see it is you solidifying a scumread on mastin then asking him for a read which doesn't really make sense?

I wanna know what his read on zmuffin is. if he's scum it forces him to take a stance on someone who's probably his partner, if he's town then I'm getting a legitimate opinion

I think Pieguy is also scum. I'm taking down notes now as I play, thanks MS for the motivation. You're still scum though.

care to explain why?

it's also noted how you say this but you don't get involved by hopping on my wagon or offering actual analysis. fueling the fire from the sidelines much?

[sangres]

this is a calculated appeal to ffery to get her on his side for a mislynch on me down the road. zmuffin KNOWS that ffery gets suspicious of me bc my posts come across as forced or unnatural a lot. and he also knows that ffery and I work together a lot. he is appealing to this angle to play up paranoia about me and manipulate her into siding against me

I keep reading this and wondering who is this ffery you're talking about.

it also conveniently came at a time of day where I'm usually not online, but close to when ffery gets online. although this is speculation and might not mean anything

Massively different time zones are a thing.

[Skullduggery]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aegor

You're not off the hook yet, Flandre. I'll get back to you. I've been burned for ignoring lurker-Scum before, and I'll be damned if I let it happen again here.

Sorry if my post was offensive or what, but I remember you posted in some game that you were waaay better at looking town than catching scum, and that stuck in my head.

In fact, that's in the book. Not trying to discredit you or whatever but yeah that stuck for me when I think of you...

It's true that I'm better at looking Town than catching Scum, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I have poor Scum-hunting skills as you insisted. I'm not the best Mafia player that ever lived, but that doesn't automatically mean that I suck. Come on now.

Nevertheless, why did you feel that this was such an important point that you had to bring it up twice? What was your intention there?

Mollie is confirmed town.

Because...?

So you don't care whether anyone else believes your laughable case on me? What are you going to do, lynch me all by yourself? You have fun with that.

I'm not sure how I feel about your confrontational attitude here.

Did you miss the part where he called me an insufferable fucktard for asking perfectly legitimate questions? Do you think I'm unjustified in being confrontational with Aegor?

What do you think about Aegor's case on me? He thinks my vote on Flandre was bad even though he has no opinion of Flandre, he thinks my vote on Brian was bad even though he has no opinion of the Brian wagon, and when pressed to elaborate on his reasoning, he resorts to insults and temper tantrums to avoid taking any definitive stances. Does that look like Town play to you?

1) you're not townreading me. There's no way. I haven't said shit to you yet, nacho scumreads me everyday, my play has not been spectacular, so that means you're towning me on the claim alone. I've never seen that.

Why are you hated and why do you stop being hated on Night 2? If you're only going to be hated for two days, why did you claim it so soon? Were you really expecting to be the Day 1 or Day 2 lynch so strongly that you needed to get this information out right away?

[Venmar]

it's also noted how you say this but you don't get involved by hopping on my wagon or offering actual analysis. fueling the fire from the sidelines much?

ITT you forget I am voting Metal Sonic and am developing other scumreads at the same time. ITT you also attack everyone who calls you scum. Nice.

[Flandre Scarlet]

Loving how I've been able to lurk without retribution.

Spoiler: LETS GET DOWN TO BUSINESS

Lyrics: David Zippel


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let's get down to business - to defeat the Huns
Did they send me daughters when I asked for brothers?
You're the saddest bunch I've ever met
But you can bet before we're through
Mister, I'll make a man out of you

Tranquil as a forest
But on fire within
Once you find your center
You are sure to win
You're a spineless, pale pathetic lot
And you haven't got a clue
Somehow I'll make a man out of you

I'm never gonna catch my breath
Say goodbye to those who knew me
Boy, was I a fool in school for cutting gym
This guy's got 'em scared to death
Hope he doesn't see right through me
Now I really wish that I knew how to swim

Be a man
We must be swift as the coursing river
Be a man
With all the force of a great typhoon
Be a man
With all the strength of a raging fire
Mysterious as the dark side of the moon

Time is racing toward us till the Huns arrive
Heed my every order and you might survive
You're unsuited for the rage of war
So pack up, go home you're through
How could I make a man out of you?

Spoiler: Aladdin

[Aladdin:]
Gotta keep One jump ahead of the breadline
One swing ahead of the sword
I steal only what I can't afford ( That's Everything! )

One jump ahead of the lawmen
That's all, and that's no joke
These guys don't appreciate I'm broke

[Crowd:] Riff raf! Street rat! Soundrel! Take that!

[Aladdin:] Just a little snack, guys
[Crowd:] Rip him open, take it back, guys
[Aladdin:] I can take a hint, gotta face the facts You're my only friend, Abu!
[3girls:] Who? Oh it's sad Aladdin's hit the bottom
He's become a one man rise in crime
[older lady:] I'd blame parents except he hasn't got em'
[Aladdin:] gotta eat to live, gotta steal to eat
Tell you all about it when I've got the time!

One jump ahead of the slow pokes
One skip ahead of my doom
Next time gonna use a nom de plume
One jump ahead of the hitmen
One hit ahead of the flock
I think I'll take a stroll around the block


(Interlude)
[crowd:] Stop Thief! Vandal! Outrage! Scandal!

[Aladdin:]
Let's not be too hasty
[Ugly woman:] still I think he's rather tasty
[Aladdin:]
Gotta eat to live, gotta steal to eat, otherwise we'd get along
[crowd:]
WRONG!
One jump ahead of the hoofbeats
[crowd:] VANDAL!
[Aladdin:] One hop ahead of the hump
[crowd:] STREET RAT
[Aladdin:] One trick ahead of Disaster!
[crowd:] Scoundrel!
[Aladdin:] they're quick but I'm much faster
[crowd:] Take that!
[Aladdin:] here goes, better throw my hand in
Wish me happy landin'
All I gotta do is jump!

Reprise:
[Aladdin:]
Riff raff, street rat, I don't buy that, if only they'd look closer ,
Would they see a poor boy?
No-siree
They'd find out
There's so much more to me.

So, I'm thinking Kazekirimaru is kinda town in regards where he's asking people why their reads disagree with them and opening himself up to different ideas.

I like Brian Skies catch up posts, they felt genuine, along with his reaction to the flashwagon.

The macmollie/sangres interaction felt like a TvT to me.

I'm liking orcinus_theoriginal's hated claim.

I kinda feel two scum in {pieguyn, mastin2, zMuffinMan} but it's a gut instinct more than anything. But, I feel like part of the wagon on mastin2 is a burden of proficiency wagon.

I feel like there's one scum in {Aegor, Skullduggery}

In regards to my last post not feeling genuine- (not really looking for sympathy, just explaining)- I'm trying to mask my playstyle (PL the metadodger) as well as get a feel for where I fit into the machine.

Pedit-

Thanks for anulling the first line of this post. I'll gladly chat with you more later, maybe you'll realize how off you are.

[Cabd]

Why are you hated and why do you stop being hated on Night 2? If you're only going to be hated for two days, why did you claim it so soon? Were you really expecting to be the Day 1 or Day 2 lynch so strongly that you needed to get this information out right away?

I would have speedlynched him on the spot had he not claimed it early D1. You always claim negative utility shit like that.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why are you role fishing

VOTE: skull

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Get on this wagon it's taking off

[pieguyn]

I keep reading this and wondering who is this ffery you're talking about.

what does this mean?

are you referring to how you're not playing solo? bc I don't see what that has to do with this

it's also noted how you say this but you don't get involved by hopping on my wagon or offering actual analysis. fueling the fire from the sidelines much?

ITT you forget I am voting Metal Sonic and am developing other scumreads at the same time. ITT you also attack everyone who calls you scum. Nice.

and what does this have to do with my point against you?

you're calling me scum while contributing absolutely nothing to the case against me. what does me attacking everyone who calls me scum have to do with this? nice deflection

not to mention if that was even true I'd be attacking practically the whole thread by now

[Cabd]

I think I don't know how Cabd thinks.

But the angle I see you sliding towards - "He's a meta player and reading me as scum so he must be scum" - isn't a good spot to be, in my opinion.

Missed this earlier. One point for kaze.

Pie, perhaps I missed it, did you follow up on this?

[Skullduggery]

Thanks for anulling the first line of this post. I'll gladly chat with you more later, maybe you'll realize how off you are.

Why later? Why not now?

So, I'm thinking Kazekirimaru is kinda town in regards where he's asking people why their reads disagree with them and opening himself up to different ideas.

Can you reword this sentence? I have no idea what you're even saying here.

I kinda feel two scum in {pieguyn, mastin2, zMuffinMan} but it's a gut instinct more than anything. But, I feel like part of the wagon on mastin2 is a burden of proficiency wagon.

Why two Scum specifically? Do you really think Pieguyn/Mastin and Pieguyn/Muffin are legitimate combinations? If so, why?

I feel like there's one scum in {Aegor, Skullduggery}

In regards to my last post not feeling genuine- (not really looking for sympathy, just explaining)- I'm trying to mask my playstyle (PL the metadodger) as well as get a feel for where I fit into the machine.

So even though you acknowledge that my observations about you in 228 are grounded in truth, you still have me as a Scum-read because of it? Why?

Why are you role fishing

skull

I'm not. Why aren't you answering my questions?

[pieguyn]

you never answered it

can you answer plz

[Cabd]

Also the flan girlie skipping me entirely is interesting.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: Why are you hated and why do you stop being hated on Night 2?

No this is role fishing quickwagon this shit

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Uhhhh awkward phone posting failure