Open 541 - Too Many Heads Mafia (Game Over)

[Si and Am]

Thanks for retardely claiming when it wasn't fucking needed nor the best approach. Fuck a random NK would have better information than a confirmed town.

Mastin you replaced a three headed hydra which posted one liners through out the game.
I'm 95% percent sure your slot is scum. 95% sure because of reasons.

[Stuffed Crust]

Right so you'd rather arguably the lurkiest/most suspected hydra waited until mylo to claim yeah?

how would a random night kill suit town better, please share.

[Mhork and Mindy]

The throwaway modkill references were in 1385 and 1420. Both of them bugged me on a low level, with the former reading as a reach for town cred.


--PA

Didn't seem to bother you hydra partner here..

As for my thoughts on the game, it's a clusterfuck. Other than that,

I like PFR.

Hammer aside, the aggression towards bazinga reads super obviously town to me. Especially the whole 'don't /in games with me.' I don't see scum saying that, especially when it's because that player has awful reads and is a distraction to the town.
~Mhork

This post came after the apparent throw away remarks.

Did Yggdra's posts in 1455 and 1456 do anything for you?

We're a hydra; we share a QT not a brain and as such are allowed to have different opinions.

I didn't particularly like those YU posts either, but then they also hadn't helped screw us over D1 the way your hydra did.

When I was catching up on this game Yggdra didn't seem town to me for many reasons. I'm hoping Mastin sheds some light on me whichever way in determining his alignment.

I'm hoping to get back into this game sooner than later. The meet was hella fun and I got to meet AP and randomly drunk talk to him (<3).

I was talking to Rach. I think we have come to an agreement on another town read. I was hoping I could get PA to talk to me a bit more w/o me having to engage her first so I could figure out her alignment because she's still in the unsure pile because I'm not really seeing Mhork act to the micro we recently played together and PA and I have history together in terms of games/hydras, but I'm not really seeing town PA, but then I'm not seeing scum-PA either?

so yeah Mastin post more soonish please!

Mod: when is the deadline ?

1536 happened, I got nothing. I stand by my town lean on you two, but it would be nice if that could be a jumping off point to figuring stuff out.

Damn, they said no. Guess I'll have to tackle this game by myself. (Hope you guys don't take offense at this game not being my top priority at the moment, though. With luck, I can get around to it later tonight, but I do have other obligations.)

So mastin2/future mastin2-hydra, in discussing reads with Mhork last night it turns out you're replacing into my only completely null read. Change that sooner rather than later, since about the only thing I agree with PFR on right now is that we are within a mislynch of XyLo. More specifically, I'd like your take on PFR, Athenas Fury, Stuffed Crust, and Squirrel Girl in descending order of priority. I mean, I could just wait and see if you try to mislynch me, but your reads on those players would be more generally useful.

Do explain why the hell I'm replacing into a null read. I'm guessing there was almost certainly content, so it's not null-off-of-nothing; it'd have to be null-off-of-ambivalence. So elaborate. (I've got nothing on anyone, though; I need to begin a readthrough. This game doesn't seem like the type where I can learn everything by looking at the last and/or first five pages; it seems like the type of game where I basically need to look at everything.)

As far as PFR goes, I do agree that a faith healer claim

may

be optimal today. What I don't like is the emphasis they're putting on it. Presumably the faith healer knows what kind of position they're in as far as overall perception is concerned.

No. The faith healer should only claim today if they are in danger of being lynched. Or threat of being lynched if the game comes to lylo.

When I was catching up on this game Yggdra didn't seem town to me for many reasons. I'm hoping Mastin sheds some light on me whichever way in determining his alignment.

Same for you. Why the hell don't you have a stronger read?

/I'll keep reading new posts as I see them, but don't expect insightful comments on newer posts that rely on older content. Which will, y'know. Basically be all of them. Content as mentioned later.

Mastin, why do you assume your predecessor provided content? And why are you acting like you disagree with my assessment of the utility of a faith healer claim when you're repeating the exact points I made? Which, incidentally, Stuffed Crust's claim fell under what I'd consider to be a good idea.

--PA

[Athenas Fury]

This head is lva til saturday. Sorry guys, I'm on day 8 of 10 straight and I do not have the time to put into this right now. Give me til saturday and you are all in big trouble

-Fishy

[Squirrel Girl]

I like Stuffed's claim. Let's lynch Mastin.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

Unvote

[Squirrel Girl]

I will admit I expected more excitement over 12 hours.

[Kid A]

Vote Count 2.5

Athenas Fury (2): Paranoia Fueled Rampage, Stuffed Crust
Rancid Broderick Drake (1): Athenas Fury
Paranoia Fueled Rampage (1): Mhork and Mindy
Mhork and Mindy (0)
Stuffed Crust (0)
Squirrel Girl (0)
Yggdra Union (1): Squirrel Girl
Generically Purple (0)
Si and Am (1): Generically Purple
mastin2 (0)

Not Voting (3): Si and Am, Rancid Broderick Drake, mastin2

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Day 2 will last until (expired on 2014-02-02 20:00:00) from now

[Si and Am]

VOTE: Mastin


That's step 1 to get out of the hole that I'm in.

@Pa:

I replied earlier than that, but booched questions prior in a quote rather than outside the quote. You ended up replying when I was in NC and I was half playing mafia half not.
I'm still unsure on your slot, but a bit surprised you aren;t as paranoid of me as I thought you would be because of you know. Last time we ended up working together you were scum and I removed the scum read on you.


Anyways I think the scum team is [PFR] + [Mastin/YU] + [???].

[Athenas Fury]

Been a busy couple of days. I'll try to get back to this tonight, but it might not be until tomorrow.

UNVOTE:

Mastin's entrance doesn't make me feel any better about that slot. Need to talk to fishy.

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

Anyways I think the scum team is [PFR] + [Mastin/YU] + [???].

Bring it on

VOTE: PFR

Lets see just how good your reads are

~G

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

enjoy LYLO tomorrow everyone

[Si and Am]

did you just vote yourself PFR

~Am



BTW it takes FIVE to lynch so that was not a hammer, we voted for Mastin...

[Mhork and Mindy]

Mala, I'm aware that I replied to your questions while you were away. You're back now, so...?

My town meta read on Rach is actually stronger than anything I have on you. Based on playing scum with you, I'm leaning toward this being your town game instead.

Rach, do you think PFR/Guyett actually thought they were self-hammering?

SG, what did you expect to happen?

--PA

[Si and Am]

After he self voted, he posted the image and said enjoy LYLO tomorrow, so that did seem like he might have been trying to self hammer.

[Si and Am]

^^

Am

[Generically Purple]

Soo...

two days, lets show the world what I see, shall we?

I would like to start off with the night kill, I'm not one to speculate on it usually but it was... Kinda weird...

Squirrel Girl
165 Trolls (BROseidon and Cabd)
Stuffed Crust (Mac and Varsoon)
Mhork and Mindy (penguin_alien and Lord Mhork)
Yggdra Union (Pieguyn - thenewearth - DrCirno)
Generically Purple (Ms Marangal and Generic)
Athenas Fury (Tammy and Formerfish)
Rancid Broderick Drake (Natirasha and zMuffinMan)
Si and Am (Malakittens and RachMarie)

that is who was left for them to choose to kill, in no special order.

Of that list, SG, AF, RBD and Yggdra (possibly myself, but I am biased) are those who I would have killed that night if I wanted to get rid of threats/obvious town/universal town reads

then, SC might have been right under them, because when Varsoon is town, he does has the capability of making himself Obv town, as does Mac (though the latter is because his town game and scum game are wholly different)

M&M, Trolls (Jiffy) and SiAm I would have not even thought about, because based on D1 play, they were superb mislynch Material if they were town. stuff they would need now, at this stage since the mod kills had brought us so close to lylo

but, Jiffy was killed, and even weirder, Tammy wasn't. What I think this means is

A) Tammy is scum

or
B) Someone feels confident enough to push Tammytown as scum

or
C)Someone thinks they link Tammy being alive to Marascum (and, honestly this is what I thought from the beginning)

with the Jiffy Kill, it's either

A) a strategical kill to try and place a mislynch on someone
or
B)a low information kill

With the Tammy Scenario's, A is completely out of the picture

and yes, I have thought this over, Tammy has fooled me in the past, and I'm guaranteed to get paranoid on her at some point in the future, but as of now, I realize that, yes tammy is able to play up her town game as scum, but she is unable to do it to the extent I, or Nacho can (at least effortlessly) so her scum games will look a little more forced, will have a tad bit less emotion, will be a little bit more mechanic and guess what? I don't really see any of that here. Considering the timing, and reasons why she thought she was lynched, and considering her mindset as town, and as scum it's pretty easy to figure out that tammy is town here

for B, there are only a few people who are confident enough to do such a thing who were alive at the time. Myself, AP, and possibly GIF and Nati. Funny thing is, I have a light town read on PFR, mostly because of ETL's fight with mollie and Guyett's hammer. I don't really think ETL would stoop to such a low level and use AtE the way she did as scum, and AP being confident enough to push tammyscum is based on his play here which, is considerably weak GIF and Nati are a possibility, because of who they are, confidence wise RE their scum-games. (GIF actually has a high level of confidence in his scum games, but enjoy's town more)

I am a little curious as to why GIF/TNE/PIE had gotten the activity replacement thing, Pie and GIF are both very active, GIF as both alignments IIRC and I have never seen him become a lurker. TNE, on his own is more statistical, and more "townish" never stepping on anyones toes, and being fairly low key, while being fairly up in everyones face as town though, in hydra he is incredibly lurky and it could be possible that they were a scum hydra, and he didn't really know what to do. Pie didn't really do anything, either despite being active on site so that on it's own is a littls suspicious

and then C, and the only scenario where that could happen (in my mind) is to link my attitude to Tammy in this game, to my attitude towards tammy in a certain hardboiled game. Guess what? D1, it was kinda similar but... D2 I proceed to call her obvious town, so it isn't going to work. The only person who I know who has the knowledge of that game, here is Mala, hence me pushing her as scum (along with the other various things I have pointed out but has never been touched upon by her, or anyone else)

I mean, it's also very possible the thing that happened in Empires game is happening here ( but I don't really even know what that was, so I'll leave it alone)

RE Jiffy, it almost has to be A because, him as a low info kill doesn't really make sense... Maybe, Cabd dropped a crumb or, Bro did before they died but I didn't catch it so it was probably well hidden and it's Cabd, so I don't think anyone here would even take a crumb from him, seriously. aside from that, there are other low info kills, such as myself, Tammy/Fish, and RBD. None of us really leave a track anywhere, especially tammy and all I really did D1 was call a bunch of people town, and keep a constant push on mala. I am also far more likely to keep everyone organized than jiffy, which is also something we would need and I think fish would be capable of that, too should he be allowed the time

what this means? Jiffy being killed is almost likely to be A, AND jiffy being a strategical kill can easily be used as a link to TammynotgettingkilledpointC as they easily go hand in hand. It also could link to TammynotbeingkilledpointB in that, it could be used by whoever was trying to push Tammyscum as killing jiffy because she is killing people whom she is scared of first, which is exactly how tammy would do her kills. She wouldn't PR hunt, she kills those who she thinks will be threats to her which would be myself, jiffy, or Mala (I think) She had no way of knowing my thoughts on her, I didn't really make them known D1, and I'm pretty sure she knows that once I find scum (or think I do) I wouldn't be hesitant to push it

Point A being likely could also be a means of someone who is strong, but no one knows is strong, pulling off a plan that takes advantage of everyone here knowing everyone and just sitting back and watching the show. Squirrel fits this bill perfectly, and considering the points I had when town reading her are no longer viable, and that town read has gone stale I will say this

the only person I have as near conf. town right now, everyone else is a scum candidate.

with all this in mind, Squirrel is likely to be scum, and maybe RBD. I don't think he was self-hammering, there is a VC here on this page, he is able to see it himself, and he is able to see that he is no where near L-1. I do not like how the mastin wagon is growing, and is quietly getting backed up. I also do not like Mala's vote on him

I think the scumteam is

SG (PFR, Mala/rach, M&M, RBD) at this point in time. I have thought this over, and I don't think mastin is scum, but is getting pushed by scum which would mean M&M is likely, and Mala/rach is less likely

where I stand, though.

VOTE: Squirrel Girl

[Generically Purple]

GP, what do you know about my meta? What is 'town mhork' supposed to look like?

not a whole lot, but I do know that Mhork, in general, is very dramatic. I don't get that feeling here, and that might be because you're paired with PA. I also know that, your play here feels alot closer to nuzlock than it does to that micro game where you wanted to kill me so badly, that even though I said I didn't care about being lynched... I kinda did care, a little

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

Of that list, SG, AF, RBD and Yggdra (possibly myself, but I am biased) are those who I would have killed that night if I wanted to get rid of threats/obvious town/universal town reads

Prior to the modkills, we were thinking ye would be killed, possibly in an effort to frame us because yer vote ended up on us at the end of D1 (we knew we wouldn't be NKed - if mollie was scum, she'd have kept us around to try to push us, and if mollie was town, scum would have kept us alive to push her, which most likely would have happened today - I expressed vague feelings about mollie having a really off town game when I was discussing things with Nati over the night phase but he was pretty convinced she was scum).

After the modkills, we still thought ye'd be killed because nobody else looked all that town at the time.

We think Majiffy was killed because it was a really safe, low information kill, and we're not reading any further into it. It suggests scum didn't want to shake up the game state much, but we're not delving very deep into this because the game state was fairly chaotic at the time.

Either that, or they picked up on a crumb from 165 Trolls.

I realize that, yes tammy is able to play up her town game as scum, but she is unable to do it to the extent I, or Nacho can (at least effortlessly) so her scum games will look a little more forced, will have a tad bit less emotion, will be a little bit more mechanic and guess what? I don't really see any of that here.

Me other head vehemently disagreed with this assessment and I have been thinking her play does look forced and is a bit mechanical. I'm less sure about this now and me other head has virtually checked out of the game for personal reasons. I not be convinced the wench be town, but I'm prioritising finding scum outside of her today.

SC claiming faith healer means my reads suck, anyway, so I be taking a step back and reassessing everything at the moment.

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

I have a light

town read

on PFR,

I think the scumteam is

SG (

PFR

, Mala/rach, M&M, RBD) at this point in time.

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

I wasn't self hammering.. there's a fucking VC on this page!!!

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

She wouldn't PR hunt, she kills those who she thinks will be threats to her which would be myself, jiffy, or Mala (I think) She had no way of knowing my thoughts on her, I didn't really make them known D1

Whether or not the wench PR hunts, it would be dumb not to. If they didn't hit a faith healer last night, they could both claim today and scum would have been forced to fake-claim or we'd have 2 ICs who can 50% protect each other. So the wench probably didn't have a say in it.

Also, ye did make yer thoughts on her clear D1 (ye know, in that giant reads post ye did where she be among yer strongest town reads).

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

I want to hear Jesus's thoughts on the game when he catches up.

[mastin2]

Thanks for retardely claiming when it wasn't fucking needed nor the best approach. Fuck a random NK would have better information than a confirmed town.

Mastin you replaced a three headed hydra which posted one liners through out the game.
I'm 95% percent sure your slot is scum. 95% sure because of reasons.

Funny, 'cause I'm pretty sure that this is a scumpost from you.

VOTE: Si and Am.

Mastin, why do you assume your predecessor provided content?

My predecessor is made up of players I know? I can pretty much guarantee that by day two, they're going to have posted content.

I like Stuffed's claim. Let's lynch Mastin.

Let's not. Not until I get caught up, anyway.

Anyways I think the scum team is [PFR] + [Mastin/YU] + [???].

Bring it on

VOTE: PFR

Lets see just how good your reads are

~G

Yo, AP (yes, I know, not an AP post; I don't give a damn; I'm talking to him despite that ), you're town. I'm town. Let's lynch some scum, 'kay? What do you think of Si and Am?

but, Jiffy was killed, and even weirder, Tammy wasn't. What I think this means is
A) Tammy is scum
or
B) Someone feels confident enough to push Tammytown as scum
or
C)Someone thinks they link Tammy being alive to Marascum
with the Jiffy Kill, it's either

A) a strategical kill to try and place a mislynch on someone
or
B)a low information kill

Good analysis, but it seems like a lot of these things aren't mutually exclusive, and that there's another option missing: The scum fearing the faith healer on Tammy. Did that possibility factor into your analysis?

I want to hear Jesus's thoughts on the game when he catches up.

Largely winging it for the moment. I do intend to catch up, but other places are of a higher priority overall.

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

Lol mastin pls exlpain why this slot is town
also explain why we shouldnt push for your lynch (to let you catch up isnt a good enough excuse as I've seen scum mastin use it as an excuse to keep pressure off hom)