The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[Shadoweh]

Dan: That's more like it. I'll even forgive you for your transgressionss. Qhat do oyou think of my argument against Desp?

Ugh, send Nat bacck. tl;dr JS is a 'Bodyguard', Aegor claimed Town Godfatheer so we lynched him and he was aa town godfather, now we're voting people for being scum. Daay 2 is only like 6 pages, at least read current events.

[ActionDan]

Qhat do oyou think of my argument against Desp?

haven't read it yet (or anything D2 really). will get back to you

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Just vote for Desperado, Majiffy.

ActionDan, how closely have you been reading Tierce? I feel like I should have a stronger read on her.

[Majiffy]

JS is a 'Bodyguard'

... quotes?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

It's a quote in that we only have his word for it.

[ActionDan]

ActionDan, how closely have you been reading Tierce? I feel like I should have a stronger read on her.

not very closely at all.

[Majiffy]

Reading Day 2.

Talking about the flip itself is boring anyways

You don't find the balancing possibilities and inherent setup information a

town godfather

flip gives us?

I'm banking on an insane cop. Godfather operates as a false-positive.

I'm also intrigued as to why people lynched a claimed town godfather, as if scum would be thick enough to claim such an absurd thing.

Guys we can still lynch esp today surely?

I'm kind of ok with this, but granted I've only read all of about 2 posts of his this game.

That ebb and flow and the inability for anything to really push through until the deadline looming power dive means ~something~ was stopping the others from going through.

That's typical in larges these days. And unless you're implying something was stopping them all from going through (aka, they're all scum), your logic doesn't follow. By your argument, the first wagon on a townie should have flipped.

What happened is what always happens. People made a dumb fucking deadline lynch in a game too large for town to assemble and control.

Look at reasons for being on the wagon. Look at reasons for people hedging off the wagon. Look at reasons for staying clear as possible from the wagon. Find scum from those that are less concerned about their reasons and more concerned about their votes.

Aka, learn to properly VCA.

why? you look like a good target yourself

Because of what I said yesterday. We still have a scummy, useless VT claimed detrimental to the town person hopping around.

Are you advocating a utility lynch?

... Elscouta (who, for the record, is probably scum).

Vote: Espeonage

Why is Elscouta scum? Why are you voting elsewhere, if you've found scum? Why are you voting Espy?

These answers and more at 11?

Being a late counterwagon to Town made me an obvious non-kill target, especially since chamber was Town. See: beautiful noise to be left alive for Today. Which is why it doesn't make much sense that chamber, who had claimed vanilla, is dead--unless the person he can read best is scum. See: CES. Like... from the end of D1, I'd put

myself

as more likely to be killed by a generic scumteam than chamber, and I didn't think I was a target at all.

This is solid town-thinking. You can be town.

Whether your theory is correct or not is something to be examined. But hello, Tierce. Lets gel.

I think the Tierce wagon is the best at the moment, still. But I need more time to rethink over who is scum.

I want to unscrew your cap and dump you down the sink, apparently your expiration date has passed.

I only read godfather and left it at that

Why is everyone saying this?

Jesus Christ the flip is incredibly curious and we're not talking about it all?

End page 40.

Is there seriously no townblock going on here? It seems like everyone is shooting in different directions and no one is bothering to work together.

[Shadoweh]

Okay, maybe I should clarify further that Aegor full-claimed here. And it seemed like a good idea at the time. <_<
Talking about what his role implies for the setup is way different then what the argument earlier was about, which was people thinking he flipped scum godfather because the flip had godfather in it.

[Majiffy]

2. I'd actually rather work with the rest of the town to get something done.

Who are you working with, actively, right now?

Because I see no one.

^ Who are you talking to, scummyboy?

You can be town, too.

godfather = ninja miller cop-vig (according to Aegor)

Are you reading the thread?

Please direct quote for me.

Then replace out.

You haven't done anything in this game. Don't expect me to sum up for you 42 pages that you did not bother to read.

You gain town points for not sucking up.

You lose credibility points for being an unhelpful cockfuck when town is clearly disorganized and someone is reaching out.

ABR, go read the game. Please. Go read Aegor's claim. He explains it, and I'm on a tablet so formatting quotes is hard to do.

See, this is why towns get nowhere in larges.

Not so much the tablet bit, but the general attitude.

Work together, you cunts.

Can I point out that sirdan is still agenda pushing and never acknowledging that it is entirely possible for him to have an incorrect read.

This is not a scumtell. In fact, I think you'll find most townies typically find it hard to entertain the idea of having incorrect reads.

Vote: Sirdanilot

Peregrine, you really should have let the deadline play out. I think we could have avoided that Aegor thing and lynched scum.

Oh this is why people are voting you.

[VCA]

How did I just know you were going to come up in here with bad VCA?

Being on lots of wagons is not a scumtell. Being off lots of wagons is not a scumtell. Voting habits are generally not alignment-indicative unless you have a strong meta tell with plenty of evidence to back it up; and even then, usually an adept player will be self-conscious enough about this to mimic town behavior as scum and hide such blatant and easily found scumtells.

Dig deeper. At least you're trying. You can be town.

Mainly because it'll effect my motivation, who, of the people that aren't opposed to my lynch, actually thinks I'm more than 50% likely to flip scum, and who just wants me out of the game?

That said, Spy's post makes me less inclined to stick with my Jason town read.

Can we rope this thing?

Toldya spyrex be town.

Atm im inclinrs towards a sirdanilot lynch, or ABR ot CES.

Red herrings, the lot of ye. Let's lynch Espy.

End page 43.

[Majiffy]

Okay, maybe I should clarify further that Aegor full-claimed here. And it seemed like a good idea at the time. <_<
Talking about what his role implies for the setup is way different then what the argument earlier was about, which was people thinking he flipped scum godfather because the flip had godfather in it.

I'm aware of what the argument was about and lack thereof.

I'm questioning why everyone is avoiding the elephant in the room.

I'll read the claim when I'm caught up.

[Majiffy]

Holy shit, a wagon I can actually get behind.
DIE SIRDANILOT
just kidding

##Vote: Desperado

i think i ate some food poisoning btw so im going nap

I really don't like you.

Also how do you reconcile 'guy trying to build a consensus with town' with 'guy who spends half the time swearing at everyone'?

@ Shadow: The only real suggestions I've seen are Esp (still town) and CES (who is scum because Chamber died? meh), neither of which is a good lynch. The only other strong reads I have are on town.

Why is Espy town?

Who are your strong town reads?

Why are you playing so close to the chest?

Why does it seem like you're doing absolutely zero?

5 days. Gosh. Maybe I'll find all the scum if I have too.

Maybe you'll have to.

Just vote for Desperado, Majiffy.

I'm going to lean on no.

End catchup.

[Majiffy]

Town
{Tierce, Sirdan, Shos, Spyrex}

Town Lean
{CES, Elscouta, Desperado}

Temporary Town Permit (Useful Until Proven Otherwise)
{ActionDan, TIP, JacobSavage, ABR}

Scum
{Espy, Shadoweh}

Outliers (Null and useless)
{PV, MafiaSSK}

VOTE: Espeonage

[Majiffy]

Actually no.

VOTE: Shadoweh

Lets see how this pool feels.

[Majiffy]

I am a town-aligned Godfather (again, unsurprising, given Maeglin). My ability lets me choose someone (1) who will kill someone else (2) of my choice. The kill will go through if (1) is town. If (1) is maf, the kill will not succeed. It is thus a combination cop-vig ability.

This is a neat role.

Was it x-Shot? Did he ever say? Seems a tad overpowered for unlimited.

[Majiffy]

Commence flowcharting. I am voting Shadoweh.

[Majiffy]

Oh and JS please explain more about the specifics of your bodyguard claim when you get the chance.

i.e. are there conditionals (% chance of success, % chance of killing killer, etc)

[Shadoweh]

No, he didn't say, and you're welcome you ungrateful dick.
I'm pretty sure I'm the only one around to talk to you too so this is going to be an awkward conversation if you're going to throw flowcharts at me. I'm not against other options here but voting myself isn't on my to-do list. I'd prefer not Esp either, he's been a side-wagon choice for everyone since he claimed VT early.

[Majiffy]

Talking to someone does not equate deserving a townread.

I think you're scummy, based on your play I've seen in the past 6 or 7 pages.

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

THIS GAME IS TOO SLOW MOVING FOR MY NEEDS.

I AM VERY NEEDY.

FULFILL MY NEEDS.

[MafiaSSK]

Actually no.

VOTE: Shadoweh

Lets see how this pool feels.

I'll bite. Why Shadoweh?

[Majiffy]

General shutting down of conversation during the day (regarding the flip, regarding the confusion surrounding said flip, etc), lots of hollow scumhunting, reason to push TIP was shit and didn't look like scumhunting more than it looked like "I could get away with this" - something she later dropped and then started talking to TIP as if she was trying to motivate town more than pressure scum. Then she's agreeing with another shit case. Did I mention the lack of a vote so far? These too. Still no vote. Then the shittiest of all votes ever. One, two, skip a few, lots of empty posts that do nothing useful. I don't like the "look at me!". What argument against Desp? Also possible case of helpful-scum tell. And then being mad that being helpful didn't earn a townread.

Miller Godfather that Cops and Vigs people incidentally also sounds like a dream DON'T LYNCH ME PLS role.

##Vote: Aegor

And apparently there's also this really bad vote on Aegor.

[Desperado]

Why is Espy town?

Who are your strong town reads?

Why are you playing so close to the chest?

Why does it seem like you're doing absolutely zero?

Esp is town because he claimed VT and instantly became the scum's first designated ML. Spyrex's conviction reads town but Dan is using Esp as a backup while he plays the Townie Above It All and throws shit at everyone. His omnipresence is partially to blame for the town's lack of cohesion, and I think it's because it's just a bunch of Mist spewing out of his ass.

Esp, Tierce, Albert, TIP are Town. Elscouta and shos are pretty town.

Don't know, it's not intentional.

Because you haven't read D1?

[Tierce]

Things have been pretty hectic, apologies. I haven't even looked at the D1 VCA stuff yet, but it will have to wait for tomorrow evening.

[Shadoweh]

Wow. You're still going. It's pretty easy to make a case on someone when you frame everything from the start in the form of empty posts that do nothing useful. One of those posts is actually taking part in the conversation about the flip, with my opinion which by the way I have one of those of my own, and the other one is stopping the discussion when it turned into role speculation that had nothing to do with possible scum interactionss with Aegor, which is a thing I did that I'm pretty glad for. I have a better question for you, why would I as scum want to stop anyone from speculating on what a dead person does? Role speculation is probably my favorite way as scum to waste time talking about nothing, because it looks helpful while being completely meaningless as far as interacting with players go.

I will be incredibly shocked if anyone takes you up on trying to lynch me considering for once I feel like I'm one of the people driving the bus this game, but I've been disappointed before. I don't think arguing with you is going to be very productive either. I've admitted that I'm not proud of my own vote right now but I think I'm gonna just keep rereading that part of the game you're ignoring to see what I want to do next instead of mud-bathing. :V

Dan isn't throwing shit at everyone. He literally didn't name anything but his townreads, other then the person he's voting?