The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[Tierce]

Oh and JS please explain more about the specifics of your bodyguard claim when you get the chance.

i.e. are there conditionals (% chance of success, % chance of killing killer, etc)

What the hell are you doing?

Why the heck would you, as Town, want him to claim this?

It's pretty obvious. If JacobSavage is scum and is ever tracked anywhere but the person he claims to protect, he's dead. If he's rolecopped and shown to be lying, he's dead. NONE of this nonsense you're asking would ever help Town.

[Desperado]

Dan isn't throwing shit at everyone. He literally didn't name anything but his townreads, other then the person he's voting?

Sirdan.

[Tierce]

Town
{

Tierce

, Sirdan, Shos,

Spyrex

}

Town Lean
{

CES

, Elscouta, Desperado}

Temporary Town Permit (Useful Until Proven Otherwise)
{ActionDan, TIP, JacobSavage,

ABR

}

Scum
{Espy, Shadoweh}

Outliers (Null and useless)
{PV, MafiaSSK}

VOTE: Espeonage

I'm calling bullshit on this list.

[Tierce]

Just vote for Desperado, Majiffy.

ActionDan, how closely have you been reading Tierce? I feel like I should have a stronger read on her.

Too little, too late.


I start skimming and then I'm reading and getting reeled in and I really can't afford to right now. >.> I need to force myself away from the game so I can rest.

[Tierce]

Golden cookie to anyone who tells me what's wrong with Majiffy's list. I even made a pretty outline.

[TheIrishPope]

you, spyrex, ces, and abr are masons?
seriously I think that no one would put abr next to my name, that's for sure.
tierce do you think desperado is scum? I think he is.

[Plum]

Slow was their going by twilight or by night in the pathless wilds, and the fell winter came down swiftly from the realm of Morgoth. Despite the shelter of the hills the winds were strong and bitter, and soon the snow lay deep upon the heights, or whirled through the passes, and fell upon the woods of Núath ere the full-shedding of their withered leaves. Thus though they set out before the middle of Narquelië, the Hísimë came in with biting frost even as they drew nigh to the Sources of Narog.

There at the end of a weary night in the grey of dawn they halted; and Voronwë was dismayed, looking about him in grief and fear. Where once the fair pool of Ivrin had lain in its great stone basin carved by falling waters, and all about it had been a tree-clad hollow under the hills, now he saw a land defiled and desolate. The trees were burned or uprooted; and the stone-marges of the pool were broken, so that the waters of Ivrin strayed and wrought a great barren marsh amid the ruin. All now was but a welter of frozen mire, and a reek of decay lay like a foul mist upon the ground.

"Alas! Has the evil come even here?" Voronwë cried, "Once far from the threat of Angband was this place; but ever the fingers of Morgoth grope further."

"It is even as Ulmo spoke to me," said Tuor: "The springs are poisoned, and my power withdraws from the waters of the land."

"Yet," said Voronwë, "a malice has been here with strength greater than that of Orcs. Fear lingers in this place." And he searched about the edges of the mire, until suddenly he stood still and cried again: "Yea, a great evil!" And he beckoned to Tuor, and Tuor coming saw a slot like a huge furrow that passed away southward, and at either side, now blurred, now sealed hard and clear by frost, the marks of great clawed feet. "See!" said Voronwë, and his face was pale with dread and loathing. "Here not long since was the Great Worm of Angband, most fell of all the creatures of the Enemy! Late already is our errand to Turgon. There is need of haste."

Even as he spoke thus, they heard a cry in the woods, and they stood still as grey stones, listening. But the voice was a fair voice, though filled with grief, and it seemed that it called ever upon a name, as one that searches for another who is lost. And as they waited one came through the trees, and they saw that he was a tall Man, aimed, clad in black, with a long sword drawn and they wondered, for the blade of the sword also was black, but the edges shone bright and cold. Woe was graven in his face, and when he beheld the ruin of Ivrin he cried aloud in grief, saying: "Ivrin, Faelivrin! Gwindor and Beleg! Here once I was healed. But now never shall I drink the draught of peace again."

Then he went swiftly away towards the North, as one in pursuit, or on an errand of great haste, and they heard him cry Faelivrin, Finduilas! until his voice died away in the woods. But they knew not who he was, nor anything of what had befallen in the south; and he passed them by, and they said no word.

VOTE COUNT 2:6

Espeonage

- 1 - SpyreX

Tierce

- 1 - ActionDan

Cogito Ergo Sum

- 1 - Tierce

Majiffy

- 1 - TheIrishPope

Albert B. Rampage

- 1 - Elscouta

sirdanilot

- 3 - Desperado, Espeonage, shos

Desperado

- 4 - Cogito Ergo Sum, sirdanilot, Shadoweh, Albert B. Rampage

Shadoweh

- 1 - Majiffy

Not voting (3)

: JacobSavage, MafiaSSK, PeregrineV

With 16 players alive it takes

9

votes to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2014-02-05 00:00:01)

[sirdanilot]

Despy if you would join the espy wagon, then I would be voting espy rather than 'having him as backup'.

I'm not gonna pull a full orthodox Spyrex here, I'm not going to vote park and thereby waste the town's major power: the vote. Sorry, but nope not going there.

Either your reasons for scumreading me are very very misguided and shitty, or you're scum after all. I don't know which yet.

Majiffy's Shadoweh case actually looks good, though I always read him town until now, so not sheeping.

[shos]

Ill admit that i havent read 1146 onwards yet, but shadow was probably my strongest townread along with elscouta. Ill go check something meanwhile

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Just vote for Desperado, Majiffy.

ActionDan, how closely have you been reading Tierce? I feel like I should have a stronger read on her.

Too little, too late.

It's okay; I was mostly just trying to get an answer out of Action "CES wouldn't kill chamber" Dan. I only half feel like I should.

[Elscouta]

godfather = ninja miller cop-vig (according to Aegor)

Are you reading the thread?

Please direct quote for me.

I am a decent lynch because I am Maeglin. Unsurprisingly, I am a Miller. I also have another ability that combines two PRs in a creative and productive way. Given the Miller status, I am happy to be policy-lynched to avoid problems later.

I am a town-aligned Godfather (again, unsurprising, given Maeglin). My ability lets me choose someone (1) who will kill someone else (2) of my choice. The kill will go through if (1) is town. If (1) is maf, the kill will not succeed. It is thus a combination cop-vig ability.

The cop part is due to the fact that if the second target dies, the first person is cleared as town, and if it doesn't, it is most likely beceause the first person is scum.
The ninja part was because people supposed that the kill could not be tracked to him (but would be to the one that is sent to perform the kill).

--

* I disagree with Majiffy town-list, but I don't find anything particularly incriminating towards him.
* #1150 is very true. There is no reason to get the bodyguard specifics.
* Shadoweh is most likely town, and there is definitely no reason to discuss for pages the flip, especially now that the alignement issue is cleared (mod confirmed Aegor was town, no Death Godfather shenanigans).
* I am GREATLY disappointed by everyone jumping off the ABR wagon. Geez, do you really buy his "now that Tierce pat me on the back, i will suddenly get interested in the game"?
* Desperado and sirdanilot wagons are fine. I will probably join one of these if there is nobody for ABR.

[sirdanilot]

^ Do desp !

ABR may very well be scum (though he has changed his ass backwards reads somewhat to me-town) and scum wagons tend to be hard to get going, Els. We can try again later.

[Tierce]

Just vote for Desperado, Majiffy.

ActionDan, how closely have you been reading Tierce? I feel like I should have a stronger read on her.

Too little, too late.

It's okay; I was mostly just trying to get an answer out of Action "CES wouldn't kill chamber" Dan. I only half feel like I should.

Let me decode this--so you think he's not reading as closely as he should/that he should have noticed my post on the subject of the NK, or...?

[ActionDan]

Just vote for Desperado, Majiffy.

ActionDan, how closely have you been reading Tierce? I feel like I should have a stronger read on her.

Too little, too late.

It's okay; I was mostly just trying to get an answer out of Action "CES wouldn't kill chamber" Dan. I only half feel like I should.

Satisfied?

[Shadoweh]

^ Do desp !
ABR may very well be scum (though he has changed his ass backwards reads somewhat to me-town) and scum wagons tend to be hard to get going, Els. We can try again later.

Honestly, all the wagons today have been hard to get going, and it's easy to see why with the vote spread. As much as I like Dan and Tierce, their votes have been sitting alone unconvincingly for days. Same with Spyrex and TIP, and that's not looking at the three people who still haven't voted yet. I mean, Desp and you have been the only majority wagons on 3-4 votes? It's hard to tell if anyone else really has a chance of being lynched because no one's committing to anything.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll go for Elscouta, or Desperado, or any number of other players lol

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Let me decode this--so you think he's not reading as closely as he should/that he should have noticed my post on the subject of the NK, or...?

It seemed like a thing worth looking into it given that he had just commented on reading you.

Satisfied?

Yarr. In the sense that I'm satisfied that we've established a scummy disconnect between posting reads and reading the thread in your behaviour.

[ActionDan]

Ok.

[Majiffy]

Esp is town because he claimed VT and instantly became the scum's first designated ML.

Lack of flipped scum makes this a really questionable set of logic.

Esp, Tierce, Albert, TIP are Town. Elscouta and shos are pretty town.

Why aren't you working with them? And before you say "I am", I'm not seeing it.

Because you haven't read D1?

Whoopdie friggin' doo.

You now have two town flips, wagons to analyze, and people to work with. My question stands.

Wow. You're still going. It's pretty easy to make a case on someone when you frame everything from the start in the form of empty posts that do nothing useful.

Well, when everything from the start are empty posts that do nothing useful...

One of those posts is actually taking part in the conversation about the flip, with my opinion which by the way I have one of those of my own

Yeah, and halting discussion on the flip after your "opinion" is offered, as if your truth is the only truth.

and the other one is stopping the discussion when it turned into role speculation that had nothing to do with possible scum interactionss with Aegor

Considering he flipped town, I don't see how you're making many strong arguments about scum interactions.

Role speculation helps insofar as it enables setup spec, which can be very powerful.

which is a thing I did that I'm pretty glad for. I have a better question for you, why would I as scum want to stop anyone from speculating on what a dead person does?

See above.

Role speculation is probably my favorite way as scum to waste time talking about nothing, because it looks helpful while being completely meaningless as far as interacting with players go.

Sure thing.

Oh and JS please explain more about the specifics of your bodyguard claim when you get the chance.

i.e. are there conditionals (% chance of success, % chance of killing killer, etc)

What the hell are you doing?

Why the heck would you, as Town, want him to claim this?

It's pretty obvious. If JacobSavage is scum and is ever tracked anywhere but the person he claims to protect, he's dead. If he's rolecopped and shown to be lying, he's dead. NONE of this nonsense you're asking would ever help Town.

Because we can save the informative roles for something a bit more useful than proving a rather weak protective claim.

Plus, I have a hunch. I wanna see where it goes.

I'm calling bullshit on this list.

You're calling bullshit on my townread on you?

[PeregrineV]

Got today only until Monday. What's going on?

[sirdanilot]

Tierce, you know very well JS is scum so the role fishing Majiffy's doing doesn't really matter.

Is he your buddy Tierce?

[Desperado]

Lack of flipped scum makes this a really questionable set of logic.

That's why I want sirdan dead.

Why aren't you working with them? And before you say "I am", I'm not seeing it.

Tierce and Albert aren't working with anyone, Elscouta and TIP think I'm scum, and Esp has no cache.

Why is Esp scum?

[Desperado]

Got today only until Monday. What's going on?

Town Majiffy replaced in and revitalized the game.

Vote sirdan?

[Majiffy]

Lack of flipped scum makes this a really questionable set of logic.

That's why I want sirdan dead.

Dumb does not necessitate scum.

Why is Esp scum?

The numerous scummy posts made and quoted in my catch-up.

[Majiffy]

Aka I'm too lazy to make a case right now.

Maybe tomorrow.