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Post Post #750 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:54 pm

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In post 717, Skullduggery wrote:
In post 705, sangres wrote:Metal Sonic does your neighborhood have day talk?
I would also like to know this.
In post 716, macmollie wrote:
In post 715, pirate mollie wrote:I say we lynch within the neighborhoods it will be funny
I'm down for it. If there is Scum between Metal Sonic, AFB, and Venmar, I'd probably put my money on Venmar. What do you think?
In post 673, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:VOTE SKULLDUGG. ?????
Oh, for the love of--

Okay, Orcinus, listen to me and listen good. I'm going to make this as simple and easy-to-understand as possible.

One Day 1, without any provocation, you told us what your role is. You made an announcement in big fucking font that you were hated until Night 2. You
voluntarily
shared this information with us.
You
told us what your role is. How am I role-fishing
when you already told us what your fucking role is?


You've been frothing at the mouth calling me Scum because I inquired about something that everyone knows because
you
already told us about it.
You
made your role general knowledge. How am I Scum for asking about something that everybody in the game already knows about? This is some of the most ass-backwards logic I've ever seen in a Mafia game. Either you're Scum or you're just a delusional idiot. Which is it?
In post 718, Skullduggery wrote:Actually, you know what? Orc's entire case on me is built upon the erroneous belief that I was role-fishing, but how can I be role-fishing if he (presumably) already told us his role? This just reinforces my belief that he was lying when he said he was hated until Night 2. He would only accuse me of role-fishing if his role is different from what he told us it was.

The only question now is why. Why would he lie about being hated until Night 2, and is this lie coming from a Town mindset or a Scum mindset? Anyone want to help me figure this out?
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Post Post #751 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:57 pm

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what do those quotes signify?
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Post Post #752 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:01 pm

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Whoops. Did not think the quotes would appear if I did quick reply. Those were posts that stuck out in the last few pages because they were so awful.

Anyway, I was going to post that I really hope this moronic rolefishing discussion is over.
@Skull
: Claiming any sort of negative utility passive role (Hated, Miller, etc.) is standard. This permits the town to decide whether a policy lynch would be appropriate and simply makes the town aware of critical info. You pushed for MORE information than was provided. We were told that Orc is hated. That is all. You were fishing for more info about the role, when Orc told us only what we needed to know. He made the right play; you rolefished needlessly. If Orc had actually told us everything about his role, there would have been no need for you to ask any questions about it. The fact that answers to your questions would have required that more information be provided by definition means you were rolefishing.

Frankly, I hope that you get vigged tonight if not lynched today because you are either scum or a lying, misrepping town. Whichever you are, you should not be alive for very long.


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Post Post #753 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:02 pm

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In post 744, sangres wrote:but I think you're wrong about pieguyn.
And I think you're horribly wrong about Metal Sonic being town (hint: he isn't)
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Post Post #754 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:07 pm

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I've been horribly wrong in thinking Metal Sonic was scum before so I'm kinda headshy in that respect.

so, I'm in an expansively pinhole-camera mode tonight. Help me understand why Metal Sonic can't be town?
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Post Post #755 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:11 pm

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Check my post at the end of the last page.
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Post Post #756 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:15 pm

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End of page 29 I mean
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Post Post #757 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:22 pm

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Man, I'm glad that I don't matter.
Wish I could emulate this in my scum-games.
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Post Post #758 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:27 pm

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O hai!
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Post Post #759 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:33 pm

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In post 753, Venmar wrote:
In post 744, sangres wrote:but I think you're wrong about pieguyn.
And I think you're horribly wrong about Metal Sonic being town (hint: he isn't)

And you know this...because?
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Post Post #760 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:36 pm

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Clearly Venmar likes bullshitting his neighborhoods. These are his first four posts in ISO. Obviously not random votes.
In post 67, Venmar wrote:Metal Sonic what do you thin of AFB
In post 140, Venmar wrote:That flashwagon actually was one of the worst things i've seen.

Vote: Metal Sonic
In post 41, Venmar wrote:
vote:angry frat bros
In post 361, Venmar wrote:I still really like my vote >.>

Yeah apparently Venmar gets reads faster than mastin,wow

Mastin how do you feel about being slower in making reads than Venmar????
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Post Post #761 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:37 pm

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That was sarcastic by the way. I've been clear about mastin making fast-and-shoddy reads. Venmar is taking this over the top
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Post Post #762 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:56 pm

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I swear you have played with me before to know i develop reads extremely fast...

OH WAIT YOUR SCUM ROFLMAO
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Post Post #763 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:07 pm

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In post 741, sangres wrote:
In post 736, Venmar wrote:yeah i just got hard ignored.
I've been scumreading you, but your last few posts have had more of a town feel to them.
I don't think they do =(
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Post Post #764 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:07 pm

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And your first votes were on both your neighbors? Why happened to love thy neighbor? Apparently you don't have the generous spirit, so I'm being proactive in kicking you out.
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Post Post #765 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:14 pm

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It is worth noting, though, that I don't see ahypothetical scum neighbor benefiting from going after their neighbors... that would make them look worse once said hypothetical neighbors flipped town.
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Post Post #766 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:18 pm

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In post 765, Cephrir wrote:It is worth noting, though, that I don't see ahypothetical scum neighbor benefiting from going after their neighbors... that would make them look worse once said hypothetical neighbors flipped town.
1525 says otherwise.
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Post Post #767 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:22 pm

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'Lynch 1 town'

Oops! I was wrong! The other guy must be scum then!

'Lynch other town'

Oops! That means all our neighbors were town! I'm sorry!




Anyway, if I were scum, I'd gladly trade my life for 2 mislynches, then let team carry
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Post Post #768 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:23 pm

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What is this 1525 that your refer to , cabd?
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Post Post #769 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:27 pm

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In post 768, Metal Sonic wrote:What is this 1525 that your refer to , cabd?
Mini 1525; Tales of the Abyss Mafia. Completed mini theme.
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Post Post #770 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:31 pm

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But Cabd I started Tales of the Abyss today, I still can't go in there! :(
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Post Post #771 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:36 pm

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In post 770, Cephrir wrote:But Cabd I started Tales of the Abyss today, I still can't go in there! :(
TL;DR mac-scum came out the gate swinging at the two townies of the hood, fuzylogic said it was a masonry, nacho was ambivalent.
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Post Post #772 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:12 pm

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Post Post #773 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:53 pm

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In post 501, Kazekirimaru wrote:Why don't you bother to read scumgames of people whose scumgames you're unfamiliar with?
Two factors, basically. First being laziness, the second being that I question the usefulness of doing so in the first place--second-hand meta is no substitute for first-hand experience.
In post 514, Venmar wrote:I think mastin is town. I'm quite sure this isn't his scum play.
While I appreciate the vote of confidence...why? I mean, I can understand some other players townreading me, but you're not among the ones I'd expect. My memory of you is that quite frankly, it took a ton of my power to make you stop scumreading me last time.

Orcinus becomes more town on page 21, by the way.
In post 539, Flandre Scarlet wrote:In regards to my last post not feeling genuine- (not really looking for sympathy, just explaining)- I'm trying to mask my playstyle (PL the metadodger) as well as get a feel for where I fit into the machine.
(By the way, basically the only reason I haven't figured out who you are is that I've put zero effort into trying. Your posting's really damn familiar, and that means your style even on an alt is shining through and I remembered it. I'm just not bothering to figure out why. :P)

Cephrir's 576 is horribad, by the way.
In post 584, Cephrir wrote:I don't know how I feel about this development.
Well, regardless of pie's alignment, you're scum. Pie's probably a scum bodyguard*, but not certainly so. However, even though I'm reasonably certain his claim's fake, it's not something I'm lynching today.

(*No, not really a scum bodyguard, as interesting a role as that'd be. :P Pie is likely scum fakeclaiming bodyguard.)
In post 598, Cabd wrote:...I don't even pieguy. I don't fucking even.
If pie's town, Cabd might be scum.
In post 607, sangres wrote:Agree. And the outburst/claim comes off kinda townish to me.
Not to me, but I'm letting it pass for the time being.
In post 609, Varsoon wrote:Gotta sheep Kaze
VOTE: Pieguy
I don't think Pie's the kinda guy to fake-claim, but Pie has a tell that I'm relying on and right now it has me pinging scum there.
Too sick to sleep. God this sucks.
Regardless of pie's alignment, this is town. This is not scum bussing; this is not scum jumping onto a wagon on a PR. This is town, through-and-through.
In post 616, Cabd wrote:Well that pretty much confirmed pie's slot as town, as much as I hate alignment-indicative replace outs.
I see it as genuine and not faked, but that doesn't equate to town. I'm treating the act as a null-tell because the wording was, well...it felt like it could have been talking about a scum PM filtered through an attempt to have a town PM, if that makes sense.
In post 631, Flandre Scarlet wrote:Vote on mastin pending votecount. I agree with Cabd re: the replace out.
Yep. This slot's scum.
In post 684, Venmar wrote:I'll probably end up being the only one who thinks Pie is still scum cause her post wasn't town bitching it was her as a player in general bitching. You people are gullible and ate it up for whatever reason, failing to realize it wasn't exclusively from a town perspective at all, but "omg pie threatened to leave the game SHE IS SO FUCKING TOWN HOLY SHIT AMIRITE". Whenever a player throws an AtE tantrum, tries to replace out, but then stays when people tell them to stay, they should either not fucking play this game again or they are just scum. The last time i've seen a player do this THEY WERE FUCKING SCUM.
(For the record, I do lean town on Venmar.)
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Ceph's scum, Metal Sonic's *probably* scum, and pie/Cabd will be sorted out. Varsoon's town, though.
In post 763, Cephrir wrote:
In post 741, sangres wrote:
In post 736, Venmar wrote:yeah i just got hard ignored.
I've been scumreading you, but your last few posts have had more of a town feel to them.
I don't think they do =(
In post 765, Cephrir wrote:It is worth noting, though, that I don't see ahypothetical scum neighbor benefiting from going after their neighbors... that would make them look worse once said hypothetical neighbors flipped town.
Yeah, you're scum.


Oh god. I just realized something--
I'm nearly impossible to lynch as scum, except when it comes to the players who know me well and have that high accuracy at reading me...and even then, they often have trouble. This extends to my mislynch rate as well, with my death via rope being quite uncommon.

Scum also tend to have a healthy respect for me, causing me to get nightkilled early-on a fair amount of the time. And it gets better--often, people sheep me quite easily, despite me giving little to no reasoning behind my pushes. Additionally, when I *do* give logic, it is typically crazy. (Plus, I say some pretty insane shit.)

But to top it all off? I also have a fondness for VCA, and of stubbornly pushing things. Yet it gets even better. I get the impression that in my town games, increasingly, I'm either amazingly right or amazingly wrong.



...I think I'm turning into DGB.

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Post Post #774 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:32 am

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venmar wrote:I'll probably end up being the only one who thinks Pie is still scum
i resisted the urge to write an essay detailing why i think not only was pie's claim fake, but pie's ate was fake as well

but theory and current game state; it's not happening today, we can revisit it like D4 when pieguy has magically been unable to protect a single player.
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