Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.10

RobW (L-2):

Nachomamma8 | RayFrost | emeraldemon

ika (L-4):

Rob W

bjc (L-3):

Lynch Me Bro | TierShift

emeraldemon (L-2):

bjc | Sakura Hana | ika

Not Voting:

No one

The deadline is in Feburary 3, 5:00 PM EST.
Deadline counter: (expired on 2014-02-03 17:00:00)

[TierShift]

I just wanna hear from emerald once more before driving him up to a claim...I'm not really convinced so far.

[emeraldemon]

Wow OK.

I'm here, I have real-life work to do today but I will be around to answer this thread.

So I'm at L-2, does anyone want to ask me anything? Or tell me why I'm scummy? Sakura, ika, bjc? The only question I've gotten so far is "Why Rob?"

We are running out of time, but I'd really rather not claim if I don't have to. is there any chance of a Rob W lynch today? Yes, Rob W could maybe just be lurking, but I've soured on the bjc lynch.

@tiershift did you read my last post directed at you? Any comments?

[emeraldemon]

I'm takling about 558

[ika]

Wow OK.

I'm here, I have real-life work to do today but I will be around to answer this thread.

So I'm at L-2, does anyone want to ask me anything? Or tell me why I'm scummy? Sakura, ika, bjc? The only question I've gotten so far is "Why Rob?"

We are running out of time, but I'd really rather not claim if I don't have to

. is there any chance of a Rob W lynch today? Yes, Rob W could maybe just be lurking, but I've soured on the bjc lynch.

@tiershift did you read my last post directed at you? Any comments?

if your not vt, best to do so now with such a short leash of the timeframe atm. i know this sounds scummy as fuck, but idc atm. if you want to be porductive. come and give us info. beathign around the bush isnt going to help at this time. if this happened earlier i might think otherwise but i have work soon as well.

also what you think about teir? why are so many things directed towards him and not everyone?

[ika]

why do you direct question towards certain individuals and not a group standpoint?

[emeraldemon]

I think a question directed generically to a group is less useful than a question to a specific individual.
1) People who don't want to answer can get away with it easier
2) My questions can be tailored to exactly what I want to know about that person

I'm trying hard to sort tiershift, which is why I'm asking him 1-on-1 questions. I'm also trying to get him to engage me and stop shouting about bjc, which I've already said I found unproductive. I wish I could get a strong read on him, he's leaning scum to me b/c I feel like he was trying hard to townread/defend me (not 100% scumtell given our history, but suspicious) and I would expect his reads to be more flexible if he were town.

But if you're here I have a question for you also: did you really get anything from that long analysis of the read lists? You concluded that tiershift was most scummy, then voted me, then voted bjc, then voted me again. What's going on?

[bjc]

I may be willing to compromise with ED if ED can convince the town to vote TS.

[emeraldemon]

Just to clarify about the history thing:
My first game I was scum and tiershift townread me pretty hard which helped me win. I think he replaced into this game specifically (or at least partly) to play me again and see if he could sort me correctly this time.

[emeraldemon]

bjc and ika let me ask you, what do you think about tiershift's read on me and how it's progressed this game?

[ika]

I think a question directed generically to a group is less useful than a question to a specific individual.
1) People who don't want to answer can get away with it easier
2) My questions can be tailored to exactly what I want to know about that person

I'm trying hard to sort tiershift, which is why I'm asking him 1-on-1 questions. I'm also trying to get him to engage me and stop shouting about bjc, which I've already said I found unproductive. I wish I could get a strong read on him, he's leaning scum to me b/c I feel like he was trying hard to townread/defend me (not 100% scumtell given our history, but suspicious) and I would expect his reads to be more flexible if he were town.

But if you're here I have a question for you also: did you really get anything from that long analysis of the read lists? You concluded that tiershift was most scummy, then voted me, then voted bjc, then voted me again. What's going on?

gameflow is what happened. i got the info that i needed for the most part. as you can see mt ts wasnt getting momentum so i had to ditch it for others. i would bring it back up the next day to try to start it again. i understand the 1-on-1 question with some but some of your post you directed towards the active ppl when they could be general asked.

also whats the trouble with terishift and sorting him? if you are having so much trouble why didnt you join me in voting him and give me momentum i need.

I may be willing to compromise with ED if ED can convince the town to vote TS.

im down for that consider my vote already on it. i almost feelike he could be white-knighting at this point (if im thinking of the right phrase, ic/se can correct me if wrong)

[Sakura Hana]

Nacho, i know you're around so please come here and give me your thoughts and stuff.

[emeraldemon]

also whats the trouble with terishift and sorting him? if you are having so much trouble why didnt you join me in voting him and give me momentum i need.

Fair enough.

VOTE: tiershift

Who's white-knighting who?

[ika]

teirshitft has been white knighting players by acting all hesitant on everyones lynch but bjc.

i may be gettin gthe term wrong but its not a term we use on our site so its kinda aliended to me

[ika]

or at least that what it feels like

[Sakura Hana]

White Knighting = Protecting a player from attacks from other sides could be done as either alignment.
Chainsaw Defense = A scum player protecting their scumbuddy from its attackers.
Buddying = A scum player helping a town player to get on their good side (town players do it too but it has a different term iirc).

Those are all the friendship-like terminology i remember to help you out there.

[Sakura Hana]

Chainsaw Defense = A scum player protecting their scumbuddy by attacking its attackers.

EBWOP: Messed up the description here a bit.

[ika]

White Knighting = Protecting a player from attacks from other sides could be done as either alignment.
Chainsaw Defense = A scum player protecting their scumbuddy from its attackers.
Buddying = A scum player helping a town player to get on their good side (town players do it too but it has a different term iirc).

Those are all the friendship-like terminology i remember to help you out there.

ya i think white knighting is what im prob thinking of, however his play of it seems scum induced

[ika]

anyway.

VOTE: TierShift

i want to drive a lynch on this lets go again

[ika]

also im going to point out my stupid scumym stuff so others cant point it out. and allow ic/se to give some imput on elaborating on it.

my swapping votes so frequently, i am aware i have dont this like all day on this day 1. but its my playstlye and what i do for most part. if you want to lynch em for it go ahead.

im willing to move votes back and forth atm between those 2 unless someone else has someone in mind and a reason why.

[TierShift]

Right, I was saying that between 407 and 478 you dropped from 4th to 2nd. It doesn't matter now.

I'm going off of 505 because it's the last time you stated your case completely I think. These are the things I think are bugging you.
(1) sheeping: bjc sheeped hard in the early game, everyone knows it and he admits it. He played the early game very casually. But there is a town motivation for pushing wagons to generate content. It's not as good as actual pressure, but it's something.
(2) pushing Rob W: I think you're a bit off on this, as I said, he never voted Rob W. Where's the sheeping there?
(3) "Survivalism": 365 and 369 are actually consistent with the behavior of a town PR I think. Not saying he is one and I definitely don't want to force an early claim (and that's why there shouldn't be an early intent to hammer), but certain types of town players get panicky when they are close to a lynch.

You and bjc have been fighting a lot, and honestly it's generating more heat than light. My advice for both of you would be this: Take a step back. Even if you're sure he's scum, look around for his scum partner. Don't get caught up in OMGUS.

Okay, lemme respond to this.
1. His sheeping didn't generate anything at all, while making it seem like it did. He's done little to move this game forward but has been pretending he has.
2. He didn't vote robw, but he definitely told all his attackers to move to robw, for reason 'I'm active and he's not and we all have the same chance of being scum'.
3. Putting away scummy things as PR behaviour is awful.

I have been taking a step back and also been considering you as a serious suspect. But as far as I can see, you and bjc are not buddies. Bjc still stands out as scum to me way more than you do, especially after your last posts.

Your hardcore scumreading of me due to disengaging you is something that is a town analysis in every aspect and I would say you do a better job at helping us forward with the little you have posted than with all the crap bjc has posted. You seek reasoning behind what someone's doing except of just scratching the surface. Now what I'm asking of you is to not only do this on me, but also on the other players.

I have emerald as strong town again and you can all go deal with it.

Saying that I'm WK'ing him however is preposterous.

I want a bjc lynch badly and if I'm not getting it I might be okay with a robw lurker lynch.

[ika]

I want a bjc lynch badly and if I'm not getting it I might be okay with a robw lurker lynch.

Why are you ok with a rob lynch? is your reason lurk? do you have some real reasoning for once?

[Sakura Hana]

Wasn't he against a robw lynch somewhere in the thread because he was just lurking and it wasn't a scum tell yada yada yada no info obtained yada yada yada?

Or was that someone else.

[ika]

Sorry then.

Fwiw your rob vote is weaker, do something with your vote. What do you think your vote on rob will accomplish?

At this point? Lynching scum.
It amazes me that everyone else apparently thinks that there's a chance of this guy being town.

He's null and you aren't gonna convince me otherwise on the basis of 4 empty posts.

Ray's post is good stuff and explains well what I was trying to get across regarding the analysis of the lists.

Now, if Rob were actually playing this would be a good idea. But he isn't, so, let's justhope he gets replaced real soon.
How do you suppose this worksif rob isn't around?

Also, 6-8 sentences total or per person?

WHY OH WHY ARE YOU SCUMREADING THE LURKER?

enough of your survivalism play. at this point your play is becoming more hindeirng to me then helpful if your town.

......... Okay. Whatever, someone hammer me so I can play in a different newb game.

^
Does this look like survivalist to you?
And if his play is hindering you then you're effectively pushing for a policy lynch, now that i finished reading im thinking on bjc as more town. Maybe because I've been in his position before.
Also Ika leaning more scum =/

Don't even try to insinuate 608 is not very very easily fakeable by scum.

That said, bjc doesn't look like it's gonna happen and emerald is, so I'll switch over the next few days if bjc doesn't start picking up votes again.

servral of his post and opinion about rob when i did a quick scan of ios over the course of the game

[ika]

post 589

is the biggest tell tale to me imo, its fresh from today