Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I stand on ground.

I thought your uniform was all about flight?

Touché

[Sakura Hana]

Well it seems im not going to find any more info tonight so i might as well sleep.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Well it seems im not going to find any more info tonight so i might as well sleep.

I'm around but I think you're done with me so go ahead?

[zMuffinMan]

Reading these, hang on.

and while i'm thinking about it, another thing of note about imperishable night is that i actually intended to have both my scum buddies as strong town reads for the entire game (see anything i said about them in the early game) and i only switched to bussing after it became obvious who the one-directional lover was.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Reading these, hang on.

and while i'm thinking about it, another thing of note about imperishable night is that i actually intended to have both my scum buddies as strong town reads for the entire game (see anything i said about them in the early game) and i only switched to bussing after it became obvious who the one-directional lover was.

You wouldn't have bussed bro if wayne and I had role-swapped?

[zMuffinMan]

we might have eventually (because of the nature of bro's role) but it wasn't by any means a priority. at the time i was worried about you because cross game meta (note we killed you off in marketplace around the time you died in imperishable night)

[GoodCop_BadCop]

cross game meta

The one true downside of playing multiple games at once, I tell ya.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

So what exactly would you like to do now, muffin?

[zMuffinMan]

todo list: reread how D1 panned out later tonight

(plus i'm waiting to see what people say about what's happened recently)

[GoodCop_BadCop]

(plus i'm waiting to see what people say about what's happened recently)

That much ought to be interesting.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm gella srn

[Nachomamma8]

MUFFIN WHATSGOOS

[Nachomamma8]

MUFFINWHATIS GOOD

[Nachomamma8]

Excuse me mr. Muffin, what is good this day?

[Messiah Complex]

Well, dipshits, I'm still flipping town.

We can lynch me today instead of the day before lylo but here's the conditions:

1. You speedlynch the fuck out of muffin and nacho subsequently
2. You realize jaquen isn't worth the slot he's in and subsequently ignore him and his opinions the rest of the game
3. DId I mention speedlynching muffin?
4. You make peace with the fact that you're lynching me over the same logic muffin is using to clear himself.

Cabd later claims he just saw a bunch of votes and was "racing for the topic lock" and this is the shit he chose to say first?

Fuck no.

'Un CC'd tracker with a flipped scum ninja"
"Un CC'd bulletproof (with no true doc claim) with a flipped scum strongman"

And yet nbody sees the issue with this logic?

He sees all of the votes on him but not Mac's claim, even though Mac's claim falls right in the middle of the wagon that built? This is scum flailing.

Also, if sakura is town, which I'm about 50-50 on, I take great pride that her supposed perfect ability to read me isn''t worth the paper she writes it on.

SCUM FLAILING

Huh. News to me. Still town though, so it doesn't really matter. You're still speedlynchiing muffin tomorrow.

SCUM FLAILING

yeah, you're not town

you'd be trying to figure things out now if you were town

instead you're pushing the same tired line

Vote: GCBC

Yeah I wake up at 5PM after sleeping off being up vomiting till 6am, see a metric fuckton of votes on me, I kinda proceed under the assumption that I'm already dead and racing for the lock.

And this is where he damns himself. Does anyone really believe that 3456-3460 are the product of a town-Cabd who thinks he's already dead?

And excccccuse me, princess, for not being that motivat6ed when the mod-confirmed town village idiot has posted a sign to my back that says "free win for scum in LYLO"

Like, this doesn't even serve a purpose except to excuse his shitty play. I refuse to believe town-Cabd would let an IC with a bad read affect him this much.

His scum MO is hard busing, and hard busing early.

~Him and nacho to DP in marketplace
~Him to like half of his team when replacing into death's diner
~Him to Bro in bork's touhou mini
~Him right here in this game to gaiden

I'd ask you if you even read Muffin's "push" on Gaiden, but something you say later makes it pretty clear that you hadn't.

Look at the sheer confidence with which he led the swing onto gaiden day one. Then look at it again assuming he was informed in advance. Then compare that to his sudden drive in those other games. Day two of touhou. Day... 2 or 3 of marketplace. The day he replaced into death's diner.

This is the one. The "sheer confience???"

It's a worthless mislynch, but it's a shot in the dark

yep

this game would be better without Gaiden in it

yep

U are ou t of your fucking minds if you think gaiden has more of a chance flipping scum than varsoon

nope

Unvote
Vote: Gaiden

I'm not switching. the gaiden wagon looks really scum driven and the Varsoon wagon looks town-driven (although this is positional) and it makes me think gaiden is a scum-driven counterwagon to Varsoon. add to that how easy gaiden is to lynch considering he's been a giant lurkfuck and his wagon is skeevy is fuck

i'm on gaiden purely as a counter-wagon to varsoon. i dislike the idea of a gaiden lynch less than i dislike the idea of a varsoon lynch. there's like <4 hours left to get >8 people agreeing on a wagon that isn't either of gaiden or varsoon. it's probably not happening.

i'll be around~ish til deadline either way

@cabd

i don't even think gaiden is all that likely to flip scum and he could very well be town

but varsoon isn't scum here


@jaqen,

half the players you listed don't have a scum read on GCBC

Wow, such conviction!

Why did you go against Varsoon D1 when only him and Gaiden were possible lynches. What from Varsoon pinged your radar? You also went towards him with a lot of confidence, and i would understand that if you were scum with how much you love daychat. From what i recall most of your posts by the end of D1 were like "OMG VARSOON'S SCUM LYNCH HIM ALREADY, IF YOU DONT YOU'RE SCUM" or things like that.

With a mason claim on the board and them NOT saying who their partner was, I had no intention of lynching anyone in their town reads lest that be the partner. Hence my post... saying that. As for varsoon he and I never get along, I guess? Like I always read him as scum, but usually lack the motivation to call him on it. And he was showing patterns very similar to what he did in Xenogears, where I beat him in 3p LYLO. (Also I'm still not convinced day one wasn't two scum wagons with varsoon having a better night action; but that's more a 10%ish theory than anything concrete.)

So a funny thing happened in the course of making this post. Absolutely none of this is true! Let's start with the last bits first: Varsoon's play here doesn't really resemble his play in Xenogears at all to me. I'd love to see what "patterns" he's shown that are similar. And the notion that Varsoon and Gaiden were both scum with Varsoon having the better night action is fucking incomprehensible. #1 Gaiden flipped Strongman Encryptor, #2

Varsoon was self-voting. Why would he be trying to sacrifice himself if he had a better ability?

Now the main course: Pie thought Gaiden's opening was scum and was leaning on YOUR townread of him:

for now, I'll townread Tsukasa. he's being proactive early and there's also a ton of defiance in his posts that I tend to attribute more to a town mindset. I especially noticed it here

P.S.

It's way more helpful if you vote me.

That was I know you're VI

and there's others
I'll also townread Lush Life for being obvtown and legitimately townslipping re: Jaqen. also bubbajack for being proactive early. I'll also townread Kaze bc I can't read him for shit and I tend to pick up on a lot of shit from him and I get the feeling if he was scum he'd be more careful and I'd pick up less
morph's frustration re: mollie feels town but idk if they'd get frustrated as scum plus I'm paranoid as fuck about them for practically no reason =.=

townblock: me, Kaze, Lush Life, bubbajack, Jaqen, Tsukasa

@Cabd:

are you all sure of Gaiden town? I wanna be sure he can't fake that opening as scum > <
why is Kaze town?
what's your thoughts on Kise?

@borkjiffymollie:

are you still having reservations about Kaze town?
what's your opinion on Kise?
why the vote on morph?

@Kaze:

same question about Gaiden. also, why is zmuffin town?

Why the FUCK would Mason-Pie need to express doubt on his potential mason partner Gaiden when you (and others, apparently) were giving him a free pass to townread him without making a fuss?

Oh yeah, he wouldn't.

then one of the other "main" leaders of the gaiden quickwagon day one is scum. At least one player on that early shot KNEW the result in advance.

Why does it have to be this way? I consider myself pretty good at reading Gaiden even when he fluffs and lurks, and if I can do it I don't why someone else wouldn't pick on what I've picked.

The speed and traction smelt informed. I remember hawkie doing a big post about it back on day two.

This entire track is retarded. Why on earth would the scum chose to deadline lynch their strongman encryptor when Varsoon was

self-voting

??

that time line is messed up a bit?

amaranth didn't post til after ffery had already left (like well after)

Then maybe I am mis-remembering. I'm kind of avoiding that entire fight best I can mentally. digging it up once more will bring no good. Not to mention I feel terrible discussing it with neither party around to speak for themselves.

SCUM. FLAILING.

UNVOTE:

I want time to talk this out, anyways.

PE: Sakura yes, but not in the same way, really.

This is the part where you explain how they are different.

I want to lynch bubba~

So do we, but not today.

@cabd,

outside the nacho one, most of your other reads are in line with my own.

This is true yes.

IF you're town (and the way you're being stubborn here is making me think this could be possible)

I am but my stubbornness has nothing to do with it.

i think there's a very good chance saki is scum (recent posts about me being third party were really awkward)

He is, I don't disagree, but would a hypothetical me-scum make him town?

and dram's probably scum, too.

Once again, yes, probably, but I don't see how me being scum would make both fo these town magically?

so let's talk about your read on me. you have this idea that my behaviour towards gaiden looked like standard bussing i do.

I do, yes. Even you have to admit that of every game of yours that I've been town to your scum, you've hardbussed at least once.

i'm telling you that if you've ever read any scum QT of mine in any of the games i've bussed a scum mate, you'd know how far off you are (i wouldn't bus like that for no reason).

This is very debatable. I've read through a scum QT or two of yours and don't get the same indication. Care to link specific QT posts for what you're trying to state?

and the other reason you seem to think i'm scum is because lush's vote on me at the start of D2 looked like crumbing a guilty.

You know if I had a really good alternate theory for how night one's roles went down I'd stop this here and now, but I've yet to see anything epic convincing to the contrary.

but they unvoted me with like no resistance to pursue an AD lynch, and nacho is pointing out that mollie does not play like that with a guilty and is perfectly fine with outing a guilty.

I fully admit part of this is probably related to my self-perceived inability to read you and the self-perpetuating hope that mollie sorted you via the mod so that I don't have to; but surely you you realize that this post kind of gives me a mini alarm bell too given you made a post kiiiinda along these lines to pie in marketplace and won him over, right?

is there any other reason you think i'm scum?

Hawkie's VCA, if you'd like to re-walk that path be my guest and let's talk about it.

has this back and forth done nothing to change your mind?

Somewhat, hence my unvote and wish to sort this out more convincingly, but even now I feel like neither of us two should be anywhere near lylo.

Maybe it's just me, but even the formatting of this post is scummy. The only reason I can think of to respond to each sentence in an individual quote box is to discourage people from reading it.

tl;dr:

Vote: GoodCop_BadCop

- Des

[pieguyn]

inb4 zmuffin and GCBC are both scum and they're pulling the bus of the century

[Kise]

sorry guys i might replace out cus 15 pages

love you all tho and hope to play with again in thwe future

[Mac]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Muffin

I read the start of the d2 posts finally, and I see that this is a guilty. Both bork and mollie went from bork not mentioning muffin in his reads too much to wanting to lynch him, and mollie swapping him into her scum pile to lynching him with fire.

I don't care for the argument that they wouldn't have voted AD with a guilty on muffin since all three heads made it perfectly clear they would also vote ActionDan if the wagon gained speed, which it did. Furthermore, the "mollie would out it" argument is also shit since she is in a hydra with two other people who play differently to her.

tl;dr points are moot, read lush posts, muffin probably scum.

I don't know where this leaves me with cabd/nacho atm, will find out.

[Mac]

IS DAN ACTUALLY SCUM????

When I floated the idea of dan the kill cop catching ninja CoK being wrong because CoK flipped ninja, people said that Dan could see CoK

could

kill, not that they

had

killed. Well, Dan seems to argue with that

Well I'm remilia. 2 shot kill cop.

CoK killed last night

The fact still remains that he "caught" a ninja killing. It doesn't happen.

[zMuffinMan]

Youir statement was "If GCBC town, then X and Y scum" so from what I read it as, you were only saying they were scum fi I was town

missed this earlier

i'm working off a poe list similar to yours - my thoughts on them have nothing to do with you

Excuse me mr. Muffin, what is good this day?

what's your opinion on what's happened?

Both bork and mollie went from bork not mentioning muffin in his reads too much to wanting to lynch him, and mollie swapping him into her scum pile to lynching him with fire

how much of the thread have you read? bork thought i was scum most of D1 (but he thought pie was scummier than me, presumably until pie claimed mason) and mollie also thought i was scum for most of D1 (read literally every post she wrote about me D1).

I don't care for the argument that they wouldn't have voted AD with a guilty on muffin since all three heads made it perfectly clear they would also vote ActionDan if the wagon gained speed, which it did

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[Mac]

how much of the thread have you read? bork thought i was scum most of D1 (but he thought pie was scummier than me, presumably until pie claimed mason) and mollie also thought i was scum for most of D1 (read literally every post she wrote about me D1).

had a brief skim of their iso and you are going to have to sell this to me.

bork thought there was one scum in a group of 3 including you, that was how much he referenced you during day one at most in regards to being scum. mollie campaigned for it early on but went cold on the idea towards the end of d1, she had a vig/scum list, cant remember which, but it didn't include you - you were an afterthought in her mind (hence why she said maybe)

you are caught scum.

[zMuffinMan]

Otherwise, there is scum in the muffin/kagami/pie group even if I can't figure out which of them it is.

take this bork quote, for instance, and consider that pie had claimed mason and kagami looked pretty town, then consider the fact that mollie had me as a scum read for almost the entire D1, and it's not difficult to tell they talked about me over the night phase and concluded i'm scum. they were fine with unvoting and going after AD because they weren't sure of me. think about it. you hydra with mollie, you should know how she plays. do you think she'd back off like that if she was sure i'm scum?

[zMuffinMan]

like, how can you not see the obvious conversation?

bork: i still think there's scum in this group {pie, muffin, kagami}. pie's claimed mason, kagami looks town
mollie: i think muffin could be scum, too
*talking ensues*
voila

[zMuffinMan]

also see 788, 1694, 1770, 2056 or like... any post mollie ever mentioned me (i'm prob missing a few)

[Mac]

she didn't back off though. she said she was fine we either lynch. multiple times.