Open 541 - Too Many Heads Mafia (Game Over)

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

That was guyett

[Si and Am]

Mala, I'm aware that I replied to your questions while you were away. You're back now, so...?

My town meta read on Rach is actually stronger than anything I have on you. Based on playing scum with you, I'm leaning toward this being your town game instead.

Rach, do you think PFR/Guyett actually thought they were self-hammering?

SG, what did you expect to happen?

--PA

I read them, but they didn't do anything for me? Not sure why. I have to reread them again

Fair enough with Rach.

[Si and Am]

Thanks for retardely claiming when it wasn't fucking needed nor the best approach. Fuck a random NK would have better information than a confirmed town.

Mastin you replaced a three headed hydra which posted one liners through out the game.
I'm 95% percent sure your slot is scum. 95% sure because of reasons.

Funny, 'cause I'm pretty sure that this is a scumpost from you.

VOTE: Si and Am.

Mastin, why do you assume your predecessor provided content?

My predecessor is made up of players I know? I can pretty much guarantee that by day two, they're going to have posted content.

I like Stuffed's claim. Let's lynch Mastin.

Let's not. Not until I get caught up, anyway.

Anyways I think the scum team is [PFR] + [Mastin/YU] + [???].

Bring it on

VOTE: PFR

Lets see just how good your reads are

~G

Yo, AP (yes, I know, not an AP post; I don't give a damn; I'm talking to him despite that ), you're town. I'm town. Let's lynch some scum, 'kay? What do you think of Si and Am?

but, Jiffy was killed, and even weirder, Tammy wasn't. What I think this means is
A) Tammy is scum
or
B) Someone feels confident enough to push Tammytown as scum
or
C)Someone thinks they link Tammy being alive to Marascum
with the Jiffy Kill, it's either

A) a strategical kill to try and place a mislynch on someone
or
B)a low information kill

Good analysis, but it seems like a lot of these things aren't mutually exclusive, and that there's another option missing: The scum fearing the faith healer on Tammy. Did that possibility factor into your analysis?

I want to hear Jesus's thoughts on the game when he catches up.

Largely winging it for the moment. I do intend to catch up, but other places are of a higher priority overall.

Funny cuz it's not. I rather have had a random NK for information rather than randomly have a confirmed town killed. The best stragetry imo was for SC to wait before claiming.

I'm sure you aren't town.

@Mara:

I'm still not seeing Mastin's slot as town. with a three headed hydra I expected more out of them and not a lot of one liners.


Also guys if I'm lynched in LyLo i'm going to be incredibly pissed so please if you want to lynch me do it before LyLo because I'm sick of being a mislynch.

[Generically Purple]

but, Jiffy was killed, and even weirder, Tammy wasn't. What I think this means is
A) Tammy is scum
or
B) Someone feels confident enough to push Tammytown as scum
or
C)Someone thinks they link Tammy being alive to Marascum
with the Jiffy Kill, it's either

A) a strategical kill to try and place a mislynch on someone
or
B)a low information kill

Good analysis, but it seems like a lot of these things aren't mutually exclusive, and that there's another option missing: The scum fearing the faith healer on Tammy. Did that possibility factor into your analysis?

Nope, I did not :/

[Generically Purple]

I have a light

town read

on PFR,

I think the scumteam is

SG (

PFR

, Mala/rach, M&M, RBD) at this point in time.

Congratulations! you have spotted a contradiction. what are you going to do about it?

I'm still not seeing Mastin's slot as town. with a three headed hydra I expected more out of them and not a lot of one liners.

and yet, I feel better about him than I do about you.

[Malakittens]

Well it's not my fault you are in full stubborn tunnel fuck mode.

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

I have a light

town read

on PFR,

I think the scumteam is

SG (

PFR

, Mala/rach, M&M, RBD) at this point in time.

Congratulations! you have spotted a contradiction. what are you going to do about it?

Continue self voting because I'm a fearless motherfucker
~G

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

I'm going drinking and I suspect AP is in a gutter drunk already so it's a bad idea leaving our vote where it is. I'll pop back in occasionally and the standard of my posting will substantially decrease rapidly.. might even get some hydra slips in there for fun.

Anywho
VOTE: Generically Purple

[Athenas Fury]

I'm on my iPad so I'm not going to mess with people's walls but

Mara - You're right I don't PR hunt when I'm scum unless I see an obvious crumb. For instance in Red Wedding, I noticed that mollie had left what looked like a vig crumb, so we ended up killing her for that. I don't necessarily kill who I'm afraid of. I kill confirmed town or who I can't hide behind and then threats. I have left people alive that I'm *afraid* of when they didn't seem to be a threat (and one time when that happened, they turned out to be my traitor so it was all good!). BUT I also tend to prioritize my team and always expect to be lynched before anyone else, so I usually argue for who will be a threat to others on my team and don't worry about me first or foremost. None of that really matters here though.

I expected mollie to be killed, but modkills, so. I didn't really think much of the Majiffy kill. Cabd's way of replacing out looked kinda townish; I know that someone brought up his replacing out for being compromised when scum so it wasn't certain, but usually when someone replaces out after being compromised it's looked at as a town tell. I don't like playing with Majiffy, but gods does he make a lot of noise and when he's wrong he's like hollatunnelyhella wrong, so that would have been a hard call for me; I didn't shed a tear upon seeing his death though.

Though as far as me, I've only been a night kill night one once on this site, and once or twice on night two. I've been healed a lot on the early nights, and then the healer usually suspects me for not dying which is always fun, but I tend to not get targeted for a kill until night three or four.

~~~

I'm don't know how to feel about rancid right now. I like the stepping back because he feels like his reads are bad because of thinking stuffed crust was scum when he's obviously not. I think everyone's checked in since the claim, so that's pretty much near confirmed now. But ftr I have been accused before of coming across as forced when town, usually it's at my other site though. My mood influences my games more than anything.

~~~

Still meh on Mastin and would really like for him to explain his town read on PFR. I would probably be more skeptical on that than I am right now except when we were partners in Anything Goes he went after AP hardcore so I know he's not afraid of AP as scum, so that can't be it. Need to see more from him though and am hoping he catches up soon. I don't know much about the pieguyn head as I only have one finished game with him, but I remember thinking that he sounded kinda fake. I don't think he posted much. TNE tends to post more and try to do more townie things when he's scum, or at least that's my experience. I think that Mara feels somewhat comfortable reading him though BUT in chef mafia I think I had to beg her to vote him on day one. But GiF is weird. He was definitely around on site and I know from following f-11 that he is more than capable of being aggressive and pushing things when scum, and I know from jebus' game that he's sometimes lurky as town, BUT he was also my scum partner in Red Wedding and he said he was going to lurk for the first couple of days, and he did lurk most of day one before just replacing out, so yeah Mastin needs to post.

~~~

I'm gonna try to re-read through some of this tonight/tomorrow and hopefully Fishy will get back to me in the meantime.

[Athenas Fury]

*I remember thinking that Pie sounded kinda fake in our other game. I don't' think he actually posted in this game, which is problematic in and of itself.

[Athenas Fury]

*GiF was my partner in Red WINE. Geeze.

[Generically Purple]

Because of this ridiculous setting snd how you can't Jump to the end posts easily I'm writing this blind again.

Spell in errors be damned too.

Athena's fury getting PMS attitude on me just stops me giving a shit about working with them, so they will have to deal with mara.

Si and am backed off us without ever explaining their reason for reanalysing their read on us.

THEY. ARE. SCUM.

[Athenas Fury]

Generic - This is when I HATE fucking playing with you. This is just like We the purple all over again. I wasn't calling you scum. I was trying to work with you and though you buddied the fuck out of me in the beginning of that game you started acting like the biggest piece of fucking shit that ever disgraced mafiascum AND you are doing it again. I fucking hate it like shit when you start playing like this. I"M laughing at you that you don't know how to read me because you plagued and mocked the fuck out of me in We the Purple when I was reading you as town and trying like hell to get Nacho to listen to me. But NO, you couldn't see clearly. The only ONLY thing I have said here is that I'm laughing my ass off that you don't know how to read me. As far as your hydra. I think you're town. And if you would bother reading anything I've said, you would know that. So, you want to stop spouting bullshit that you don't know what you're talking about any second? But I mean sure, let me "deal" with mara cuz I sure as shit fucking hate dealing with you.

[Si and Am]

The main scum read was primarily Mala's read, BUT based on more interactions she doubted that read and became convinced that Rancid was correct and it was T v T tween Gen/Mara and us.

Which we BOTH firmly agree with, that Rancid hydra is a town read.


Mara and Gen give it a friggen BREAK already bah.

~ Am

[Generically Purple]

SiAm, do either of you see where my vote is ATM?

Neither of you have answered any of the stuff I've brought up, which, Ironically, was the reason why mala was scum-reading me in the first place. Despite this, I've left you alone for the greater half of this day, and have focused elsewhere

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

SiAm, do either of you see where my vote is ATM?

I was actually thinking of joining ye, but I be a lazy scoundrel and have not yet read stuff. Will be making this game a priority (given looming deadline) after a snooze in me cabin.

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

Mastin is town
~G

[Generically Purple]

Generic - This is when I HATE fucking playing with you. This is just like We the purple all over again. I wasn't calling you scum. I was trying to work with you and though you buddied the fuck out of me in the beginning of that game you started acting like the biggest piece of fucking shit that ever disgraced mafiascum AND you are doing it again. I fucking hate it like shit when you start playing like this. I"M laughing at you that you don't know how to read me because you plagued and mocked the fuck out of me in We the Purple when I was reading you as town and trying like hell to get Nacho to listen to me. But NO, you couldn't see clearly. The only ONLY thing I have said here is that I'm laughing my ass off that you don't know how to read me. As far as your hydra. I think you're town. And if you would bother reading anything I've said, you would know that. So, you want to stop spouting bullshit that you don't know what you're talking about any second? But I mean sure, let me "deal" with mara cuz I sure as shit fucking hate dealing with you.

Yeah, certainly reads like you are laughing.

Not at all like a tantrum. And you nearly cost town the game in we the purple, so thanks for bringing that example up. I had two of the three mafia identified on their claim.

But carry on telling me how it's all me. Cos you are coming across not at all emotionally unstable again.

You got a calm head in that hydra I hope, cos nacho saved it last time for ya.

[Si and Am]

Well it's not my fault you are in full stubborn tunnel fuck mode.

Because of this ridiculous setting snd how you can't Jump to the end posts easily I'm writing this blind again.

Spell in errors be damned too.

Athena's fury getting PMS attitude on me just stops me giving a shit about working with them, so they will have to deal with mara.

Si and am backed off us without ever explaining their reason for reanalysing their read on us.

THEY. ARE. SCUM.

We aren't scum. Our 1v1 is bad for the town if we are both town. We're town; I'm trusting Mollie's read on you along with the fact things Mara has done;plus behaviors I'm thinking you are probably town.

This 1v1 is a distraction and it's pretty damn apparent. We stopped engaging each other and long behold ACTIVITY. We engaged in the 1v1 and it just revolved around us so this is why I'm thinking it's a tvt rather than svt.

SiAm, do either of you see where my vote is ATM?

Neither of you have answered any of the stuff I've brought up, which, Ironically, was the reason why mala was scum-reading me in the first place. Despite this, I've left you alone for the greater half of this day, and have focused elsewhere

Yes congrats your vote is on SG. I didn't read much into the NK when it happened. I questioned it to myself if it relates to Tammy-scum, but then I wondered if someone could be setting her up.

[http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5621140] this is why i disagreed with you having the slot as obv town because I was paranoid of the kill a bit.

I can see your case on SG, but if i were to possibly call her scum. it's something totally unrelated to this game besides the fact her activity level and more closely related to a finished micro.

SiAm, do either of you see where my vote is ATM?

I was actually thinking of joining ye, but I be a lazy scoundrel and have not yet read stuff. Will be making this game a priority (given looming deadline) after a snooze in me cabin.

Mastin is town
~G

[Si and Am]

oh fuck sakes. I forgot about those last two quotes.

1.

Why the change RBD?

I'm guessing this is Nati though, right?

2.

Why PFR?

[Mhork and Mindy]

Mhork's been snowed under with IRL stuff, so y'all get to deal with me...

I don't really think ETL would stoop to such a low level and use AtE the way she did as scum

I don't know about it being a low level, but I've seen ETL inject AtE into her scum game. My first game with her was Micro 250 where she played up her negative emotions about the set-up and at least put on emotion. (same game has scum-Guyett being...erratic)

After he self voted, he posted the image and said enjoy LYLO tomorrow, so that did seem like he might have been trying to self hammer.

I wasn't self hammering.. there's a fucking VC on this page!!!

So keeping in mind that there is absolutely no way PFR thought they were self-hammering, what's your current read on them? (to Mala and Rach both)

Mala (I assume) what do you have to lean toward SG-scum? I know I don't read her all that well based on Medical Mafia, and I don't have anything more than a very weak gut read that something's off. Mhork was trying to explain what he saw before life interrupted, but we didn't reach any useful conclusions.

Athena, you say you're not sure about RBD--pirate speak aside, I'm getting a good town vibe. What's keeping him out of a town pile for you?

Point A being likely could also be a means of someone who is strong, but no one knows is strong, pulling off a plan that takes advantage of everyone here knowing everyone and just sitting back and watching the show. Squirrel fits this bill perfectly, and considering the points I had when town reading her are no longer viable, and that town read has gone stale I will say this

the only person I have as near conf. town right now, everyone else is a scum candidate.

with all this in mind, Squirrel is likely to be scum, and maybe RBD. I don't think he was self-hammering, there is a VC here on this page, he is able to see it himself, and he is able to see that he is no where near L-1. I do not like how the mastin wagon is growing, and is quietly getting backed up. I also do not like Mala's vote on him

I think the scumteam is

SG (PFR, Mala/rach, M&M, RBD) at this point in time. I have thought this over, and I don't think mastin is scum, but is getting pushed by scum which would mean M&M is likely, and Mala/rach is less likely

I'm really not following your logic here. Part of it is that I think something's missing from the bolded section of the quote to indicate who the near conf-town is to you. But I'm also not tracking your argument on SG at all from the rest of your post. You mention her as a possible NK option if town, and then nothing until she's your strongest scum read.

--PA

[Si and Am]

I don't really like PFR. I'm leaning scum.

It's something to do with Medial Mafia, but it's more the lurking and passiveness I see in regards to the play. I just think SG would play more proactive and be more invested.

[Athenas Fury]

Generic - This is when I HATE fucking playing with you. This is just like We the purple all over again. I wasn't calling you scum. I was trying to work with you and though you buddied the fuck out of me in the beginning of that game you started acting like the biggest piece of fucking shit that ever disgraced mafiascum AND you are doing it again. I fucking hate it like shit when you start playing like this. I"M laughing at you that you don't know how to read me because you plagued and mocked the fuck out of me in We the Purple when I was reading you as town and trying like hell to get Nacho to listen to me. But NO, you couldn't see clearly. The only ONLY thing I have said here is that I'm laughing my ass off that you don't know how to read me. As far as your hydra. I think you're town. And if you would bother reading anything I've said, you would know that. So, you want to stop spouting bullshit that you don't know what you're talking about any second? But I mean sure, let me "deal" with mara cuz I sure as shit fucking hate dealing with you.

Yeah, certainly reads like you are laughing.

Not at all like a tantrum. And you nearly cost town the game in we the purple, so thanks for bringing that example up. I had two of the three mafia identified on their claim.

But carry on telling me how it's all me. Cos you are coming across not at all emotionally unstable again.

You got a calm head in that hydra I hope, cos nacho saved it last time for ya.

Not then no, the first post which I can only assume you were referring to.

And you giving your take on we the purple shows you have no clue. I was fighting FOR you in we the purple. I wanted to lynch cabd and was arguing you were town. You started mocking me for town reading you and bring to chicken to vote you in lylo when I was trying to get nacho to take another look at cabd. After you behaved the way you did, I told nacho I was done fighting for you and he could go ahead and lynch you, that's why he said I was your last hope. But he read through the stuff I had said about cabd and realized he was scum.

I know that I retracted this after we the purple but I mean it now, please never ever sign up for a game I'm in. I have no desire to ever play with you again. Please don't respond to me again in this game. I will not be apart of another distraction in this game.

[Si and Am]

Vote Count 2.5

Athenas Fury (2): Paranoia Fueled Rampage, Stuffed Crust
Rancid Broderick Drake (1): Athenas Fury
Paranoia Fueled Rampage (1): Mhork and Mindy
Mhork and Mindy (0)
Stuffed Crust (0)
Squirrel Girl (0)
Yggdra Union (1): Squirrel Girl
Generically Purple (0)
Si and Am (1): Generically Purple
mastin2 (0)

Not Voting (3): Si and Am, Rancid Broderick Drake, mastin2

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Day 2 will last until (expired on 2014-02-02 20:00:00) from now

Okay almost less than a day.

Pretty obvious we need to consolidate wagons. (obv this isn't the accurate VC since it's from last page.)

I'm willing to:

VOTE: Squirrel Girl

We need to figure out who we are lynching so we don't end up no lynching this day phrase.

[Athenas Fury]

On iPad again so not messing with walls.

M&M - some of their interaction with me felt off, like the way they were expecting me to look back at wagons or Scumhunt in a way that doesn't make sense with what they know of or think of me. I also felt like they were selective scumhunting in regards to me. Tbf some of it could be clouded by annoyance. Sometimes when someone frustrates me or is pushing me in a way that drives me nuts or feels wrong and not genuine to me, I tend to think they're scum. I have had scum tunnel on me before and push the angle that my emotions are fake because I'm scum so sometimes that just sends up red flags to me. However, I like the willingness to step back when I think tunneling on me would be easy to continue doing and wouldn't get him much flak.