Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Kise]

On other news, I'd like to know where you're standing too, or if you dont wanna tell me that, at least who you'd like dead today.

I've never been a fan of GCBC so he's a lynch I'm okay with. Bubba is still an okay lynch. dram is the only VT claim I see being scum. That said I'm kicking my feet up, observing the back and forths between muff & gcbc for now.

Mac is kinda dead tonight isn't he? If only I could give him a vest to use the same night, we'd never die. I'm pretty sure muff is town. Making a ninja as a red herring is wasting scum's power against masons, cops, rolecops, and whatever claimed roles are actually town-sided. I also don't think there was a mafia ninja just for lil ol me since I give delayed stuff.

@MOD, does follow work on ninjas?

Also I'm calling Varsoon as jester! Seemed like he wanted to be lynched over Gaiden D1 but he's a cool guy so let's make him stay.

[Kise]

MOD, does follow tell the player if their target performed a kill?

[Katarina LeBlanc]

inb4 Kise, Messiah Complex, Bubba scum team.

The lack of any other innate item for other claims are suspicious >:o

[Yukari Yakumo]

No, and yes.

[Kise]

I was told the predetermined item is what gets stolen, so my inventions don't count. I guess.

Follow 2 stronk.

vote dan

[Sakura Hana]

Except Dan is a gunsmith-like character, not a nerfed follower.

He checks whether someone can kill overall, not whether everyone did a kill action that night.

[Sakura Hana]

Which means Nacho should be like conftown atm?

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Well I'm remilia. 2 shot kill cop.

CoK killed last night

[Kagami]

Which means Nacho should be like conftown atm?

Nacho is not conftown, but he's definitely likely town through his role. Given that Lush potentially did not make an investigation and AD probably could not have used his motivation, there is enough evidence that the motivator is not town aligned that I wouldn't call him conf-town.

[Nachomamma8]

ffery and mollie had a fight, ffery left

then cabd and mollie had a little back and forth, and nacho was saying he didn't intervene in this one

Except Cabd was talking about the former all the time, and i have found that quite obvious... So should have Nacho.

I knew.
I also pointed out that I didn't intervene in the later fight either and explained why.

Cabd, you're done interacting with Sakura. Care to answer some things? I'm still waiting on why the Amaranth business matters in the least bit and I'm waiting on why you think ffery wouldn't replace out as scum. You can also make a town case on her if you'd like.

[bubbajack8]

And you CRUCIALLY left out Majiffy's town read on you, and then him saying "His reads were all wrong"

right. and i also left out majiffy's scum read on you, majiffy's scum read on MC, majiffy's scum read on serene, majiffy's town read on gaiden, etc, and then him saying his reads were all wrong. but since mac was talking about bork and mollie's read on me, what's your point?

And you left out that you Know Majiffy would scream a guilty at the top of his lungs. My point's you're scum.

Just a thought: If we're going to use MC to confirm everyone... How do we keep MC alive?

[Nachomamma8]

Okay by "opening post" I meant his big one defending you.

3056 or 3058?

coz i could see him defending me like that as town or scum but there's nothing that looks scummy in that

or are you saying he's scum because you think i'm scum and you think this was him defending me?

Mostly the later, but his push on me right now feels like when scumnacho hones in on a good mislynch target and starts going wild.

You have seen me attempt to go for a mislynch before, you know.

[Nachomamma8]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Muffin

I read the start of the d2 posts finally, and I see that this is a guilty. Both bork and mollie went from bork not mentioning muffin in his reads too much to wanting to lynch him, and mollie swapping him into her scum pile to lynching him with fire.

I don't care for the argument that they wouldn't have voted AD with a guilty on muffin since all three heads made it perfectly clear they would also vote ActionDan if the wagon gained speed, which it did. Furthermore, the "mollie would out it" argument is also shit since she is in a hydra with two other people who play differently to her.

tl;dr points are moot, read lush posts, muffin probably scum.

I don't know where this leaves me with cabd/nacho atm, will find out.

I mean if you think AD and Muffin both got guiltied, then I can see where you're coming from but otherwise nope.

[ActionDan]

Jesus Christ. Do people still have trouble understanding plain english. This is how the role works: if someone kills N3. Then if I cop them N1 or N2, I'll get a negative result. If I cop N3, N4, N5, etc. I'll get a positive result.

[ActionDan]

Oh and nacho is obv town. He had no reason to motivate me as scum. Unless you believe we are scum together

[Mac]

well that's cleared things up a little because that wasn't very clear, what doesn't clear things up is how you can guilty a ninja, which is untraceable to kills

[Nachomamma8]

well that's cleared things up a little because that wasn't very clear, what doesn't clear things up is how you can guilty a ninja, which is untraceable to kills

Mac I love you I really do but what the hell are you smoking

[Mac]

not sure, I've been derping alot lately. but if you care to explain where I'm going wrong then feel free.

[Nachomamma8]

Ninjas cannot be seen. This means they are immune to watchers and trackers and followers and voyeurs; you will never get a result on a ninja that is of the form "player went here". They aren't untraceable to kills and have no further immunity past that.

[Sakura Hana]

Flavor wise i think i understand now.
Ninjas can kill without being seen.
If you kill someone you have blood on you from the kill.
Remi's a vampire so my guess is that she can smell blood fairly well.
Remi would know if that person has killed someone before regardless.

[Mac]

Ninjas cannot be seen. This means they are immune to watchers and trackers and followers and voyeurs; you will never get a result on a ninja that is of the form "player went here". They aren't untraceable to kills and have no further immunity past that.

Cheers, that makes alot more sense now!

[Saki]

i thought we agreed that flavor has nothing to do with role

[ActionDan]

The ability is actually called blood scent

And flavor and role are related according to op.

[Kagami]

i thought we agreed that flavor has nothing to do with role

Whoever said this has completely failed to read the thread.

[Kagami]

Oh and nacho is obv town. He had no reason to motivate me as scum. Unless you believe we are scum together

This is not entirely clear. If you had picked up your pm, you likely would have found that you couldn't investigate twice anyway. You are a 2-shot role who had already used one shot.

If lush were roleblocked or his investigation were tampered with, there's no reason to believe the motivator is town. The motivation on lush would have zero or negative pro-town utility, and the motivate on you had zero pro-town utility. The fact that you were motivated night 2 is more suspicious than not, I find it odd that nacho would not consider the possibility that his motivate shot would be completely wasted.