League of Legends (Old)

[AngryPidgeon]

Yes, but the logic for that doesn't make sense to me. It seems like you'd want one unless you just expect a very short game.

I recognize that this is not the case, but don't know why.

Think of it like this.

Gold items give you some average gold / minute income. If they gave you 1 gold / minute, they would be totally useless.

If they gave you 120 gold / minute, they would be op.

They are balanced such that, in general, its not necessary to get one if you have a stream of income. Not to say its ALWAYS not worth it if you aren't supporting, but its generally better to get bigger stats early on so you can be more of a terror and pressure people harder.

Is it bad that I miss the days of stacking HoG on everyone?

[AngryPidgeon]

This is 100% true and more people need to realize this. AS is the most worthless early game stat.

I build PD first when I play Janna AD.


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[MrZepher]

I think everyone misses HoG stacking. That item was pretty imba.

[TheIrishPope]

Gunblade's fine to build as long as it's not your first item. It won't give you the midgame spike Morde needs.
DFG is god.

thanks for the Trynd build and stuff
but regarding morde, what I do is:
start rejuvenation bead and a ward and pots
rush hextech revolver
and leave it at that until I do 4 or 5 items and then I do gunblade

[TheIrishPope]

also, last noob question (I admit I'm still a noob):
is swain worth buying right now?

[Maestro]

Should I be going Nashor's first on my AP Mid Kayle?

[AngryPidgeon]

also, last noob question (I admit I'm still a noob):
is swain worth buying right now?

Swain has never been an underwhelming champion.

Take that or leave it.

[AngryPidgeon]

I think everyone misses HoG stacking. That item was pretty imba.

Better yet, back when spin to win sunfire Garen was actually a thing.

[MrZepher]

@ TIP:
Doran's shield is better than rejuv. Go shield pot start instead until dorans gets nerfed and then take it anyways because it's still better than a rejuv bead. lol.
Revolver first isn't bad. Idk. I'm still experimenting with morde to see if you can get away with not building a revolver ever.

Swain isn't bad. He's just not a good pick into most comps.
His damage is all DoT so it doesn't do very much unless fights go for a very long time. The recent buff to his passive was pretty big because it lets him stay in fights long enough for his damage to be relevant, but it's still easy to shut him down even if he gets ahead. He's too reliant on the items he needs to do well.
I would wait on buffs before buying swain, or play him on a free week and see if you like him.

[MrZepher]

Listen to your gamer instincts.

If you think the enemy Xin is about to walk into your lane and that you should back up, just do it.
Never second guess your survival instincts. You won't die 5 times to random jungler ganks that way.

ugh.

[Maestro]

Should I be going Nashor's first on my AP Mid Kayle?

[RayFrost]

Usually.

[MrZepher]

mmmmmm lichbane is usually a first better buy overall.
I personally don't like nashors on Kayle, it doesn't feel like it does enough compared to just building ap and pen and trying to snipe squishies with lichbane.

[Maestro]

I LOVELOVELOVE the AS and AP tho, I think it synergizes well with the CDR you should (and which I do) build for her E

[mykonian]

@zepher. As far as I know, you are wrong. Nashors is pretty much standard first buy, it does too much for you in lane. It's your sustain, your waveclear, a substantial burst. All lichbane does is giving your more burst, it's a good item, but not the one you want to rush. In a lot of games it's a great second item, past nashors. I think even that is starting to become a solid core, that few deviate from.

My info is a bit dated, been a while that I played treeline seriously, but last year I tried to learn her for there (and played her now and then in other modes). The large majority of guides and pro builds was nashors first.

[quadz08]

I'm not a mathcrafter, but Nashor's seems to make obscene amounts of sense for Kayle's kit in particular. I don't know why you

wouldn't

pick it up first.

[Maestro]

kk just making sure y'all

I've actually been derping and not getting Lich Bane 9 times out of 10 - I usually build straight AP after Nashor's (going either cap/staff or glass depending on whether or not they're not building AD)
I'll go Bane next game I get the chance!

[MrZepher]

Myko's more than likely more correcter than me.
I should play more Kayle.

[RayFrost]

Kayle standard atm: nashor's, lich second item, other shit

these days I think lich is almost always second

[MrZepher]

yeah you guys are right idk what i was talking about.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Morde needs the bead/pots/ward start because he's extremely susceptible to ganks and he pushes lanes very hard. If he gets behind in lane he's pretty useless

[dramonic]

Brandi/Rayfrost/AP:

I've started playing supp Annie and she's pretty awesome, but I'm not sure how to round out my build.
Usually I go talisman -> sightstone/lucidity+wards -> ruby sightstone -> spooky ghost/armguard -> zhonya
Should I leave my 6th slot for pinks or build a GA or whut?
Maybe switch my boots to Sorc at this point and get my CDR from blue pot.

I want suggestions for when I can't mid .-.

[MrZepher]

Morde needs the bead/pots/ward start because he's extremely susceptible to ganks and he pushes lanes very hard. If he gets behind in lane he's pretty useless

dorans shield gives more regen than a bead and keeps him from getting auto poked
he gets a pot
and you have trinket ward.

I don't understand what's superior about bead other than you get to stay in lane for an extra level or two.
Dorans lets you play more aggro.

[quadz08]

I played support annie for the first time yesterday!

I totally failed at building her properly. Started dshield, went into coin > shurelyas, then went straight AP build (ROA, zhonya's, game over). Totally spaced on a sightstone cause I haven't played SR in a month or two. >_> But I enjoyed the play of it, and you can have a lategame impact on the game as a support more easily than with other supports, IME.

[Svenskt Stål]

I need to work on my mid lane play... playing squishy champions is something i just havent figured out.

So I am looking for someone to 1v1 with. I am like bronze 5 in this role.