League of Legends (Old)

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[Saki]

I was a bit too late in realizing that qq

[PJ.]

Only thing you need to memorize is how much BF Sword cost. Boom. Ad Carry easiest role.

@Maestro and any other new player in thread: Stop trying to have decent players teach you shitty gimmicks. Yes you can funny fuck someone into losing lane to you because they have no idea what they're doing but it's a lot better to learn the basic of the game and what you should be doing AND practicing a higher tier champ at the same time. THIS WILL GIVE YOU BETTER RESULTS. Gimmicks are for GOOD players. Not bad ones. Once you reach a base level of compeetency then you can give a gimmick a shot.

COMPREHENSIVE

BASELINE LIST OF CHAMPS NOOBS SHOULD BE PLAYING FOR PATCH 4.1

Top: Wukong, Nasus, Jax, Renekton, Dr. Mundo, Shyvana, Teemo,
Jungle: Amumu, Rammus, Vi, Fiddlesticks, Volibear, J4, Udyr
Mid:

Ziggs

,

Gragas

,

Katarina

,

Swain

,

Orianna

, Kayle,

Lux

, Kha'Zix
ADC: Jinx, Lucian, Sivir, Caitlyn, Tristana
Support: Leona, Thresh, Sona, Annie, Taric

STICK TO THOSE ~30 CHAMPS. DO NOT PLAY OTHER STUFF UNTIL THE NEXT PATCH AND YOUR GUY GETS NERFED. THERE ARE PROBABLY A FEW OTHER GOOD AND ESY CHAMPS TO PLAY BUT THIS IS A GOOD LIST THAT GIVES YOU A 2-3 TO CHOOSE FROM AT EACH ROLE.

no

the bolded champs
are extremely easy to screw up with

play Annie or LeBlanc mid or something do not even attempt to play something like ziggs/lux/gragas/ori if you're a "noob"

First off, Leblanc is not easy or good.

Second, Annie is inferior to all of those champs.

The point is giving people champs that are good but not overly difficult and champs that while they get good with them can master the basics of trading and positioning. Lux is GREAT for a beginner in mid because if you don't ward/position yourself properly, you're going to die a million times. After the millionth death, maybe the guy starts to grasp the concepts of how to play mid lane. It's the whole thing. Yes some of those champs are "tough"(note that LoL is a tremendously easy game and there are only 5ish champs that are actually hard to play)but for the most part they are both very strong and will help you learn very important basics, which is waaaay better then selecting someone that is a highlight reel champ like LeBlanc or Lee.

[chesskid3]

Darius and garen are not generically good tops. They serve a specific purpose (garen especially).


Darius and garen are not generically good tops. They serve a specific purpose (garen especially).

whats that

[MrZepher]

Good champs to learn have a low skill floor but a high skill ceiling. They're champs you can notice yourself get better at.

Annie has a low skill floor and takes like 5 games to master. She also loses
Leblanc has a high skill floor and a high skill ceiling.

orianna and ziggs also have the benefit of having strong waveclear.

Basically shut up saki.

[Saki]

Those champions I listed.

Their damage comes from non-targetted abilities (except for Swain).

Yes you can use their abilities to waveclear fairly easily.

But what good are they if they don't ever hit anything in fights?


Look at it like this: someone just started league.
Will they have an easier time playing Lux or playing LeBlanc?

Mediocre burst + shield/kiting utility with the drawback of skills being non-targetted or ez-click-to-burst lololol passive double dash?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Im surpriser morgana and malzahar arent mentoined as Easy mids

[PJ.]

Those champions I listed.

Their damage comes from non-targetted abilities (except for Swain).

Yes you can use their abilities to waveclear fairly easily.

But what good are they if they don't ever hit anything in fights?


Look at it like this: someone just started league.
Will they have an easier time playing Lux or playing LeBlanc?

Mediocre burst + shield/kiting utility with the drawback of skills being non-targetted or ez-click-to-burst lololol passive double dash?

You're bad and wrong. LB is a huge skillshot champ now cause chains do better damage then q.

@Kaleido, Morg > Ori I guess.

[Saki]

Good champs to learn have a low skill floor but a high skill ceiling. They're champs you can notice yourself get better at.

Annie has a low skill floor and takes like 5 games to master. She also loses
Leblanc has a high skill floor and a high skill ceiling.

orianna and ziggs also have the benefit of having strong waveclear.

Basically shut up saki.

Point out a few champions that have a low skill floor, a high skill ceiling, and are considered "good."


If you think Annie loses games I don't think you play enough games.
Easy burst with the safety of a stun?
Tell me that isn't strong.

LeBlanc has a high skill floor?
walk up to someone, DFG-Q-R-W?

[Saki]

Those champions I listed.

Their damage comes from non-targetted abilities (except for Swain).

Yes you can use their abilities to waveclear fairly easily.

But what good are they if they don't ever hit anything in fights?


Look at it like this: someone just started league.
Will they have an easier time playing Lux or playing LeBlanc?

Mediocre burst + shield/kiting utility with the drawback of skills being non-targetted or ez-click-to-burst lololol passive double dash?

You're bad and wrong. LB is a huge skillshot champ now cause chains do better damage then q.

@Kaleido, Morg > Ori I guess.

hitting chains isn't necessary for leblanc to get decent burst

hitting a lux snare is, on the other hand

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Point out a few champions that have a low skill floor, a high skill ceiling, and are considered "good."

Orianna...

[Maestro]

@Maestro and any other new player in thread: Stop trying to have decent players teach you shitty gimmicks.

It was a joke?
Don't be a prick?
I can do whatever-the-fuck-I-want-thank-you-very-much?
etc.

[PJ.]

@Maestro and any other new player in thread: Stop trying to have decent players teach you shitty gimmicks.

It was a joke?
Don't be a prick?
I can do whatever-the-fuck-I-want-thank-you-very-much?
etc.

KK stay bad. Don't listen to me. Call me a prick. Don't care.

[MrZepher]

ziggs orianna and gragas? Gragas has the highest skill floor out of those. Ziggs has the lowest.
I'd like to know how you think ziggs is hard. All you need to do is waveclear all game. If you can't skillshot minions then you're awful.

Morgana Heimer and Veigar? All super easy and straightforward champs.
All of these can shove waves and are pretty gank proof and can punish people who roam.

those are just mages. zed and fizz are pretty easy assassins if you want to go that route.
Leblanc hard counters like 3 people on that list. the rest can outplay her.

this combined with how you think ad carry is somehow this magic free win role gives me the impression that you don't actually know too much about the game.

Im surpriser morgana and malzahar arent mentoined as Easy mids

Malz has no escapes or ways to walk away from people if he positions incorrectly, and perfect positioning will never happen to anybody.
Compared to Morg who has black shield to keep people from ccing her down, or Heimer who has an aoe stun/slow.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

You need to learn how to poke with ziggs. Otherwise youre playing him wrong.
heimer and veigar are not Easy. Heimers turrets are easily destroyed and a wrong placed stun from veigar and hes dead. And borg telt heavily on farm to be good, which isnt that easy with them.

If you just farm and get back to turret with malz (which is easy because of his e). Youll basically freefarm and ult anyone who dares to towerdive you

[MrZepher]

and that play pattern is different from other mids how?

you don't need to kill the other laner to win the lane.

[TheIrishPope]

Orianna is probably harder than Gragas tbh

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

That's true, but as a new player you kinda want champs that farm Easy so that if you screw up and die, you're not immediately useless in a bronze game. And characters like morgana and malzahar do that way better then a heimer or veigar

[AngryPidgeon]

um ok mr. korean, not all of us grew up catching flies in chopsticks, doesn't mean you have to go around bragging about how coordinated you are.

9/10

[quadz08]

All I know is that DRK is my favorite

[RayFrost]

Also I dislike Trist just because there's not middle ground with her. It's either you fed or feed.

Saywha

Trist hits the precise middle ground between people like ezreal with insane poke potential in lane and strong escapes but relatively weak all in potential / late game scaling (note this is in comparison　to　the　other　side　of　the　spectrum)　and　people that are more geared toward late game presence and power but sacrifice the more massive lane presence of their competitors like vayne (kog maaaay be a better example).

[RayFrost]

My advice to everyone that is starting off is to play poppy.

If you manage to consistently win games on her, then you're probably able to play just about any champion just fine.

The hidden character that is the easy hard mode of league.

[Maestro]

@Maestro and any other new player in thread: Stop trying to have decent players teach you shitty gimmicks.

It was a joke?
Don't be a prick?
I can do whatever-the-fuck-I-want-thank-you-very-much?
etc.

KK stay bad. Don't listen to me. Call me a prick. Don't care.

dude, League or StarCraft 2 or a bunch of other games...I don't play them because I want try-hards breathing down every word I say about them, I play to fucking play. I know for a fact I'm not the worst out there but even if I was I play when I enjoy it and I quit for the night after 1 game if I don't and go play something consistently fun like Minecraft or CivV

[Saki]

Point out a few champions that have a low skill floor, a high skill ceiling, and are considered "good."

Orianna...

Someone who just started league fresh out of bot games can totally play Orianna.

ziggs orianna and gragas? Gragas has the highest skill floor out of those. Ziggs has the lowest.
I'd like to know how you think ziggs is hard. All you need to do is waveclear all game. If you can't skillshot minions then you're awful.

Morgana Heimer and Veigar? All super easy and straightforward champs.
All of these can shove waves and are pretty gank proof and can punish people who roam.

those are just mages. zed and fizz are pretty easy assassins if you want to go that route.
Leblanc hard counters like 3 people on that list. the rest can outplay her.

this combined with how you think ad carry is somehow this magic free win role gives me the impression that you don't actually know too much about the game.

Im surpriser morgana and malzahar arent mentoined as Easy mids

Malz has no escapes or ways to walk away from people if he positions incorrectly, and perfect positioning will never happen to anybody.
Compared to Morg who has black shield to keep people from ccing her down, or Heimer who has an aoe stun/slow.

Excuse-fucking-me if you didn't notice we were talking about champions that are easy to play for people who just started playing league I'd like you to notice now thank you very much.

Honestly if you think any of the above champions are good for people that just started league you have a horribly wrong impression of them.

You're using words like "skillshot" and "outplay" and "hard counter"
You're already way over the heads of people pre-25

And honestly, everyone I know (including me) has a higher win ratio with ADC and pretty much acknowledged that ADC is a failproof way to win.
Just because you're so fucking bad at playing ADC doesn't mean the role doesn't win, kthx.

[Venmar]

I would argue that Graves is an easy ADC to start with, but he probably needs the most positioning out of the person playing him, because positioning him in fights to dish out his Q and R while keeping yourself alive can be hard to master. In the current scene, Graves is a tiny bit outclassed by the current ADC's in some ways, but in my experience he's actually still very good, and any decent player along with a decent support can actually compete and defeat other ADC's like Jinx, Vayne, and Caitlin. I've had a pretty easy time against the latter two. His brute force in his Q and R, and fight control with W and E is very good if you know how to play him properly, and can shit on unaware ADC's.