Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

[Sakura Hana]

I'm just going to say I derped and forgot all about trying to sort ffery

This doesn't answer the rest of the post that this is supposed to be a reply to.

Explain how you differentiate between the koppi and bjc reads.

I may not read you as scum, but that doesn't mean I am going to let you get away with not replying to issues that people have with your posting.

I guess I forgot to answer this before, but the thing is im not dismissing anyone faking anything when i find stronger evidence, kop flipped his read on TS within 50 posts then said I was scum for flipping mine in like 200. If you read through those posts the initial reaction was me starting to feel him as town then again i get a scum feel from him.

[TierShift]

That isn't the point I was trying to make tho.
The point i was trying to make is that the post you quoted is a post i have made to give key points i remembered from the thread to pisskop.
I do have a tendency to sheep Nacho, specially when I believe he's town tho.

Would you stop hiding behind nacho please? Thanks.

VOTE: Tiershift

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wagons! \o/

Yes...what's up with that sheeping?

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wagons! \o/

Why are you voting with your scumread?

This.

In the meantime do you have questions for tier? He seems busy lately, but surely. . .

Like his earlier Rayfrost reads. I want them forward. restated or updated.

Rayfrost is town to me. His actions have brought this game forward and his reasons to vote come from a town mindset I think. He's been good at picking out flaws and keeping a cool head. I could elaborate if you want.

If I found juicey nuggets I would have shared them. I think his playstyle here is very open, and while looking over his specific choice of wording I get all tingly. one of my newer insights inti the game are choice of wording and how it changes under pressure. or if scuk popushing an angle. other than that yiu can have what I saved in a draft last night.

Spoiler:

I think that Tier may be using my slot a verification of his own, which is why he was okay defending it. I've stated something of the sort before. Another point is his pursuit on bjc. bjc has let him sit rather idle whilst looking like a scumhunter.

No, actually scum don't quickhammer on this site.

Saying I'm afraid to be lynched is pretty groundless your activity was worthless to me and I refuse to be lynched solely because of that and that's the last I'll say about that activity.

P-edit:
Fuck you get me paranoid about ed now...

o.o

Aside from that its all wifomy and Stuff.

I want a wagon on him, not to share my theories or to lynch him now.

Is this supposed to be a case or what?

TS > kop interaction could be buddying tho.

Uh...I'm buddying kop? Start reading this thread.

I'm just going to say I derped and forgot all about trying to sort ffery

How would you forget this?

In the hypothetical situation where bjc is scum for sure without a doubt with interactions akin to this game, there would have been, I'd imagine, a tipping point at which either bjc's buddy was attempting to consistently raise counterwagons (not just one, as consistently trying to push a single one could come across as scummy via the t.v. issue whereas finding things scummy for multiple people is more liable to be seen as active scumhunting and mere disagreement with the bjc wagon) or given up the ghost and gone for the bus. These wouldn't necessarily happen at the same time, but the simple fact that I haven't seen much evidence of people trying to subtly snipe the wagon's momentum or distract from the wagon itself or even a bus makes me inclined to feel that it's simply an issue of too many low hanging fruit for bjc to be lynched.

I try to understand this. So, because you haven't been able to drop any associative tells, you think that bjc is not scum?

I like this new guy's entrance.

What I don't understand is all the townreads that koppie has been getting all of a sudden. How did he go from flailing scum to obvtown? Can someone assemble a summary or something?

[GuyInFreezer]

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pisskop (L-1):

Nachomamma8 | emeraldemon | Sakura Hana | bjc

bjc (L-4):

TierShift

TierShift (L-3):

pisskop | RayFrost

Sakura Hana (L-3):/

fferyllt | Hayate Yagami

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[Sakura Hana]

What I don't understand is all the townreads that koppie has been getting all of a sudden.

Me neither, plus apparently ffery got a townread out of Rob's ISO, which is worrying me.

[TierShift]

In post 1206, Sakura Hana wrote:
TS > kop interaction could be buddying tho.

Uh...I'm buddying kop? Start reading this thread.

In post 1212, Sakura Hana wrote:
I'm just going to say I derped and forgot all about trying to sort ffery

How would you forget this?

Response to this?

[fferyllt]

Post 480 in particular. That "let you all down" comment is something I've seen before a few times. I didn't even have to read around the ISO to know where that was coming from. His previous comment said it all.

I consider rob to be a complete and total null. He was a non-presence in the game. The letting you all down comment could just as easily be apologizing indirectly to his scumbuddy or apologizing to everyone for forcing yet another replacement as it could be a townie apologizing to the townspeople about his inability to perform.

If Rob had, at any point in time, actually been present in the game I might feel more inclined to believe you could get a tell from this due to having a better grip on his personality, but given that I have written more than his entire body of work in my last post alone I find it hard to believe that you feel you have a reliable personality read on him to make the judgment call on which of the three potential situations it is.

This is not to detract from the obv-townness of pkipps but I feel the need to ask how you can truly express confidence in your ability to grab personality tells to make alignment tells from a series of 4 word posts

There is probably some selection bias in my track record. When I decide I'm looking for a town slot to replace into, I pass on the ones I feel are ambiguous. And one of these days, I'll be surprised when I get my role PM. It just hasn't happened yet.

But, I was looking for a town role, and I did think Rob was town based on my quick scan of his ISO.

I wish all reads were that easy, tbh. Once I'm in a game, objectivity takes a hit, and how I process game data changes.

[fferyllt]

What I don't understand is all the townreads that koppie has been getting all of a sudden.

Me neither, plus apparently ffery got a townread out of Rob's ISO, which is worrying me.

Is it now? What's worrying me is that you have a null/scum read on me, but had no questions for me at all until I called you on it.

[Sakura Hana]

Response to this?

then what's your read on kop, I could have sworn you said he was town...

What I don't understand is all the townreads that koppie has been getting all of a sudden.

Me neither, plus apparently ffery got a townread out of Rob's ISO, which is worrying me.

Is it now? What's worrying me is that you have a null/scum read on me, but had no questions for me at all until I called you on it.

Not going to comment on this for now, but if you manage to lynch me then i'm going to slap some evidence in your face about how you should know that I'm very likely to forget things like these and hope town lynches you the next day.

[RayFrost]

I try to understand this. So, because you haven't been able to drop any associative tells, you think that bjc is not scum?

What I don't understand is all the townreads that koppie has been getting all of a sudden. How did he go from flailing scum to obvtown? Can someone assemble a summary or something?

I think you mean "notice" instead of "drop" there. The answer in short is "I, like the wagon, have been unable to feel fully convinced that he should be lynched despite the many cases for it and so feel that at this point in time the lynch would be a bad choice"

I've been consistently reading him as town. The people who thought he was scum haven't been posting as actively as the people that think he's town. Which gives the illusion that he's getting a lot of townreads.

[fferyllt]

Response to this?

then what's your read on kop, I could have sworn you said he was town...

What I don't understand is all the townreads that koppie has been getting all of a sudden.

Me neither, plus apparently ffery got a townread out of Rob's ISO, which is worrying me.

Is it now? What's worrying me is that you have a null/scum read on me, but had no questions for me at all until I called you on it.

Not going to comment on this for now, but if you manage to lynch me then i'm going to slap some evidence in your face about how you should know that I'm very likely to forget things like these and hope town lynches you the next day.

It would be a bad thing for town to lynch me on day 2. But not as bad as later.

Under the assumption you're town and you're townreading Nacho, I thought you might be waiting for Nacho to show up and sort me.

This post suggests not. You getting huffy about me aggressively scumreading you doesn't fly so well after the Tales Mini.

[Sakura Hana]

I thought you might be waiting for Nacho to show up and sort me.

Why would i want Nacho to sort you? He's been townreading your slot while i've been scumreading it =/

[pisskop]

Is this supposed to be a case or what?
In post 1206, Sakura Hana wrote:
TS > kop interaction could be buddying tho.

Uh...I'm buddying kop? Start reading this thread.

would you be willing to.leave my wagon alone? I ultimately got what I wanted out of it, just not from you.

[GuyInFreezer]

Nachomamma8 have been prodded.

[pisskop]

im very okay with lynching hana. on my wishlist, after all.

[Sakura Hana]

you're very ok with lynching just about everyone >_>

[fferyllt]

I thought you might be waiting for Nacho to show up and sort me.

Why would i want Nacho to sort you? He's been townreading your slot while i've been scumreading it =/

Because you like to sheep him? Because he's usually good at figuring me out? There are some middle-ground cases where he wasn't sure about me for a while, but he hasn't flat out misread me since Xenologue.

Are you trying to distance from nacho?

[Sakura Hana]

Are you trying to distance from nacho?

Not really, in fact i wish he was here so he would stop this BS already, to me it seems like people are taking advantage that he's not around to disband wagons on me =/

Also i'm starting to regret not letting ika hammer kop.

[pisskop]

you're very ok with lynching just about everyone >_>

nope, and I can prove that in-game too.

[pisskop]

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[Sakura Hana]

^
Why the heck is this thing still alive seriously.

[fferyllt]

Are you trying to distance from nacho?

Not really, in fact i wish he was here so he would stop this BS already, to me it seems like people are taking advantage that he's not around to disband wagons on me =/

Also i'm starting to regret not letting ika hammer kop.

I'd like to hear what he thinks about the last 10-15 pages, including the reasons for the push on you.

You tend to attract wagons. I'm trying to figure out if the kerfuffle about your summary post to pisskop has decent basis. It's not something I would have jumped on you for. In fact I was townreading you until you shone a light on the fact that you weren't trying to sort a slot you think is scum.

[fferyllt]

you're very ok with lynching just about everyone >_>

nope, and I can prove that in-game too.

I'd like for you to do that.

[pisskop]

@pisskop
I am still waiting to hear why you hopped on my wagon.

info.

never intended to lynch emerald, but to drag him front and center for info.

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wagons! \o/

not superserious hands. i wanted tier to provide infos.

I hope you have an agenda. Im wiling to see where it goes.

wagons = info.
wagons = power.
wagons = as useful now as they were in RVS.
wagons = pressure, unless somebody calls them out like this.

I wagoned emerald and I think he's towny. Imagine Tiershift now . . .

again, wagons are info, pressure. you called me out. o never called tier scum here, I left you all (him mostly) insinuate it.

In the meantime do you have questions for tier? He seems busy lately, but surely. . .

Like his earlier Rayfrost reads. I want them forward. restated or updated.

I do want tge most competent case on Ray I can get. because I dont know scumRay. i wish I did . . .

i ask you for questions for tier, which nobody produces. so he answers my question about ray instead.



I had no intent of lynching emerald or tier. I didnt call tier scummy in my wagon post either.

as far as others, i havent voted for bjc yet, aside of rvs. nacho hs not enough evidence. lmb was too towny by most to be, and i had zero audience with him.

no, however nonsensical you percieve my actions they are focused on a few people and follow a pattern.

[fferyllt]

@pisskop
I am still waiting to hear why you hopped on my wagon.

info.

never intended to lynch emerald, but to drag him front and center for info.

Ok.

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wagons! \o/

not superserious hands. i wanted tier to provide infos.

Did you get what you were looking for?

I hope you have an agenda. Im wiling to see where it goes.

wagons = info.
wagons = power.
wagons = as useful now as they were in RVS.
wagons = pressure, unless somebody calls them out like this.

I wagoned emerald and I think he's towny. Imagine Tiershift now . . .

again, wagons are info, pressure. you called me out. o never called tier scum here, I left you all (him mostly) insinuate it.

Who is "you"? Me?

In the meantime do you have questions for tier? He seems busy lately, but surely. . .

Like his earlier Rayfrost reads. I want them forward. restated or updated.

I do want tge most competent case on Ray I can get. because I dont know scumRay. i wish I did . . .

This is my first game with Ray. So far, I'm seeing town mindset in his posts, particularly when he talks about the basis for his reads. But, he's an experienced player, and may be good at emulating town thought processes as scum. If we're both alive on day 2, I'll do a serious meta dive.

i ask you for questions for tier, which nobody produces. so he answers my question about ray instead.

I don't understand this. Who is "you"? And do you mean "questions for tier to answer"?

I had no intent of lynching emerald or tier. I didnt call tier scummy in my wagon post either.

Who do you want to lynch?

as far as others, i havent voted for bjc yet, aside of rvs. nacho hs not enough evidence. lmb was too towny by most to be, and i had zero audience with him.

no, however nonsensical you percieve my actions they are focused on a few people and follow a pattern.

p sure I haven't called your actions nonsensical. I'm trying to understand them. I'm used to playing mafia with people who use their vote similarly to what you're doing. It's actually a pretty common strategy. I use my vote sparingly by comparison, which I think makes my votes more weighty when I do vote.

[GuyInFreezer]

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