Open 538: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[anorway]

Deadline: (expired on 2014-02-11 18:00:00)

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Vote Count 4.6

[L-4] Lucky2u
[L-4] Thor665
[L-4] BBmolla
[L-4] EspeciallyTheLies

[L-3] Zekrom25

: Smudger

[L-2]

Smudger

: Lucky2u, Thor665

Not voting (3): BBmolla, Zekrom25, EspeciallyTheLies

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for about

(expired on 2014-02-08 13:00:00)

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[Thor665]

I said I do sound like a southern belle - the illusion holds.

[BBmolla]

I'm just kind of waiting for Zekrom post.

Considering confirmed town is voting Smudger and that I think ETL is town, I feel okay about Smudger-Scum atm.

[Thor665]

Well, it's always theoretically possible that Lucky is scum and Smudger is town - and, also, Zekrom, as his predecessor did, has opted to be generally anti-town thus far with his lurking.

It seems to be a new site standard of approved town play, if my other games are any indication.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

It seems to be a new site standard of approved town play

If smudger is town and lucky is scum, why are you assuming aptil is town with this statement? Who is Lucky's partner then?

[BBmolla]

(Thor is voting Smudger)

[Thor665]

It seems to be a new site standard of approved town play

If smudger is town and lucky is scum, why are you assuming aptil is town with this statement? Who is Lucky's partner then?

I don't understand what you're asking and I am suspicious you don't either.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I don't understand what you're asking and I am suspicious you don't either.

Thor, it's impolite to imply I'm stupid just because you don't get what I'm asking you.

(Thor is voting Smudger)

I know he is. I'm responding to the following post:

Well, it's always theoretically possible that Lucky is scum and Smudger is town - and, also, Zekrom, as his predecessor did, has opted to be generally anti-town thus far with his lurking.

It seems to be a new site standard of approved town play, if my other games are any indication.

First, you are discussing the possibility that smudger is town and lucky is scum. This leads me to believe that you don't believe smudger is partners with lucky. However, you follow this up by calling out zek for lurking,

and then refer to it as a bad TOWN habit

. So, I was asking why you are treating aptil/zek as town.

Except, isn't it also theoretically possible smudger is scum and lucky is town? But you don't talk about that. You mention smudger being town, and lucky being scum. So this makes me think you believe lucky is actually scummier than smudger - yet you are voting smudger. And going back to the first, if you don't think smudger and lucky are partners, then aptil/zek MUST be scum, except you obviously don't think so.

Would you mind clarifying your thought process/reads for me, please?

[Thor665]

Thor, it's impolite to imply I'm stupid just because you don't get what I'm asking you.

I wasn't suggesting you were stupid, I was suggesting it was a very badly written question.

First, you are discussing the possibility that smudger is town and lucky is scum. This leads me to believe that you don't believe smudger is partners with lucky. However, you follow this up by calling out zek for lurking,

and then refer to it as a bad TOWN habit

. So, I was asking why you are treating aptil/zek as town.

I wasn't doing any of this. What I was doing was discussing theoretical setups wherein the current vote situation didn't prove that Smudger was scum - him being scum with Lucky would not be one of those setups.
I also wasn't treating Zek as town, functionally my answer was pointing out, yet again, that the slot could be scum and that could be the failure for a quickhammer.

Except, isn't it also theoretically possible smudger is scum and lucky is town? But you don't talk about that.

Sure...but there would be no point to discuss that with what i was talking about.
I think I've even come out and listed Lucky as my top scumpartner candidate with Smudger.

So this makes me think you believe lucky is actually scummier than smudger

I do not think this, and all my other posts over the course of the day and my stated reasons for voting Smudger show that I do not.

Make sense?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Ugh. Okay. So I was getting all paranoid about BB/Thor. Trying to figure things out really, and thinking BB could still be scum with someone.. except I just ISO'd him for like the 3rd time and remembered why I don't think he is.

BB, somewhere around D2, it looked like you decided aptil was town and there was at least one scum among smudger/lucky - while boro and kalimar were still alive. Has your opinion of the aptil slot changed at all?

p-edit: Yes. And anyway my questioning of you is moot in this case. I was under the impression you felt aptil was more likely town than smudger or lucky.

ISOing aptil now...

[EspeciallyTheLies]

ISO'd Kalimar instead because idea. Think I found something on why Fusion died. ISOing Fusion now.

Also, noticed Kalimar is fond of buddying. I'd look in his null/scum reads for his partners (interestingly enough, doesn't mention smudger slot AT ALL, throws suspicion on aptil, defends lucky). Everyone he agreed with and defended has flipped town.

BB or Thor feel like double checking for me to see if I missed something else in Kalimar's ISO?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

FUCK. I don't know. I hate this game right now. Nothing jumped out at me from Fusion's posts. I'm back to thinking maybe BB is scum with one of {smudger, aptil, lucky} in that order of strength. Except he could have easily helped lynch another townie instead of Kalimar. He was already being townread, I don't see a reason to bus a partner there, but some people do and I don't fucking know BB's meta.



Thor is most definitely town, regardless of BB. Building from there. Again.

Lucky where the fuck are you?

Zek where the fuck are you?

I'll be back later; this isn't easy enough to be fun right now.

[Thor665]

p-edit: Yes. And anyway my questioning of you is moot in this case. I was under the impression you felt aptil was more likely town than smudger or lucky.

That is a correct impression.

[Lucky2u]

Someone call?

[Lucky2u]

Let me answer all your questions at once.

I am not scum.

Happy?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

No?

[Thor665]

Yeah, Lucky is working really hard to look scum, that is for sure.

[Lucky2u]

Yeah, Lucky is working really hard to look scum, that is for sure.

That's a weird claim to make. Why would I do that?

[Thor665]

I have no idea, I'm not you, but you are most assuredly doing it.

[Lucky2u]

Don't mix my sarcasm with sincerity and it makes more sense

[Thor665]

With such a pro-town performance I'm amazed you're confused about me making the observation.

[Lucky2u]

touche sir....

[Smudger]

Again there are other possibilities Thor

Scum could and would use WIFOM tactics to cover buddies. You agree that putting buddies in their null to scum pile is what generally happens. But then point out that Kalimar does not mention me. So what does he do, of the 3 unconfirmed left he only directly mentions Lucky in his read pile. He does not mention Aptil at all. Ok he attacks him as you point out in a desperate post, but that means nothing to me as again it could be a distancing tactic. Look at how many posts he makes overall and how active was he? Not much at all when you look at that ISO. I am town, a Doc

BB ETL and Thor, Lucky's push on Boro, what are your thoughts?

[Thor665]

I never read his push on Boro, so I have no thoughts.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I don't remember Lucky pushing Boro. I remember me pushing boro.