"I used to think you had this elegant-trolly, minimalist playstyle. Then I realized the playstyle is ~Lazy~
The true enlightenment was realizing that they are the same thing."
~fferyllt
"who the fuck fakeclaims Tracker like that
WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT"
~Alisae
Truly, the nick I should have chosen. Offtopic, I picked emeraldemon as my nick to play the first age of empires online as a kid, I liked green and I thought it sounded intimidating , I've used it for pretty much every game / forum I've been on ever since, so I probably won't change now.
In post 1199, Sakura Hana wrote:
My guess is that you didn't like when i was explaining to the ED what that post meant, which I still don't know why he keeps ignoring the fact that I was just pointing relevant stuff to pisskop?
In post 1204, Hayate Yagami wrote:How do you think that meshes with #608, where his attitude is suddenly the opposite: "Oh, lynch me, whatever?" In retrospect this feels kind of weird; ika pressures him to not act survivalistically, and thus instead he switches to the opposite?
Hmm... actually now that you mention it, it feels quite odd, when I came in bjc was already getting pressured anyhow and i just thought that if he was scum he would have self-hammered or claimed PR, what do you think about him wanting to get hammered instead of just ending the discussion himself right there? Maybe because ika was pressuring him and i was scumreading ika at the time (and im still on the null-scum realm for that slot, not in so much as TS or kop tho).
TS > kop interaction could be buddying tho.
I feel like you just claimed scum here.
@fferyllt
Sorry, could you explain what you see here?
On the path to becoming yourself, you'll need to choose alignment over validation from others, peace over addictive chaos, and being misunderstood over false acceptance. --TheHolisticPsychologist
In post 1139, Sakura Hana wrote:
That isn't the point I was trying to make tho.
The point i was trying to make is that the post you quoted is a post i have made to give key points i remembered from the thread to pisskop.
I do have a tendency to sheep Nacho, specially when I believe he's town tho.
Would you stop hiding behind nacho please? Thanks.
In post 1173, pisskop wrote:In the meantime do you have questions for tier? He seems busy lately, but surely. . .
Like his earlier Rayfrost reads. I want them forward. restated or updated.
Rayfrost is town to me. His actions have brought this game forward and his reasons to vote come from a town mindset I think. He's been good at picking out flaws and keeping a cool head. I could elaborate if you want.
In post 1191, pisskop wrote:If I found juicey nuggets I would have shared them. I think his playstyle here is very open, and while looking over his specific choice of wording I get all tingly. one of my newer insights inti the game are choice of wording and how it changes under pressure. or if scuk popushing an angle. other than that yiu can have what I saved in a draft last night.
Spoiler:
I think that Tier may be using my slot a verification of his own, which is why he was okay defending it. I've stated something of the sort before. Another point is his pursuit on bjc. bjc has let him sit rather idle whilst looking like a scumhunter.
Saying I'm afraid to be lynched is pretty groundless your activity was worthless to me and I refuse to be lynched solely because of that and that's the last I'll say about that activity.
P-edit:
Fuck you get me paranoid about ed now...
o.o
Aside from that its all wifomy and Stuff.
I want a wagon on him, not to share my theories or to lynch him now.
In post 1212, Sakura Hana wrote:I'm just going to say I derped and forgot all about trying to sort ffery
How would you forget this?
In post 1219, RayFrost wrote:In the hypothetical situation where bjc is scum for sure without a doubt with interactions akin to this game, there would have been, I'd imagine, a tipping point at which either bjc's buddy was attempting to consistently raise counterwagons (not just one, as consistently trying to push a single one could come across as scummy via the t.v. issue whereas finding things scummy for multiple people is more liable to be seen as active scumhunting and mere disagreement with the bjc wagon) or given up the ghost and gone for the bus. These wouldn't necessarily happen at the same time, but the simple fact that I haven't seen much evidence of people trying to subtly snipe the wagon's momentum or distract from the wagon itself or even a bus makes me inclined to feel that it's simply an issue of too many low hanging fruit for bjc to be lynched.
I try to understand this. So, because you haven't been able to drop any associative tells, you think that bjc is not scum?
I like this new guy's entrance.
What I don't understand is all the townreads that koppie has been getting all of a sudden. How did he go from flailing scum to obvtown? Can someone assemble a summary or something?
right now with tge amount of legwork you put in I cant say you or lmb are good.
which leaves me hana sakura( ), bjc. nacho. ive never hidden my distrust of nacho in this game.
p sure I haven't called your actions nonsensical
perhaps not, but this is a communication at least 8 others will read as well.
I don't understand this. Who is "you"? And do you mean "questions for tier to answer
in this case, You voted him, and I thought you intended to question him.
Who is "you"? Me?
I left you all (him mostly) *to* insinuate it
'you all' would include you.
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop. Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
In post 1253, fferyllt wrote:The hell? I explained it in 1209 and we've been going around ever since.
Ah, OK, makes a lot more sense now. For some reason I thought you saw some scumslip in Sakura's argument about bjc, or the TS-Kop buddying line, and was very confused about where you were going.
Do you think Sakura's emphasis on the replace-in statistics argument says anything about alignment? Do you think she would be more likely to make such an argument as scum (or town)?
In post 1193, RayFrost wrote:If you guys could read transparency tells this would make more sense to you. Pisskop's genuine as hell.
So help me out. Which posts of pisskop's are transparency tells? Is this a gut-feel thing, because I feel like you're very vague about what is townish in pisskop. See what I wrote about pisskop in 1130, I haven't seen anything particularly towny since then, but it sounds like you're telling me I don't know what to look for.
In post 1253, fferyllt wrote:The hell? I explained it in 1209 and we've been going around ever since.
Ah, OK, makes a lot more sense now. For some reason I thought you saw some scumslip in Sakura's argument about bjc, or the TS-Kop buddying line, and was very confused about where you were going.
Do you think Sakura's emphasis on the replace-in statistics argument says anything about alignment? Do you think she would be more likely to make such an argument as scum (or town)?
I don't know. I feel like the argument from anecdote is something that fits Sakura-town fairly well, and the statistics happen to line up with her personal experience. I had the impression it was Nacho who was pushing the statistical argument more strongly. In my readthrough, at that point I was actually thinking maybe Rob was going to be the player-slot that I finally got wrong when deciding to replace in. pisskop's play put that to rest.
Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.
On the path to becoming yourself, you'll need to choose alignment over validation from others, peace over addictive chaos, and being misunderstood over false acceptance. --TheHolisticPsychologist
hmm that's odd...
I'd think that it would be quite unlikely for both scum to be on my wagon at the same time, my current strongest scumread is pisskop and he's already here, my guess is that his partner is really TS who is just standing around and looking for a way to jump into the wagon, and what other good reason to do so than:
In post 1134, TierShift wrote:ED, I townread you because of stuff mentioned in 670 and I haven't even seen a half-decent argument to make me think you are scum. I find it weird that people are scumreading you and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong, but everytime I ask I get no answers.
Who are these "people"?
Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.
On the path to becoming yourself, you'll need to choose alignment over validation from others, peace over addictive chaos, and being misunderstood over false acceptance. --TheHolisticPsychologist
In post 1139, Sakura Hana wrote:
That isn't the point I was trying to make tho.
The point i was trying to make is that the post you quoted is a post i have made to give key points i remembered from the thread to pisskop.
I do have a tendency to sheep Nacho, specially when I believe he's town tho.
Would you stop hiding behind nacho please? Thanks.
^^ Hey Tier, do you have any idea why I don't like this reply?
In post 1173, pisskop wrote:In the meantime do you have questions for tier? He seems busy lately, but surely. . .
Like his earlier Rayfrost reads. I want them forward. restated or updated.
Rayfrost is town to me. His actions have brought this game forward and his reasons to vote come from a town mindset I think. He's been good at picking out flaws and keeping a cool head. I could elaborate if you want.
I want to check on something. This comment is a marker to remind me to report back.
In post 1191, pisskop wrote:If I found juicey nuggets I would have shared them. I think his playstyle here is very open, and while looking over his specific choice of wording I get all tingly. one of my newer insights inti the game are choice of wording and how it changes under pressure. or if scuk popushing an angle. other than that yiu can have what I saved in a draft last night.
Spoiler:
I think that Tier may be using my slot a verification of his own, which is why he was okay defending it. I've stated something of the sort before. Another point is his pursuit on bjc. bjc has let him sit rather idle whilst looking like a scumhunter.
Saying I'm afraid to be lynched is pretty groundless your activity was worthless to me and I refuse to be lynched solely because of that and that's the last I'll say about that activity.
P-edit:
Fuck you get me paranoid about ed now...
o.o
Aside from that its all wifomy and Stuff.
I want a wagon on him, not to share my theories or to lynch him now.
You defended the hell out of his predecessor without ever actually calling him town iirc.
In post 1219, RayFrost wrote:In the hypothetical situation where bjc is scum for sure without a doubt with interactions akin to this game, there would have been, I'd imagine, a tipping point at which either bjc's buddy was attempting to consistently raise counterwagons (not just one, as consistently trying to push a single one could come across as scummy via the t.v. issue whereas finding things scummy for multiple people is more liable to be seen as active scumhunting and mere disagreement with the bjc wagon) or given up the ghost and gone for the bus. These wouldn't necessarily happen at the same time, but the simple fact that I haven't seen much evidence of people trying to subtly snipe the wagon's momentum or distract from the wagon itself or even a bus makes me inclined to feel that it's simply an issue of too many low hanging fruit for bjc to be lynched.
I try to understand this. So, because you haven't been able to drop any associative tells, you think that bjc is not scum?
I like this new guy's entrance.
First sentence feels kinda like a slip.
What was your read on LMB?
What I don't understand is all the townreads that koppie has been getting all of a sudden. How did he go from flailing scum to obvtown? Can someone assemble a summary or something?
Which players called him flailing scum and then changed their reads to obvtown?
Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.
On the path to becoming yourself, you'll need to choose alignment over validation from others, peace over addictive chaos, and being misunderstood over false acceptance. --TheHolisticPsychologist
Guys I don't know if the deadline is gonna get extended again if Nacho swaps out, but I'm traveling most of tomorrow, I don't think I'll be able to post.
@fferyllt
I'll ask you the same question I asked ray: what am I missing about pisskop that makes him town? Are there any posts you can point to?
I believe thet refer to my honesty, my willingness to be frank even when it hurts my cause. like admitting i had no tiershift case but still tried to wagon him. which i explained I did for infos, but nvmt.
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop. Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
I could basically quote random posts from his first few hours in the game and call them all town.
I offered to replace into the slot and I was very curious to see how the player who did replace in handled himself. So, though I'd told GiF I'd replace for someone else if he needed it, instead of catching up on the thread in anticipation of that, I watched pisskop post. In real time. His posts were quick, staccato burst of energy hitting the thread, and for quite a while he was interacting mostly with bjc and ika. And through all of that IMO he came off town as fuck. There was no hesitation or appearance of pause to think carefully about replies.
When claim became inevitable he did exactly what a scum player up for lynch usually doesn't do and probably shouldn't do. If you're going down as scum, anyway, scum usually try to flush out a town PR by claiming something and seeing if someone counterclaims. pisskop claimed VT. That's not an ironclad town tell, but given the earlier play it looks pretty damn town.
The spoilered posts all struck me as transparently town.
In post 607, ika wrote:enough of your survivalism play. at this point your play is becoming more hindeirng to me then helpful if your town.
In post 608, bjc wrote:......... Okay. Whatever, someone hammer me so I can play in a different newb game.
^
Does this look like survivalist to you?
And if his play is hindering you then you're effectively pushing for a policy lynch, now that i finished reading im thinking on bjc as more town. Maybe because I've been in his position before.
Also Ika leaning more scum =/
it was a pure test to see his breaking point, he sat at l-1 for a very long time, and he continued to tryt o stall it out and push elsewhere. at first i thought it was flail scum, but his continued fight makes me think hes town. also his last post saying "fuck it lynch me" was all i needed to know to make me think hes town.
i still feel like there was survivalism play in it but it wasnt scum driven survivalism.
In post 839, ika wrote:i come back and see pisskop first few posts. im almost tempted to sheep him becasue i still want to see a bjc flip becasue it would also contain info.
i was reflecting back on this game at work and was tossing an idea around
ts/bjc are the scums
i cant be the only guy reading this, and iys not the first time hes flopped on a read based on current events. killitwithfire. and a rope.
vote: ika
In post 867, pisskop wrote:so explain them. apparently you are lynch material if Im joining a wagon, and long/frequent posts =/=town.
as far as nachos request I claim, wifom under the bridge. hes not town to me,and he would have reason to say that no matter his alignment. dont generate content where there is none to be had.
In post 871, pisskop wrote:Yea youd be stupid to lynch me without the rest of my reads.
In post 879, pisskop wrote:pedit. youll wait for my to finish or have my blood on your hands.
On the path to becoming yourself, you'll need to choose alignment over validation from others, peace over addictive chaos, and being misunderstood over false acceptance. --TheHolisticPsychologist
On the path to becoming yourself, you'll need to choose alignment over validation from others, peace over addictive chaos, and being misunderstood over false acceptance. --TheHolisticPsychologist
"I used to think you had this elegant-trolly, minimalist playstyle. Then I realized the playstyle is ~Lazy~
The true enlightenment was realizing that they are the same thing."
~fferyllt
"who the fuck fakeclaims Tracker like that
WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT"
~Alisae
, I've used it for pretty much every game / forum I've been on ever since, so I probably won't change now.
), bjc. nacho. ive never hidden my distrust of nacho in this game.
