Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.22

pisskop (L-4):

emeraldemon

bjc (L-4):

TierShift

TierShift (L-1):

RayFrost | Nachomamma8 | bjc | Sakura Hana

Sakura Hana (L-2):

fferyllt | Hayate Yagami | pisskop

Not Voting:

No one

The deadline is in Feburary 7, 5:00 PM EST.
Deadline counter: (expired on 2014-02-07 17:00:00)

[fferyllt]

Intent to hammer.

But, Nacho, I'd like your opinion of Sakura's posts over the last 5 or so pages.

[TierShift]

hmm that's odd...
I'd think that it would be quite unlikely for both scum to be on my wagon at the same time, my current strongest scumread is pisskop and he's already here, my guess is that his partner is really TS who is just standing around and looking for a way to jump into the wagon, and what other good reason to do so than:

Deadline counter: 1 day, 3 hours, 53 minutes

Yeah this is getting as fishy as hell...

Wait,

I'm

the one who wants to jump onto wagons now? I've pretty clearly stated two scumreads that I'd be willing to lynch and I would need no incentive to switch wagons.

That isn't the point I was trying to make tho.
The point i was trying to make is that the post you quoted is a post i have made to give key points i remembered from the thread to pisskop.
I do have a tendency to sheep Nacho, specially when I believe he's town tho.

Would you stop hiding behind nacho please? Thanks.

^^ Hey Tier, do you have any idea why I don't like this reply?

Nope, explain? I want sakura to get out there and talk to me.

VOTE: Tiershift

unvote
vote: tiershift

wagons! \o/

Yes...what's up with that sheeping?

unvote
vote: tiershift

wagons! \o/

Why are you voting with your scumread?

This.

What do you think of his response?

Wagons are good? Stupid. Is there really anything to his response?

You defended the hell out of his predecessor without ever actually calling him town iirc.

And that's buddying pisskop how?

I try to understand this. So, because you haven't been able to drop any associative tells, you think that bjc is not scum?

I like this new guy's entrance.

First sentence feels kinda like a slip.

What was your read on LMB?

Town. How is it a slip in any way?

What I don't understand is all the townreads that koppie has been getting all of a sudden. How did he go from flailing scum to obvtown? Can someone assemble a summary or something?

Which players called him flailing scum and then changed their reads to obvtown?

Everyone was like pisskop is scum and now I see so many people saying koppie is town. I'm not sure who actually changed.
Maybe ray was right about it being due to the scumreaders talking a lot first and now the townreaders.

Sakura? Veto.

Vote: TierShift

Eh, why?

Ffery, your towncase on pisskop is bad. Him not PR claiming is, as you say yourself, not a towntell. He wasn't actually down for a lynch conpletely and in such a case it's usually better to claim VT and hope to escape a lynch than to die for sure while drawing out a PR.
You then quote a shitton of posts without actually saying why they're town. If you want to convince me of pisskop town, actually explain why my arguments for him scum are bad and give me something that holds a little ground on him being town.

Do you really want me to claim now?

[pisskop]

hana's L-2 . . .

[fferyllt]

I said why they're town posts. I'm giving you an answer that is about tone, timing and tempo as much as it is about content. In fact more so.

I feel like I've had a really unique view of the latter part of this game day due to watching pisskop without context and then reading through the whole game, seeing how his slot was viewed early on and then going back through his entry into the thread while knowing much more about the players he was interacting with.

In all three iterations - quick ISO of his predecessor with the intention of replacing into that slot, Watching his first few hours in the game without full context, and then doing a full catch up, I came to a town conclusions.

If he's scum I'll have to take a long hard look at my life.

[emeraldemon]

Hana was L-1, ffery stated intent to hammer, so yes you should claim.

[emeraldemon]

hana's L-2 . . .

Don't do this. Why would you do this? Please don't make me regret not lynching you.

[fferyllt]

I'm actually ok with more talk first, and wouldn't mind someone unvoting for a bit while we do that.

[fferyllt]

Town. How is it a slip in any way?

Scum drop associations. Town notice them.

[TierShift]

Still not seeing it.

[fferyllt]

Town-you didn't see what I saw as obvtown in a bunch of other players in the Indie uPick Micro IIRC.

I'm trying to figure out why town-you wouldn't make some adjustments after that.

[Hayate Yagami]

Okay, somebody is going to have to actually substantiate the case against Tier or link me to something, because I'm just not seeing it. The closest I've gotten is emerald's case, a player that isn't even voting Tier. (You never answered my question by the way; why were you voting pisskop and not Tier given your case on the latter?)

And while emerald's case is decent, it isn't enough to cancel out the minor townread I have on Tier. I'd much prefer a bcj lynch, but I get that's not happening, and will make do for a Sakura lynch. A pisskop lynch is the worst of the options and the only reason I'd ever vote for him is deadline.

I also think it would be GREAT if bcj would actually answer the questions I asked him a few pages ago.

But for the record if we get up to deadline and ffery hasn't hammered, I'd be happy to. A somewhat controversial townread being lynched is better than no lynch at all. So Tier should probably claim soon; if ffery isn't content with Tier doing it right now, it should still get done ASAP so that if we need to switch targets we aren't stuck.

[fferyllt]

I'm going to go through emeraldemon's ISO again before I consider hammering. Ray says he has a solid scum read and I want to understand better why that is.

[bjc]

Ooh an ED lynch would be sweet too, doesn't matter. What questions Hayate? I'm sure most of them were already addressed.

[Hayate Yagami]

What questions Hayate? I'm sure most of them were already addressed.

bjc, why is pisskop scum? And what are your feelings on Sakura at the moment?

And I know that you've given some reasons why Tier was scum in your ISO, but if you could make that argument too that would be great. I'm waiting for a compelling case on that slot that I'm just not seeing.

[TierShift]

Since I see no merit in waiting till the morning,

I'm VT.

Ugh ffery I reread your pisskop read and I must've missed the first paragraph there. I now at least see where you're coming from. I don't agree, however. Even though his posts are short and full of energy, I find his questions not very useful. He just hops on any wagon just like bjc did before, without explaining, just hiding behind others, mostly behind yourself. While having you as scum.

1247 makes me feel a tad better about him, though. Ugh :/

[bjc]

What questions Hayate? I'm sure most of them were already addressed.

bjc, why is pisskop scum? And what are your feelings on Sakura at the moment?

And I know that you've given some reasons why Tier was scum in your ISO, but if you could make that argument too that would be great. I'm waiting for a compelling case on that slot that I'm just not seeing.

Literally everything pisskop ever posts comes across as scum to me.

As for Tier, like you said I've posted on him before. If you don't find it compelling... That's fine for me, because at this point in day one I'm pretty much down to 'kop, TS, and ED.

[fferyllt]

UNVOTE Sakura

I'm going to be afk for 2-3 hours. plz don't hammer anybody while I'm gone. I've got more stuff I want to do before nightfall.

[Hayate Yagami]

Literally everything pisskop ever posts comes across as scum to me.

That's not an answer. What, specifically, about his posts is scummy?

Also, you didn't answer my question about Sakura.

[Hayate Yagami]

Also, Tier, I would definitely like an updated reads list of who you currently think is town/scum (preferably with some explanation) before you get hammered, as that is probably going to be the play for today.

[bjc]

Sakura is town to me, but that is always subject to change. Sorry, forgot about the part about her.

His flailing, his attempt to get anyone but him to die, his flopping (one moment saying he's willing to die to clear TS, the next moment saying to kill TS)...

Pretty much everything.

[TierShift]

I'll do a quick readslist before I go to sleep.
Explanations tomorrow if asked.

Town
Hagate
Dogmeraldo
Ffery
Ray

Sakura
Nacho

Piss
Bjc
Scum

[Hayate Yagami]

Sakura is town to me, but that is always subject to change. Sorry, forgot about the part about her.

What about Sakura makes her town?

His flailing, his attempt to get anyone but him to die, his flopping (one moment saying he's willing to die to clear TS, the next moment saying to kill TS)...

But weren't you doing the same thing earlier when you were begging people to lynch rob instead of you? What makes Tier different? And weren't you being erratic regarding reads yourself, particularly when it comes to ika? Why is it not-scummy for you to do those things, and scummy for pisskop to?

I'd be happy to formalize my case for pisskop being town, but a lot of it is more gut feelings I get from his posts than anything substantive.

[pisskop]

Literally everything pisskop ever posts comes across as scum to me.

this is seeming truth from him. its siggable, aftet this game.

[Hayate Yagami]

EBWODP: Sorry, what makes PISSKOP different. Dangit cerebral cortex, communicate with my fingers properly!