Marvel Avengers Alliance - Game over

[XScorpion]

In post 41, XScorpion wrote:
I think actively and openly desiring to prolong RVS is scummier than 'flinching'.

I don't see evidence of him doing that. What am I missing?

Wouldn't you prefer to leave RVs now rather than later?

i RVS was good to be in to get information

[Thor665]

You called Porkens play poor, but not scummy. Why is that?

I've already been asked that and already, and at some length, described my thoughts on his play. Which part confused you?

In post 41, XScorpion wrote:
I think actively and openly desiring to prolong RVS is scummier than 'flinching'.

I don't see evidence of him doing that. What am I missing?

Wouldn't you prefer to leave RVs now rather than later?

i RVS was good to be in to get information

I don't see that as particularly a scumtell, lots of people (mistakingly) believe RVS is a pro-town period, and he also wasn't trying to stop you from doing stuff, he was just focused on doing his own stuff - which is a basic town mindset to my mind.

What don't you like about the Bulba case?

[Bulbazak]

You called Porkens play poor, but not scummy. Why is that?

I've already been asked that and already, and at some length, described my thoughts on his play. Which part confused you?

Then go over it again for me, because I don't think you explained it that well.

[Thor665]

Which part confused you?

[Bulbazak]

The part where you didn't explain why you considered it poor play but not scummy.

[Thor665]

That seems self evident - I see it as poor play and not pro-scum play. There is no particular scum gain to doing what he's doing, and therefore no particularly clear scum tell to be had from it. Might he be scum? Sure. But I don't see anything he's done thus far as particularly telling of alignment.

[Thor665]

Eh, actually I'll amend that with his buzzwording the buzzword tell - but I see town do that too much to actually want to make a case or vote about it even at this stage of the game.

[XScorpion]

In post 41, XScorpion wrote:
I think actively and openly desiring to prolong RVS is scummier than 'flinching'.

I don't see evidence of him doing that. What am I missing?

Wouldn't you prefer to leave RVs now rather than later?

i RVS was good to be in to get information

I don't see that as particularly a scumtell, lots of people (mistakingly) believe RVS is a pro-town period, and he also wasn't trying to stop you from doing stuff, he was just focused on doing his own stuff - which is a basic town mindset to my mind.

What don't you like about the Bulba case?

Dodging my questions is basically 'stopping me from doing stuff' and the things he is 'focused' on doing are not helpful.

I don't like that the Bulba case is drawing attention away from Zekrom who I think is scummier. At least with Bulba there is room for error; the 'flinching' argument is weak. Zekrom is pretending to scumhunt but actually not being helpful at all.

[Porkens]

yawn @ this he said/she said non-sense.

Bulba is scum for freaking out when he had the smallest imaginable amount of pressure on him.

Scorpion is town for call out Zecrom.

Zecrom is scum for asking everyone about everyone else instead of saying ideas.

cxinlee is scum for being too afraid to play the game.

[Porkens]

Aslo, Thor, just because it's not in a wiki page doesn't mean shit. "False Dichotomy," etc.

[Bulbazak]

Thor, what do you make of his cheerleading and setting up a false dichotomy of "It's either Thor or Bulbazak today." on page freaking one?

yawn @ this he said/she said non-sense.

Hey, you don't get to dodge the issue when called out.

Bulba is scum for freaking out when he had the smallest imaginable amount of pressure on him.

You've played with me before. This is a load of crap, and you know it. Furthermore, you're using it as a shield to distract from you being called out on your own scummy behavior.

[Thor665]

Dodging my questions is basically 'stopping me from doing stuff' and the things he is 'focused' on doing are not helpful.

I'll be honest with you - I found your questions about equally as inane as his, really. And dodging them is him responding, now maybe he's responding in a way you find scummy, but he's not dodging in a way that prevents you from advancing the game out of RVS.

I don't like that the Bulba case is drawing attention away from Zekrom who I think is scummier. At least with Bulba there is room for error; the 'flinching' argument is weak. Zekrom is pretending to scumhunt but actually not being helpful at all.

Arguably, via timing, your Zekrom case is drawing attention away from the Bulba case, so let's keep the silly paranoia under control.

Did you find his accusation of me for OMGUS to make sense in the tone he used?

Also, I will agree Zekrom is not scumhunting in any functional manner. Does he scumhunt functionally when town and not as scum? If so - you have my vote. If not, I don't get the point of your case outside of 'I think he plays poorly, let's lynch him' which is a fine enough policy lynch, but I like to know it's a policy lynch when I'm assessing it and I like people to be upfront about them when they're doing them. I don't think you've shown that he is preventing scumhunting. I will agree you've shown that he is not exactly lighting up the game with brilliance. You may even get me to meta him for lulz. But if the meta doesn't show any sign of him being "better" when town - do you agree that you're doing a policy lynch? If not - please explain the scumtell again, because I'm missing it.

[Thor665]

Thor, what do you make of his cheerleading and setting up a false dichotomy of "It's either Thor or Bulbazak today." on page freaking one?

I see people make these sorts of comments all the time, and they're as silly on Page 200 as they are on Page 1.
And just as scummy/not scummy too.

[Thor665]

Unvote: Bulbazak
Vote: Zekrom

A consideration after some review of his games.
I still support the Bulba lynch as well though.
Hell, who am I kidding, I support a lot of lynches.

[Zekrom25]

@Thor what do you suggest a better way to scum hunt would be ?

[Thor665]

Probably more like what you did in your other games when, as town, you asked pointed questions and placed some vote pressure. Stuff like that.
Why'd you stop doing it that way? Since, naturally, you're also town in this game.

[Porkens]

Thor, what do you make of his cheerleading and setting up a false dichotomy of "It's either Thor or Bulbazak today." on page freaking one?

yawn @ this he said/she said non-sense.

Hey, you don't get to dodge the issue when called out.

There is no issue, there is no calling out, there is only twirling:

Spoiler:

(PS this is the last I'm going to argue with you about it)

Bulba is scum for freaking out when he had the smallest imaginable amount of pressure on him.

You've played with me before. This is a load of crap, and you know it. Furthermore, you're using it as a shield to distract from you being called out on your own scummy behavior.

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I barely remember playing with you before. The rest is just noise.

Goodnight folks

[cxinlee]

Thor, which games did you review that convinced you about Zekrom scum?

cxinlee is scum for being too afraid to play the game.

Which posts implied that?

How did you come to the conclusion that I wasn't town who had genuinely nothing to say at all?

[Thor665]

Thor, which games did you review that convinced you about Zekrom scum?

Go to his user page, click on his topics, rule out the (majority) that are replace in games - iso him in the ones he started the game day in. Look at how he handled Day 1.

[Bulbazak]

There is no issue, there is no calling out, there is only twirling:

No calling out? Then I must have imagined all this then:

Well, we are pretty much lynching one of Thor/Bulba. Probably both scum TBH.

Nope. Don't like.

Unvote

Vote Porkens

You can join me anytime you like, Thor.

MMMMM and THAT is what you call a flinch.

A flinch? You got overzealous and set up a false dichotomy in RVS. You were essentially cheerleading my poking of Thor, and now you're saying that we're both distancing from each other after you've been called out? Learn to be more subtle in the future.

MMMMM and THAT is what you call a flinch.

A flinch? You got overzealous and set up a false dichotomy in RVS. You were essentially cheerleading my poking of Thor, and now you're saying that we're both distancing from each other after you've been called out? Learn to be more subtle in the future.

@Zekrom and Cxin: Why aren't you commenting on what's going on?

how many more buzzwords could you have fit in there scum?

Says the guy whose case revolves around distancing on page 1.

Naw, it started out as a distancing theory, but now it's about your <repeated> flinching. You feel like scum who's pissed he's getting called out so early.

So essentially, when called out on your bad reasoning (which came about after being called out for the way you cheerlead the early RVS pushes), you then say "Well, now it's about how he reacted", which again has to do with you being called out.

Stop avoiding the issue. I've got you dead to rights.

[smargaret]

cxinlee is massively antitown. Post content or don't post, but posting just for the sake of hearing yourself type is essentially doing the prod dodge thing. Scorpion is town. If one of the thor/porkens/bulbazak mess or zekrom is scum, then the other one isn't - I don't see scum trying to distract from distancing like that. Actually, if thor/porkens/bulbazak are town,then zek probably is too because scum want mislynches, and those don't happen if scum draw attention to themselves by blatantly not commenting.

That said, wtf? RVS is not inherently protown.

VOTE: cxin. Have opinions. Express them.

[XScorpion]

Unvote: Bulbazak
Vote: Zekrom

A consideration after some review of his games.
I still support the Bulba lynch as well though.
Hell, who am I kidding, I support a lot of lynches.

I haven't dug through Zek's games super deeply but I checked through a couple just now and none of them involved "@everyone: what do you think of everyone", which is definitely the worst post in the game so far.

Did you find his accusation of me for OMGUS to make sense in the tone he used?

This is a strangely worded question. At first glance I assumed the 'nice OMGUS' comment was a joke and didn't read into it. The more interesting fact now is that Bulb hasn't claimed it to be a joke and I'm not sure exactly how genuine his comment was to begin with. I'm honestly not able to get a good read at this point but I would not be surprised for a second if Thor/Bulb/Pork are all town here. I think there are much better places for votes right now (e.g. Zek, cxin) and would prefer if bulb/pork would give some attention to people other than themselves (Bulb has shown a bit of initiative by prodding cxin in 65 but Pork has addressed almost all of his posts to bulb).

@Pork: Noticed you missed Thor in 83. What is your read on him? And what do you think about smargaret's post above mine?

[Thor665]

At first glance I assumed the 'nice OMGUS' comment was a joke and didn't read into it. The more interesting fact now is that Bulb hasn't claimed it to be a joke and I'm not sure exactly how genuine his comment was to begin with. I'm honestly not able to get a good read at this point but I would not be surprised for a second if Thor/Bulb/Pork are all town here.

Each individual sentence makes sense to me.
Reading them all together as a cohesive line of thought doesn't make sense.
Help?

[XScorpion]

I'll try to express my train of thought as clearly as possible:
A lot of the discussion about scum-bulb has to do with 'flinching'. From what I can tell, this refers specifically to posts 7 and 10. Post 10 was more directly pursued by Pork, while post 7 was your reasoning for scum-bulb. I'm ignoring post 10 for now since you are not prok.

As for post 7, the line 'Nice OMGUS btw' does not read scum to me, although that was what pinged you. To me, both now and when I first read it, it looks like a null-tell. Looking back now (later), it's hard for me to say whether or not the comment was actually an attempt to discredit you or not. Unfortunately for me, and curiously that no one has followed this questioning, it isn't clear what Bulb's thoughts were; all discussion seems to have gone towards 'Bulb is scum because his reaction is scummy' but not WHY he made said reaction in the first place.

Do I think Bulb's reactions are scummy? No. I also don't have anything to suggest he is town, although I do like (as insignificant as it may seem) post 65's address to cxin. Of course, this may simply be because I have an incredible dislike for cxinlee's behavior (and Zek's, which I've sort of grouped together with cxin's in my mind, although I probably shouldn't). From my perspective, the people most deserving of votes and attention are cxin and Zek, and I think that the Thor/Bulb/Pork fights could easily all be TvT, especially if cxin and Zek are scum.

Let me know if you need further clarification/have more questions.

[XScorpion]

I'll be on sporadically over the weekend; probably won't be sitting in front of a computer between tomorrow afternoon and sunday afternoon. Might check in on my phone from time to time, and answer pressing questions.