Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[Aegor]

Why? Is this karma for Mini 1531? Why do I have to deal with so much stupidity about this? Do I need to show you the games where players like metal sonic have fucked EVERYTHING up for you to understand what I did and why? Would that help? Because this is common fucking sense.

Cabd, you are missing the point entirely. My issue is not that you unvoted. It is that I cannot reconcile the mindset of someone who wants to lynch scum and is willing to lynch FS but wants a claim with your unvote post and subsequent posts, none of which even mention a claim or strong conviction or thoughts on the FS wagon at all.

If you actually unvoted because you did not want a lynch without a claim, why did you not state a desire for a claim in the same post you unvoted? Why not vote FS again now?

[Cabd]

For the record I find flandere to be scummy hence the vote in the first place, but I'm not having any quickhammers regardless. For all I know I'm wrong and she's a beloved princess.

[Cabd]

Why not vote FS again now?

Because fuck you, that's why.

No but seriously, the game state has now changed, and at least two people are now calling me scum for preventing a quickhammer on day one, and you're trying to become the third.

I will vote when I damn well please. Not a minute sooner, not a minute later.

[Varsoon]

I'm calling you scum for completely different reasons.

[Cabd]

Oh? Do tell, this ought to be good.

[Varsoon]

Already did.
You can play coy and all like "Expose me then" like you're invincible,
but it's kinda obvious
you're scum.

[ActionDan]

Thanks.

Hi ActionDan. We're Rubedo.

Good thing you said that, I never would have guessed!

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.17

[7] Flandre Scarlet (sangres, Cephrir, Angry Frat Bros, ActionDan, Aegor, Skullduggery, orcinus_theoriginal)
[3] Kagami (Kazekirimaru, Venmar, Flandre Scarlet)
[2] Cabd (Varsoon, zMuffinMan)
[2] Cephrir (Kagami, mastin2)
[2] zMuffinMan (Metal Sonic, MafiaSSK)
[1] Aegor (macmollie)
[1] Gooner (Gooner)
[1] mastin2 (pieguyn)

[1] Not Voting (Cabd)

With 20 alive, it is 11 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-02-09 21:00:00)

[borkjerfkin]

pieguyn was prodded.

[pieguyn]

i'm rereading and working on isos bc there's so many people it's hard to keep track of everyone. i think this will be my preferred strategy for large games

town: me, Skull, sangres, Brian
null-town: Kaze, cephrir, AFB, venmar, orcinus
null: everyone else
scum: mastin, zmuffin

varsoon down - when i've played with him-town, his reads at least make some sense. here I don't gt his sangres read at all and his other pushes (Brian, Flan) feel opportunistic. I also don't feel much of a presence or force from him which I'm used to feeling in all of his towngames, even while he's been here.
aegor up - his push on skull feels like a town push and misses a lot of the marks i look for in a scum push. i get the same feeling from his other pushes. he's not afraid to go on the attack even when he'll possibly take heat for it. i'm getting a ton of mixed vibes from him though. ex. in 819 he adds both of my scumreads to his "vig list" but it doesn't look like he even thinks zmuffin is scummy. and so i get the feeling he might be buddying/WK'ing me
macmollie up
cabd up
flandre down - 539 this is kind of positional bc it's based on my reads on Aegor and Skull, but oh well


SCUMPOOL: Dan, Flandre, Kagami, SSK, mastin, MS, Varsoon, zmuffin

vote: Flandre

@Aegor:

why is zmuffin on your vig list?

@Nacho:

run me through mastin town. i'm a bit less sure of my scumread on him but i still don't get why he's apparently town as fuck. his entrance was straight up buddying. when pressured he tends to just write said pressure off in one way or another, either by ignoring it and acting like it never happened or not taking it seriously and expecting it to go away. basically there's this pattern of trying to discredit anyone who scumreads him (me, Cephrir, Cabd) which i associate with scum behavior. on reread (and ignoring anything to do with me) his play seems town but there's nothing unfakeable in there and i don't wanna let this go until this gets resolved

@zmuffin:

talk to me about Brian. are you familiar with his meta of strongly preferring scum to town? if so, why is he so low on your reads list? it seemed like he gave absolutely no shits about this game whatsoever and his replace out reinforces this

[pieguyn]

and I somehow managed to get prodded while writing that post
go me

[Kagami]

Thanks.

Hi ActionDan. We're Rubedo.

Good thing you said that, I never would have guessed!

AD, do you have any speculation about Nigredo's alignment?

[zMuffinMan]

How so?

i don't see how you can point out it was a non-defense and then be so oblivious to why i think it was a town post. but let's ignore that for a moment and think about something. pretend flandre is scum (i know this is a big ask, but just *try* to do this) and tell me what you think his/her mindset was when writing 1183 and what he/she was trying to achieve

at least two people are now calling me scum for preventing a quickhammer on day one

that has nothing to do with why i think you're scum - it's a rather null factor, actually, and i don't care one way or another about your unvote

[ActionDan]

Thanks.

Hi ActionDan. We're Rubedo.

Good thing you said that, I never would have guessed!

AD, do you have any speculation about Nigredo's alignment?

That ain't me and I don't care!

[MafiaSSK]

Pieguyn, what's your reasoning for the Flandre vote?

[Venmar]

She's scum, that's the reasoning.

[sangres]

How so?

i don't see how you can point out it was a non-defense and then be so oblivious to why i think it was a town post. but let's ignore that for a moment and think about something. pretend flandre is scum (i know this is a big ask, but just *try* to do this) and tell me what you think his/her mindset was when writing 1183 and what he/she was trying to achieve

Seriously? "The way my bandwagon is forming/not forming means I'm town" is a pretty common tack IME. Though maybe not that frequently brought up at MS.

[Cephrir]

Could you explain your actiondan town read?

me

feels. we have played a good amount of bit together

I am not even sure why you are asking me cos you don't ever understand how I obtain my reads in the first place or what measurement I use. but he reminds me of mantis when I categorise players inside my head altho he has his own space if that makes sense which it might very well might not. it has to do with his level of certainty and something else I cannot clearly define so I am not going to bother to try. so far I am decent at reading him except in f2f where he molded his play around me thinking he was town and he was an alien psychotrooper or something.

sangres I have cabd as town do you

skull stop pestering cabd plz. imminent signs of early meltdown cos he doesn't know exactly what is going on <---- town

Flandere sits at L-1; varsoon tells MS, who is NOT on the wagon, to hammer. I know MS is stupid enough to quickhammer without giving Flandere the time to claim shit, I unvote.

IF I HIT MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL ANY MORE IT IS GOING TO BREAK HELP

That is not my point. You said that you unvoted in order to avoid a derphammer and to avoid a lynch with no claim. Yet in that post, you did not actually ask for a claim or express intent to continue forward with the FS lynch. And you never subsequently asked for a claim or seemed to care at all that the wagon disappeared.

I had asked for a claim and I totally get why cabd did what he did cos metal will derphammer whether it be on scum or town the tell is null since he does it as both alignments but cabd just wanted to prevent a lynch on some1 who is probably town from happening since metal has a history of totally doing that shit altho not as bad as saki. it isn't rocket science and yes I am wking the fuck out cabd right now

These posts make me feel way better about you!

Already did.
You can play coy and all like "Expose me then" like you're invincible,
but it's kinda obvious
you're scum.

[Gooner]

Good news, my read-through should be done tomorrow morning at some point. If you lot want to start moving to end the day you're more than welcome to.

[Varsoon]

You guys are poop.
VOTE: Flandre

Time to end the day and prove some points.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.18

[9] Flandre Scarlet (sangres, Cephrir, Angry Frat Bros, ActionDan, Aegor, Skullduggery, orcinus_theoriginal, pieguyn, Varsoon)
[3] Kagami (Kazekirimaru, Venmar, Flandre Scarlet)
[2] Cephrir (Kagami, mastin2)
[2] zMuffinMan (Metal Sonic, MafiaSSK)
[1] Aegor (macmollie)
[1] Cabd (zMuffinMan)
[1] Gooner (Gooner)

[1] Not Voting (Cabd)

With 20 alive, it is 11 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-02-09 21:00:00)

[Skullduggery]

skull stop pestering cabd plz. imminent signs of early meltdown cos he doesn't know exactly what is going on <---- town

I'm pestering Cabd because I want to figure out his intentions here. 1271 raised some red flags because it looked like he already knew that Flandre was going to flip Scum and was planning to push me as his buddy tomorrow. That theory clashed with his unvote to prevent a hammer, so "Operation: Pester Cabd" commenced so I could sort this out.

Right now I'm thinking that 1271 was just a case of Town paranoia. His outbursts in 1414 and 1418 look like frustrated Town to me.

but cabd just wanted to prevent a lynch on some1 who is probably town from happening

You think Flandre is probably Town? Why?

No but seriously, the game state has now changed, and at least two people are now calling me scum for preventing a quickhammer on day one, and you're trying to become the third.

Am I one of those two people, Cabd? If so, where did I ever call you Scum?

Good news, my read-through should be done tomorrow morning at some point. If you lot want to start moving to end the day you're more than welcome to.

Got anything interesting to share before the day ends?

[Kazekirimaru]

VOTE: flandere

this is going to be one of my derp games, i can tell.

Me too <3

IF I HIT MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL ANY MORE IT IS GOING TO BREAK HELP

I find it helps if you switch walls occasionally. That way, they wear evenly.

Already did.
You can play coy and all like "Expose me then" like you're invincible,
but it's kinda obvious
you're scum.

Obvious, eh?

Care to spell it out for those of us playing at home?

varsoon down - when i've played with him-town, his reads at least make some sense. here I don't gt his sangres read at all and his other pushes (Brian, Flan) feel opportunistic. I also don't feel much of a presence or force from him which I'm used to feeling in all of his towngames, even while he's been here.

How do you feel about (I think it was)sangres's assertion that Varsoon is more active as scum?

And do you think Varsoon's brief absence due to sickness possibly has any bearing here?

She's scum, that's the reasoning.

You going to do anything other than take potshots this game?

[mastin2]

VOTE: Kagami

Pure survivalism at this point.

Yep, probs-scum.

cabd, why did you stop the FS wagon?

'Cause he's probs-scumbuddy.

Why shift your attention to Cephrir when you sound confident that there's Scum in MS/Flandre?

'Cause I have a daycop guilty on Cephrir, of course!

Because I don't feel like lynching them.

Even though you think one or both of them are Scum?

Yep, but I feel like voting Cephrir. (Scumread's stronger.) Sometimes, I can be a really stubborn ass about this kind of thing.

when pressured he tends to just write said pressure off in one way or another, either by ignoring it and acting like it never happened or not taking it seriously and expecting it to go away. basically there's this pattern of trying to discredit anyone who scumreads him (me, Cephrir, Cabd) which i associate with scum behavior.

(

Psst. These are all signs of a town-Mastin. But you didn't hear it from me. Honest.

* )

*No, but seriously, they are. Yeah, I've basically invalidated it all since *I'm* the guy saying it, but, well, it's true. The things you're listing, with a great degree of probability, are likely the exact reason people are townreading me.


Side-note. I'm basically horribly wrong on most of my scumreads (quite likely), or the scum this game are bussing, since literally every damn player I've got suspicion on thinks another player I have suspicion on is scum. >_<

[Venmar]

You going to do anything other than take potshots this game?

There's nothing else to do.