Open 541 - Too Many Heads Mafia (Game Over)

[Paranoia Fueled Rampage]

UNVOTE:
for the time being

[mastin2]

I think I saw something. I need time to check it out.

Still haven't checked it out, but basically...my thought is that this being a 7p lylo, it's nearly impossible for the scum to coordinate a quick-lynch. (Especially since scum players rarely if ever hold the same reads on players--for instance, a scum player defending a town player can't suddenly place an L-1 "meh" vote without it potentially backfiring.) So, I don't think they'd even try. Instead, they'd try to set up townVtown fights, and get not only one, but potentially TWO town players voting another town player. That way, they could hammer far more easily. And even if not. Even if they didn't...the very fact that they didn't would leave the town players absolutely convinced the other is confscum BECAUSE they didn't. Allowing the scum to talk to each other. Some taking one side. The others taking the other side. And eventually one side convincing the other side. Bam. Scum hammer for a win, without us having even realized they were setting it up.

I caught wind of this being possible from a quick skim of Rancid's later iso. I'm thinking Rancid's scum this game (I'm not only not getting townvibes, but what I read of Rancid's iso gave me scumvibes*), and that you and Mhork/Mindy are town. Leaving Marangal/Si and Am/Athena's Fury for two remaining scum slots. And I think it's Si/Am and Athena's Fury, particularly given Athena's Fury's vote on Mara.

/Skimmed to get sorta caught up. I really want to read if not the entire game at least D2 to see it. We need to be careful, here.

*In fact, what I'm reading of his contribution in the last day or so has seemed highly manipulative. Like. I know zMuff. I can sense his scumgame. And, well. This is it. He's not scumhunting; he's manipulating. I'll try to show it more later. I'm still trying to figure it out for sure.

[mastin2]

Basic rundown on my thoughts:
Rancid's scum. zMuff is posting not to analyze for who the scum are, but to manipulate things so that the town think each other are scum. For instance, his posting on D2 said I was town, if you look at it. (I'm translating "welcome on my ship" to mean "townread".) Now that it's lylo rather than the day before lylo, though...he's suddenly scumreading me. Frankly, this is rats-ass backwards from what it should be. Plenty of players were thinking I was scum yesterday. Defending me gave him towncred in case I ended up being the lynch, and also would make it less likely for me to figure him out. (I am a sucker for buddying.) Now that it's lylo, though, and I lived...he's here, attacking me, insisting I'm scum despite him damn-well knowing this isn't my scumgame. All-in-all, his stances seem highly "convenient". That is, he's willing to lynch anyone he knows isn't scum. And he's encouraging those fights. Encouraging people to think I'm scum. Maybe encouraging people to think Mhork/Mindy is scum (in spite of saying that they had townposted yesterday). All in all...I don't see the town zMuf I know. This is his scumplay, through-and-through.

Mhork/Mindy might actually be town, and I'm beginning to think they are. While Mhork's posting is bad, PA's is really,

really

damn town, and if she were scum, she hit basically EVERY single note

perfectly

, because everything she presented makes her look good. It's the exact mindset I'd expect from her as town. It's exactly the type of overall feeling I'd think she'd give off if she were town. She doesn't feel like scum manipulating, but rather, town analyzing. And that made me think about what I know about Mhork, and I realized that Mhork's posting reading bad means he's likely town. I've seen him as town and thought, "yep, mislynch". I've seen his scumplay, and it's MUCH stronger. I think he's the guy that the scum are relying to vote town and/or be voted by town, more than any other player. Which, yes, makes me think that the slot's town.

PFR I've been over. Basically, an entire absence of a scumgame in this game. I've picked up the vibe that others have suspicion on them, so it's quite fully possible they've been targeted for a mislynch. (Especially given Mhork's posting towards them.) More than that, no offense to either of you, but you're...kinda vulnerable to drinking kool-aid. Not so much that you'll buy what you're being sold, so much as it is...if a scum player presents thoughts that synchronize up with the paranoia in your own mind...well, you're going to townread the scum player and scumread-via-paranoia and the scum's manipulation, exactly who the scum want you to.

I still think Marangal is town. Her posting comes across as being town. I don't see faked. I don't see manipulation. I see scumhunting and legitimate emotions, pouring through.

Si and Am, on the other hand, doesn't come across as town at all. Their posting feels faked, and manipulative. They don't seem to have the "heart" of a town player--not even a broken heart. When I think of a broken-hearted town player, Marangal's slot is basically what I think of, and Si/Am's posting, while vaguely similar, doesn't come across at all as even remotely legitimate.

Athena's Fury is basically scum-by-POE, and null otherwise. I haven't been able to read their posts as town or scum. (Admittedly, I've skimmed their more recent posting.) Yet since I think Marangal is town, they have to be scum anyway.

But I still haven't done my fact-checking, yet.

[Athenas Fury]

OKAY. People voting for themselves fucks with my head in the first place, but in LyLo it's doubly so. Please be kind to the princess of paranoia and don't pull that shit if you're town. I have very few things I've decided I'm confident about in this game right now. You guys being town is one of those things, don't fuck with that.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

what I'm reading of his contribution in the last day or so has seemed highly manipulative

Elaaaaaaaaaarghborate

For instance, his posting on D2 said I was town, if you look at it. (I'm translating "welcome on my ship" to mean "townread".)

It was a mere greeting, but ye know this not be true because at the start of this day phase ye quoted something from my 1711 where I very clearly stated I was assuming yer lack of content meant ye be trying to avoid me

forming a read

on ye

he's willing to lynch anyone he knows isn't scum. And he's encouraging those fights

Where did this happen?

Maybe encouraging people to think Mhork/Mindy is scum

Where did this happen?

He's not scumhunting; he's manipulating

The irony is delicious

[Athenas Fury]

Athena's Fury is basically scum-by-POE, and null otherwise. I haven't been able to read their posts as town or scum. (Admittedly, I've skimmed their more recent posting.) Yet since I think Marangal is town, they have to be scum anyway.

But I still haven't done my fact-checking, yet.

This is bullshit. Don't skimp and wimp out on actually reading me and giving me a true read. You are totally feeling like the scum mastin from good v evil who called me scum and then ignored me.

You literally cannot cannot have me as null. Not when you have professed to have me as a town read off of one post in RVS before. The egotistical mastin I've come to expect would never just call me null or poe scum. Like seriously, Mastin, you have been scum with me. you know how I think as scum. Why aren't you engaging me to figure me out? Why are you just sticking me in a null-poe pile?

[Tammy]

i have no ideas to bounce off anyone. i threw out all my reads.

last night i had a theory generic hydra and tammy hydra were scum together and generic hydra didn't want to bus tammy yesterday but i'm not sure how much sense they make as scum together given tammy-generic thing (though he's probably capable of faking an emotional reaction like that, i was thinking he prob wouldn't replace out because of a fight with a buddy - slightly rethinking this as a possibility given he is clearly still reading the game and hasn't actually replaced out) and i don't really have a scum read on generic hydra based on their play

plus i'm not sure how much sense either of them makes as scum with mastin - i'm trying to figure out what YA was doing with their tammy vote D1 and i dunno which head or heads were pushing it so i dunno how i'm supposed to assess it

I'm just gonna at this.

[Athenas Fury]

i have no ideas to bounce off anyone. i threw out all my reads.

last night i had a theory generic hydra and tammy hydra were scum together and generic hydra didn't want to bus tammy yesterday but i'm not sure how much sense they make as scum together given tammy-generic thing (though he's probably capable of faking an emotional reaction like that, i was thinking he prob wouldn't replace out because of a fight with a buddy - slightly rethinking this as a possibility given he is clearly still reading the game and hasn't actually replaced out) and i don't really have a scum read on generic hydra based on their play

plus i'm not sure how much sense either of them makes as scum with mastin - i'm trying to figure out what YA was doing with their tammy vote D1 and i dunno which head or heads were pushing it so i dunno how i'm supposed to assess it

I'm just gonna at this.

this. but basically rbd should be reading me as town by this point and I don't see the concern at all.

[Athenas Fury]

Basic rundown on my thoughts:
Rancid's scum. zMuff is posting not to analyze for who the scum are, but to manipulate things so that the town think each other are scum. For instance, his posting on D2 said I was town, if you look at it. (I'm translating "welcome on my ship" to mean "townread".) Now that it's lylo rather than the day before lylo, though...he's suddenly scumreading me. Frankly, this is rats-ass backwards from what it should be. Plenty of players were thinking I was scum yesterday. Defending me gave him towncred in case I ended up being the lynch, and also would make it less likely for me to figure him out. (I am a sucker for buddying.) Now that it's lylo, though, and I lived...he's here, attacking me, insisting I'm scum despite him damn-well knowing this isn't my scumgame. All-in-all, his stances seem highly "convenient". That is, he's willing to lynch anyone he knows isn't scum. And he's encouraging those fights. Encouraging people to think I'm scum. Maybe encouraging people to think Mhork/Mindy is scum (in spite of saying that they had townposted yesterday). All in all...I don't see the town zMuf I know. This is his scumplay, through-and-through.

What about his posting is scum, and what did you think about him pushing the hell out of me for liek two days and then stepping back, becaust I thought htat was townish.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

rbd should be reading me as town by this point

I'm not. Why should I?

[Mhork and Mindy]

I could but to be quite frank I think you've made your mind on us.

...I really haven't. Mhork's cooling off right now, which means y'all get to deal with me, and if there's one thing I'm good at, it's being indecisive.

The scum game I'm thinking of where you were reckless was Micro 250, the Great Idea game. Looking at your game list, I remember now that you were scum in Open 525, but after dying early and watching all the clusterfuckness, I don't think I was paying enough attention to have a good sense of your scum game. You replaced in late; how would you characterize your scum play there?

RBD, can I get your top two town reads?

mastin, you say this isn't town-Mala or town-Rach. I strongly disagree, especially on Rach. Can you be more specific?

--PA

[Ms Marangal]

Off of 1448 I'm going to assume your town reads are PFR and Athenas Fury.

Yep, and I think the Scum-team is RBD/Mastin/SiAm

[Ms Marangal]

though, I'm going to be honest and say that mastin is scaring the fuck out of me this game

[Ms Marangal]

Like, all this buddying is giving me heebie jeebies

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

RBD, can I get your top two town reads?

Nae

the Scum-team is RBD/Mastin/SiAm

Nae

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

I don't have any reads I'm particularly confident about at the moment outside of mastin being scum. I need to do some reading here but I probably won't get around to it til either tomorrow or the day after.

[TheButtonmen]

Vote Count 3.2

Athenas Fury (0)
Rancid Broderick Drake (0)
Paranoia Fueled Rampage (0):
Mhork and Mindy (0):
mastin2 (0)
Generically Purple (0):
Si and Am (1): Generically Purple

Not Voting (6): Rancid Broderick Drake, Si and Am, Mhork and Mindy, mastin2, Athenas Fury, Paranoia Fueled Rampage

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

[mastin2]

what I'm reading of his contribution in the last day or so has seemed highly manipulative

Elaaaaaaaaaarghborate

Kinda difficult to do so, but basically...your posts don't look like they're meant to find scum. I can generally read you well enough and tell when you are. And this game, I'm not seeing it. It's more Touhou than it is Xeno, to give the most recent examples.

he's willing to lynch anyone he knows isn't scum. And he's encouraging those fights

Where did this happen?

In basically all your posting during the earlier exchanges this phase. I'll show it later. (Also answers the below.)

You literally cannot cannot have me as null.

Which is why you're null-scum!

Not when you have professed to have me as a town read off of one post in RVS before.

A townvibe that simply isn't there this game.

Why aren't you engaging me to figure me out?

Because bluntly? At this stage, there's nothing that you can engage me on that I'm not going to be paranoid-as-fuck about. I'm looking at earlier parts of the game to get a better read--parts of the game I wasn't in.

What about his posting is scum, and what did you think about him pushing the hell out of me for liek two days and then stepping back, becaust I thought htat was townish.

Or, y'know. You're his scumbuddy, with posts like this.

mastin, you say this isn't town-Mala or town-Rach. I strongly disagree, especially on Rach. Can you be more specific?

It's more Mala than Rach for me, but basically...this simply isn't their towngame. It's not their frustrated-towngame, either. (I know that just as well as you do from Maniacal Street.) Their posting has a purpose, and said purpose is not town.

Yep, and I think the Scum-team is RBD/Mastin/SiAm

Well, then, you'll be happy to let me bus both of them, now, won't you?

Like, all this buddying is giving me heebie jeebies

Fuck buddying. Yes, the scum-me buddies, but I do it just as much if not more as town. AFB is a townread. You're a townread. Now, Mhork/Mindy is also a townread. I'll buddy as much as I damn-well please.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

Kinda difficult to do so, but basically...your posts don't look like they're meant to find scum.

Ye keep making blanket statements like this that show ye are either not reading the game or ye are bullshitting yer read here

[mastin2]

Kinda difficult to do so, but basically...your posts don't look like they're meant to find scum.

Ye keep making blanket statements like this that show ye are either not reading the game or ye are bullshitting yer read here

Yep, you're scum, because the town-you would know that I make those kinds of statements regardless of alignment, rather than pushing the idea of me BSing.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

town-you would know that I make those kinds of statements regardless of alignment, rather than pushing the idea of me BSing

It amazes me that ye could read what I just wrote and assume that it (a) has anything to do with why I think yer scum, or (b) is me pushing something.

It was a very clear what I was saying: The blanket statements ye be making show that ye are either not reading the game or bullshitting yer read.

[Ms Marangal]

Fuck buddying. Yes, the scum-me buddies, but I do it just as much if not more as town. AFB is a townread. You're a townread. Now, Mhork/Mindy is also a townread. I'll buddy as much as I damn-well please.

WHy am I town?

[Ms Marangal]

and none of that vague shit

[Si and Am]

1. The replace out was genuine.

2. The battle tween you and Gen with Mala and I was very classic TvT.

3. We are town reading Rancid hydra.

4. Your hydra did not fit with the ones we are scum reading.

Is that specific enough?

That being said, the fact that town Mara has voted for us and the scum has not piled on seems odd? Arent we in LYLO?

Mala and I are feeling pretty meh about this game. It is kinda hard to get into it with it practically a guaranteed loss The two modkills really hurt our team.

~Am

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

Vote: mastin