Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Is this Saki wagon a thing, please be a thing.

Also in my homesite as long as mafia was the same number as the village (assuming no other factions) it would be game end. I honestly don't understand what Jaqen is doing right now. He's tunneling so hard that I don't think he has a point in his votes anymore.

This tunnel vision has to stop considering most if not all of his reads just led up to useless distractions that sidetracked from the main ones and ended up not being useful for town at all.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Nacho dude, you should be off work by now. Come on, I still have stuff to discuss with you.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

as long as mafia was the same number as the village (assuming no other factions) it would be game end.

That's the rule here too unless specific non-normal mechanics specify otherwise.

[Varsoon]

Aight, let's town-win, then.
If scum wins, then you're terrible.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Aight, let's town-win, then.
If scum wins, then you're terrible.

I won't be alive at endgame unless we lynch nothing but scum for quite a while, I have to die before lylo, remember? Otherwise scum just leaves jaquen alive and takes the free victory.

[Jaqen Hghar]

And not seeing stalemate options in GiF set ups by way of what a boy links has done naught but strengthen a man's pov. These are all the reasons a man thinks GCBC is scum.

1. D1 slip

2. Not responding to slip allegations in a

logical

manner. No, imabepissyandreplaceoutbecauseyouhavelegitreasontosvumreadmemollie is not logical

3. A boy's reach to discredit ALL who scum read him instead of just being town, e.g. scum hunting

4. If a boy were town, he wouldn't have known Lush died. It took 7 minutes to provide a case for muffin scum when the day started. A man posed a random question (one that a boy knew was coming) just seconds after a boy engaged a man in said conversation. After 30 minutes a boy still hadn't responded, even to call a man full of shit and that there was no crumb of investigation. A boy failed this test because he couldn't replicate the speed to respond to something unknown. This leaves the distinct impression that Lush's death was not unknown to a boy.

5. A boy's sum total of the day's participation has been to try to convince others he is town. A man knows a boy always plays to his wincon. How exactly does that play to a town wincon?

6. Balance issues in relation to a boy's claim

7. Now, set up spec as well.

A man asks again, with all these valid, in game reasons, why precisely should a man read a boy as town?

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man lays it all out and asks a boy to reply in kind.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

If GCBC ends up being scum I'll personally bend over and spread my legs apart because he fucked with me and my entire read on him.

[Jaqen Hghar]

If GCBC ends up being scum I'll personally bend over and spread my legs apart because he fucked with me and my entire read on him.

A girl wouldn't be his first...

[Varsoon]

How will you die before Lylo?
You're bulletproof, right?
Why should you die before Lylo?
You're town, right?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

And not seeing stalemate options in GiF set ups by way of what a boy links has done naught but strengthen a man's pov. These are all the reasons a man thinks GCBC is scum.

1. D1 slip

Which relied entirely upon your mistaken assumption that scum did not have daytalk and... oh yeah, flipped scum encryptor.

2. Not responding to slip allegations in a

logical

manner. No, imabepissyandreplaceoutbecauseyouhavelegitreasontosvumreadmemollie is not logical

What a surprise, me getting pissed off at you tunneling a slip that isn't a slip. And we both know ffery's replace out had nothing to do with your "slip" and everything to do with mollie and ffery's catfighting (which spans like every game they share here at MS, I can give you links if you actually care.

3. A boy's reach to discredit ALL who scum read him instead of just being town, e.g. scum hunting

...Does everyone fucking ignore my reads lists? Also show me instances of me discrediting everyone on my wagon. You won't find them. I've attacked your credibility (because you're playing anti-town) though.

4. If a boy were town, he wouldn't have known Lush died. It took 7 minutes to provide a case for muffin scum when the day started. A man posed a random question (one that a boy knew was coming) just seconds after a boy engaged a man in said conversation. After 30 minutes a boy still hadn't responded, even to call a man full of shit and that there was no crumb of investigation. A boy failed this test because he couldn't replicate the speed to respond to something unknown. This leaves the distinct impression that Lush's death was not unknown to a boy.

Fun game. Let's play "how long does it take to pull somebody ISO from day two and look for their votes"? Go on, EVERYONE is invited to play. And news flash, wayne, despite what you might think, I don't sit on the computer every waking second to play mafia. Fuck if I remember what I was doing. On the can, maybe? In the shower? This is a case of you trying to fit the game state to your read on me.

5. A boy's sum total of the day's participation has been to try to convince others he is town. A man knows a boy always plays to his wincon. How exactly does that play to a town wincon?

Uh... "Town wins by not lynching town" is kind of a thing? And once again holy fucking shit, maybe instead of mocking my reads lists, you might read them and see that... oh yeah, I am calling out scum suspects.

6. Balance issues in relation to a boy's claim

You don't really have a picture of balance considerations here if you think that town BP is an impossible role in this game. Like, town bulletproof is absolutely a thing that exists in setups.

7. Now, set up spec as well.

I just went over this with the link to NY165. The current trend is to have more powerful towns because of scum winning a ton of larges. I can link the thread by the skittle if you care that much.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

How will you die before Lylo?
You're bulletproof, right?
Why should you die before Lylo?
You're town, right?

Short of being cleared by another PR or wayne admitting his tunnel was incorrect, I will have to self-lynch the day before LYLO. I'd just rather never make it to LYLO and lynch all the scum instead.

[Varsoon]

Why, though?
:/

[Jaqen Hghar]

Also in my homesite as long as mafia was the same number as the village (assuming no other factions) it would be game end.

This doesn't lead to that situation. It would end the game because scum would always have the night and would eventually kill, while no kill could be performed during the day.

This is the situation a man describes

1 town unlimited bulletproof who CAN'T be killed at night

1 scum who WON'T self vote to die during the day

An unstoppable force, meeting an immovable object

Stalemate

[Jaqen Hghar]

How will you die before Lylo?
You're bulletproof, right?
Why should you die before Lylo?
You're town, right?

Short of being cleared by another PR or wayne admitting his tunnel was incorrect, I will have to self-lynch the day before LYLO. I'd just rather never make it to LYLO and lynch all the scum instead.

A man has given a boy the opportunity of pointing to the flaw and has vowed to "get off it" if a boy can. A man is waiting.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Also in my homesite as long as mafia was the same number as the village (assuming no other factions) it would be game end.

This doesn't lead to that situation. It would end the game because scum would always have the night and would eventually kill, while no kill could be performed during the day.

This is the situation a man describes

1 town unlimited bulletproof who CAN'T be killed at night

1 scum who WON'T self vote to die during the day

An unstoppable force, meeting an immovable object

Stalemate

We're trying to tell you the endgame rules ignore roles and reduce all remaining players to behave like vanillas at that point.

I'm so tired of waiting I'm gonna bitch at the backup mod to come in here and explain, hang on.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

If a Bulletproof Townie is included in the game, some means of handling the endgame in the event that the Bulletproof player lives that long must be considered. Many moderators will simply ignore Bulletproof aspects if a Win Condition requiring a faction to make up half of the living players is attained - in particular, if only one Mafioso and one Bulletproof Townie are alive, the Mafioso will usually be given the win.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bulletproof

There. Satisfied, or does one of the mods of the game have to come in and tell me I'm right first?

[Jaqen Hghar]

My initial thought was that town was more likely to skip over the posts form the mod

whereas scum was more likely to read it thoroughly

, but that theory was clearly flawed.

You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

A boy says much, without saying. A man sees the scum have no day chat. This is just so. With his own words, a boy condemns himself.

VOTE: Morph the cat

A man had two separate thoughts. Neither hinged on the other. A man was wrong about day talk. That doesn't mean a man was also wrong about morphscum.

A boy can't say he was shaming town when he was clearly shaming scum. It makes no sense to shame that which is expected. The other aspect a boy failed to explain was how he differentiated town from scum in order to make this post. Otherwise, a boy couldn't say "but that theory was clearly flawed". That statement alone says a boy knows who the scum are because clearly some had read and some hadn't. A town boy wouldn't be able to differentiate the two by post 302

without

knowing town from scum.

[Jaqen Hghar]

If a Bulletproof Townie is included in the game, some means of handling the endgame in the event that the Bulletproof player lives that long must be considered. Many moderators will simply ignore Bulletproof aspects if a Win Condition requiring a faction to make up half of the living players is attained - in particular, if only one Mafioso and one Bulletproof Townie are alive, the Mafioso will usually be given the win.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bulletproof

There. Satisfied, or does one of the mods of the game have to come in and tell me I'm right first?

A man is satisfied to that and de facto the setup spec. 2 down, five to go.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

You're failing the logical step of "Why the actual fuck does scumcabd with daytalk post that... ever?"

"You all" clearly means THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLAYER LIST.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

For the record if we're going to keep going in circles let me know so I can stop actually trying to show you why you're wrong.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Wanna be a bro and give me a simple yes/no if it's waynegg or not so I can move on (and change the locks on my house because if this isn't wayne it's a fucking stalker from hell)

It's now obvious to me that he deliberately does not want to be found, so at the respect of his privacy (and possibly the site rules?) I'm not going to confirm or deny that.

Oh and where are you re: Pie/Varsoon?

My first impulse was to call pie a scumbutt for #617, but I've seriously mellowed on that. If that's what he was going for with his "I'ma take a break" post then he succeeded. I don't like his vote on you but it has an undertone of honesty to the level of certainty he seems to have about it (not much). Maybe I see #652 coming from someone who isn't concerned about letting down a scumteam (because he isn't on one). Weak town now.

I'll reevaluate him/kagami/muffin if we're alive

after you guys flip since all three attempted to kick the wagon on you guys up to 11 in a very short amount of time and what you guys flip will depend how I would look at that.

(and in fact, none of them moved to correct their vote onto your new slot after your hydra replaced the old one which reflects worse on kagami/muffin since pie hasn't been around)

Varsoon looks a bit bad to me, but I'd like a bigger sample size and I don't think he should be on the table today.

Here's the investigation crumb, btw. It's the first reference to muffin on the second page of their ISO. Not hard to find. If a boy ignored a man's question, he did so at his own peril. But, a boy can't make believe he didn't know a question was coming any more than he can pretend to have not seen it. If a boy is to clear this point, he must take it head on instead of all this "I'm not at your beck and call" nonsense.

[Jaqen Hghar]

You're failing the logical step of "Why the actual fuck does scumcabd with daytalk post that... ever?"

"You all" clearly means THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLAYER LIST.

hi guys

Egopost cuz ffery beat me to our usual opener.

Simply because he feels like he can comes to mind

[Jaqen Hghar]

For the record if we're going to keep going in circles let me know so I can stop actually trying to show you why you're wrong.

A man has relented to his wrongness on 2 points already. A man would call that making headway.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

You're failing the logical step of "Why the actual fuck does scumcabd with daytalk post that... ever?"

"You all" clearly means THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLAYER LIST.

hi guys

Egopost cuz ffery beat me to our usual opener.

Simply because he feels like he can comes to mind

Except egoposting is entirely something that I do in every game I'm a hydra in? Because I follow all my games via the egosearch function. So "Scumcabd would do this really stupid thing just because he felt like it" is kind of a terrible idea.