Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Jaqen Hghar]

'yeah, I've done stuff like that as scum'

...Ive just answered that, for fuck's sake. Not in the thread, it's stupid. If there's any taunting, it goes into the scum QT for later, or once the game is actually won. You never slip out of character prior to the win, bad shit goes down and HAS for players that do before.

Then a man will dig, because it's been seen. Hopefully a man can find it before day's end.
And patience. We don't all type and read as fast as you. If a man can't find it again, that point will bring it down to 4.

Revisit the Lush thing. A man didn't ask what you specifically do. A man asked if scum were to pick up on what a man did, would that not be a logical flow of events. It matters naught if a boy picked up on it. Why a boy chose to make that reference himself is beyond a man. A man would call that a guilty conscious in most circumstances.

[zMuffinMan]

i could also see you claiming bulletproof as, say, a godfather

but what i don't understand is why you'd crumb BP D1 if you're actually town BP.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

...I've been saying I have to die before LYLO because of waynegg's read since like day one, IIRC?

Like seriously, dude tunnels like the lovechild of Wisdom and Rank

[Katarina LeBlanc]

What if he only claimed because the supposed investigatory role died..

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Revisit the Lush thing. A man didn't ask what you specifically do. A man asked if scum were to pick up on what a man did, would that not be a logical flow of events. It matters naught if a boy picked up on it. Why a boy chose to make that reference himself is beyond a man. A man would call that a guilty conscious in most circumstances.

It would help if you would speak in understandable English, man. You're just making it harder to understand exactly what point you're making here.

Would scum be wise to shoot a cop they find over claimed masons and an innocent child that's playing antitown? Uh... duh?

Did they actually do that? We don't know. For all I know they shot serene and either an SK or mafia secondshot vig shot mollie. She's a pretty decent night kill target regardless.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

but what i don't understand is why you'd crumb BP D1 if you're actually town BP.

There's literally no way you're ever going to understand me, then. Because that's how I chose to play it.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I have work in the morning, and playing "pin the logic on the donkey while he runs around in circles" has made me drained anyways.

You can fight the rest out yourselves.

Mod owes us a VC I think.

[zMuffinMan]

...I've been saying I have to die before LYLO because of waynegg's read since like day one, IIRC?

i don't remember you saying this

What if he only claimed because the supposed investigatory role died..

i don't get what you're trying to say here

[zMuffinMan]

Because that's how I chose to play it.

yeah, and that's what i don't understand

cabd-town rolls an investigative PR or a PR that he wants to stay alive for a while - then maybe i can understand crumbing BP / claiming BP early

cabd-town rolls bulletproof and crumbs it and claims it early? makes no sense to me

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I mean this is horrible paranoia but what if GCBC only claimed when the 2-Shot Mason Rolecop girl was killed n1. Nothing could verify whether or not he was telling the truth.

Ignore this, paranoid me is very bad

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Regardless of what happens I'd much rather prefer a bubba or Saki lynch today then. Muffin and GCBC can wait till tomorrow I hope.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Revisit the Lush thing. A man didn't ask what you specifically do. A man asked if scum were to pick up on what a man did, would that not be a logical flow of events. It matters naught if a boy picked up on it. Why a boy chose to make that reference himself is beyond a man. A man would call that a guilty conscious in most circumstances.

It would help if you would speak in understandable English, man. You're just making it harder to understand exactly what point you're making here.

Would scum be wise to shoot a cop they find over claimed masons and an innocent child that's playing antitown? Uh... duh?

Did they actually do that? We don't know. For all I know they shot serene and either an SK or mafia secondshot vig shot mollie. She's a pretty decent night kill target regardless.

Ok

If I saw it, it's plausible for scum to see it. Both crumbs. And if they did, it's easy enough for scum to redirect to make muffin guilty then come in and push that play after they off the Cop the night before. That's the way you came in today. I gave you a test to replicate the speed with which you came with the push on Muffin. You didn't replicate that speed, which logically makes me disbelieve you didn't

know

Lush died before the day started.

If you ignored my question simply because you were irritated, well you shouldn't have. Play the hand that's dealt, not the one you wish you'd drawn. That's what makes blacklists so immature. They're nothing more than an excuse to not play with someone just because they're not going to give you an easy time just because you're you.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Regardless of what happens I'd much rather prefer a bubba or Saki lynch today then. Muffin and GCBC can wait till tomorrow I hope.

The only lynches which should be considered are GCBC and Muffin. Truly. Saki gives nothing to work off of. Bubba gives nothing to work off of. They're both just random lych targets that avoid the tough choice. If we flip Muffin, and he's town, GCBC is most certainly scum. If Muffin flips scum, GCBC is most definitely town. And vice versa to a certain extent.

What do you get from a Saki flip?

Likewise bubba?

[Saki]

I am a fucking VT what the fuck are you guys even doing
Cabd's throwing far-fetched logic out there, it's pretty fucking obvious

Lynch him.
Then lynch muffin.
If muffin flips town, lynch nacho and Varsoon.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Muffin

[Varsoon]

The only lynches which should be considered are GCBC and Muffin.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Oooh someone's mad, but okay I'll bite

vote Muffin

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Regardless of what happens I'd much rather prefer a bubba or Saki lynch today then. Muffin and GCBC can wait till tomorrow I hope.

The only lynches which should be considered are GCBC and Muffin. Truly. Saki gives nothing to work off of. Bubba gives nothing to work off of. They're both just random lych targets that avoid the tough choice. If we flip Muffin, and he's town, GCBC is most certainly scum. If Muffin flips scum, GCBC is most definitely town. And vice versa to a certain extent.

What do you get from a Saki flip?

Likewise bubba?

Saki wagon was a gut read adding on to that I really don't think GCBC lynch is good today.

Thank you for speaking plain english.

Anyways, I don't see how this is a tough choice at all. I can see the outcome of the flips and I can say I'm more confident in lynching Muffin over GCBC today.

Lynch either the claimed Bulletproof or the claimed 0-shots left Tracker who already outed his results (bad ones at that). At this point, time is running out and if you want to weigh pros and cons on whose flip you want to risk then I think the choice is obvious.

I have considered town versus town, but that's a completely different story. I don't have the time nor patience to read back on these 200 pages to look for something that says so.

[zMuffinMan]

What do you get from a Saki flip?

probably a scum flip

[zMuffinMan]

Saki gives nothing to work off of. Bubba gives nothing to work off of. They're both just random lych targets that avoid the tough choice.

this is going to be the case no matter when you'd lynch them, though

in the event gcbc is town and we lynch him today (or lynch him tomorrow after lynching me today), you're still going to have saki alive the following day, still being just as useless, and still essentially a policy lynch with a high likelihood of flipping scum

[zMuffinMan]

if you actually think saki is town here, then your reads suck, plain and simple. he's literally done nothing this game outside of suggest lynching both GCBC and i, saying that one of us is third party and the other is scum. even apart from the fact that this isn't a town mindset, literally he's done nothing but coast and make noise. so yeah, he's a low-information lynch, but that's going to be the case with saki whenever you lynch saki, that is how saki plays when he's scum.

i think gcbc has a decent chance at flipping scum (i do not think he's adequately explained why he crumbed/claimed BP early, i don't think the reasoning for some of his reads makes a lot of sense and if one of the anti-kill roles is scum, it's probably him) but in the event i'm wrong, i fear we're just wasting two lynches (assuming you lynch me and gcbc consecutively) and letting scum coast by on very bad logic

*shrug*

if it's down to me or gcbc, then

Vote: GCBC

[Varsoon]

zMuffin:
What are your reads as of right now, and what would you prefer happen if you died?
How do you feel about the GCBC wagon and people on it?
How do you feel about your own wagon and people on it?

The more articulate the better.

[Yukari Yakumo]

@MOD please confirm that in the event of an endgame scenario of a hypothetical bulletproof townie and a mafia goon, that mafia is granted the win.

The endgame scenarios will discard the roles and only work with the numbers present.

Also Kise is being replaced for not responding to a prod. Good luck me finding a replacement.

[Yukari Yakumo]

VC 3.16

zMuffinMan (L-4):

pieguyn | Mac | bubbajack8 | Varsoon | Katarina LeBlanc

GoodCop_BadCop (L-3):

ActionDan | Saki | Kagami | Jaqen Hghar | Messiah Complex | zMuffinMan

ActionDan (L-8):

Kise

Saki (L-6):

GoodCop_BadCop | Sakura Hana | dramonic

Not Voting:

Nachomamma8

With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch.

The deadline is February 11, 3:30 PM EST.
Countdown: (expired on 2014-02-11 15:30:00)

[zMuffinMan]

What are your reads as of right now, and what would you prefer happen if you died?

if you lynch me today, then lynch {saki, dramonic, GCBC} and depending whether the game is still going after that, look at bubba then maaaaaaaybe MC if they're still alive. don't let people like saki and dramonic coast by on little to no content

as for where i'm currently at with reads, it is virtually the same as it was when i last gave reads. a few minor changes.

kagami still looks really town, both for his role and the way he went about claiming / using it and for his play (he was on cok and gaiden early - including cok prior to AD outing his role and the way he's going about figuring stuff out looks town)

nacho is probably town. i dunno. i'm really shit at reading nacho but his role probably makes him town and he looks like he's trying to figure shit out rather than pushing an agenda like i'm used to seeing when he's scum

mac also probably town for his role (+macho stuff) and i liked his D1 play even if he's been a complete non-factor since then

AD prob town for the way he acted around cok D2. i do not think that was a bus. if it was, then all i have to say about it is wow.

i think you're probably town mostly because i'm not getting any sense of the way you like to manipulate things when you're scum and everything you were writing D1 pointed more towards the town-varsoon i'm used to seeing recently - you have this sort of indignant and somewhat apathetic air about you when you're town lately. *shrug*

katarina is still most likely town... sadly. i dunno. i disagree that she's as obvtown as some people are making her out to be, but negative track result + her demeanour is making me think town. i hope she takes her head out of her ass after i'm gone and actually puts effort into figuring things out.

kise is probably town just for his role and the way he's used it. pointing out the "stump" crumb was somewhat odd but still probably town considering scum had day talk at the time and he didn't need to out it publicly. i don't really remember much else he's done this game.

i think MC is town purely for play - the way he's approached this game in general has just felt town, the way he hopped on the gaiden wagon didn't look like a bus, and the breakdown of his issues with gcbc looked town, too

sakura's play today looks town. i dunno. i didn't really feel any sort of buddying or scum motivation in the way she approached her read on me and she could have easily just called me scum and sheeped the shit on me. i feel like the way she's been approaching other people looks town, too.

bubba is... town? i dunno. i see some reasons to think he's town, but his play has been abysmal lately. if i am wrong about one of my town reads, it's probably him, and he probably shouldn't be allowed to get anywhere near lylo

then there's

dramonic who's just... bleh. coasting and writing nothing worth reading, makes sense as scum based on poe and play - i wish i could say more about this but this is all i have. he's not providing much content to go off.

saki is saki. stop letting saki be saki. seriously. go back and read the stuff he's been saying today about third party, the other stuff he's been writing, etc etc. this is what saki does when he's scum.

and i still have the same issues about GCBC as i've had all day, even if i'm currently waffling a bit on my read here. there's the BP crumbing and early claiming that doesn't make a lot of sense given how cabd normally plays, i feel like he should really have a town read on me if he'd actually read the stuff he said he was going to read (like the scum QTs i linked) or at least should have assessed them and come to the conclusion that if i were magically scum this game, i'd be playing the dumbest most nonsensical game i've ever played (not to mention he's making the argument that BP = counter to 1-shot strongman while simultaneously suggesting the flipped ninja is a red herring and i'm still scum). most of this i've already gone over. i keep wanting to see cabd write a really town post in my back-and-forths with him to make me feel better about him but i'm not seeing it. would have liked to have seen him respond to stuff like des's big post on him orrrrrrrrr other stuff like nacho's questions prior to just recently.