The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[sirdanilot]

Hey CES you may be scum but you'll get pretty positive and fuzzy feelings if you vote Esp with us ! Belong to the good camp !

[sirdanilot]

Yes Shadow may have bussed Esp there?

Let's vote

[PeregrineV]

@elscouta:
I ignored 1586 on purpose, and will keep ignoring anything people might say about me being JK. there's a purpose behind all this.

if I ever come up as a lynch candidate, I will fully disclose everything and stuff, and explain everything; but not before then.

So far, my night actions, in accordance to the supposed fakeclaim, make absolutely no sense for ABR town, the way I see it.

I'm more talking about the bodyguard claim.
If you are JK, and someone claims cop, do you JK them?

It depends. Do you believe them? Do others believe them? Do you think scum will believe them? Is their day play good enough so that they can be a leader even without results? Is there someone better to take a chance protecting while leaving the cop unprotected?

Basic answer is really personal choice based on all of the above, so there is no one set answer.

And who are your other choices for scum?

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine will you join me in an Esp lynch, pretty please? You're in the good camp aren't ya ?!

I am, and I might, but let's see what Shadow said or didn't say first.

Vote: Espeonage

There. Now go look at Shadow's posts.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@elscouta:
I ignored 1586 on purpose, and will keep ignoring anything people might say about me being JK. there's a purpose behind all this.

if I ever come up as a lynch candidate, I will fully disclose everything and stuff, and explain everything; but not before then.

So far, my night actions, in accordance to the supposed fakeclaim, make absolutely no sense for ABR town, the way I see it.

Unvote, vote shos

Either you're making it up, or you haven't read something properly, or the mod made a mistake. I doubt Plum made a mistake, so which is it?

[sirdanilot]

I will Pere but I have to do some assignments now, I'm already procrastinating by even being here

[PeregrineV]

Looking through Shadow iso, early day1 he sloughs off anyone voting CES (373, 585, 596, 598, 622, 756, 763). Then, day2, after Jacob claims to have protected CES, Shadow criticizes that decision (992).

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Shadoweh's self-defeatist attitude leans scum because meta

@ Shadoweh: I wasn't just using one game. There were other things in your uPick play that weren't materializing here either. They still aren't.

When and why did you drop this completely, Desperado?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

That's probably the main thing I got out of ISOing Shadoweh, Tierce. Her approach to Esp I think does also imply Esptown - some early posts that address him as a townie and she says a few times later on that she's no longer interested in voting him, which seems like a thing you wouldn't want to draw attention to if it's your buddy and that buddy is Espeonage.

[SpyreX]

I think shos is missing something in such a way that moves him absolutely firmly into my town list.

[shos]

@elscouta:
I ignored 1586 on purpose, and will keep ignoring anything people might say about me being JK. there's a purpose behind all this.

if I ever come up as a lynch candidate, I will fully disclose everything and stuff, and explain everything; but not before then.

So far, my night actions, in accordance to the supposed fakeclaim, make absolutely no sense for ABR town, the way I see it.

I'm more talking about the bodyguard claim.
If you are JK, and someone claims cop, do you JK them?

It depends. Do you believe them? Do others believe them? Do you think scum will believe them? Is their day play good enough so that they can be a leader even without results? Is there someone better to take a chance protecting while leaving the cop unprotected?

Basic answer is really personal choice based on all of the above, so there is no one set answer.

And who are your other choices for scum?

well the idea was to get an understanding of 'if you were a JK, what would you do in the last two nights'.<<<everyone can answer this. answer truthfully.

the rest of my scumreads were basicaly you and CES but as seen below you're more likely town by now.

Peregrine will you join me in an Esp lynch, pretty please? You're in the good camp aren't ya ?!

I am, and I might, but let's see what Shadow said or didn't say first.

Vote: Espeonage

There. Now go look at Shadow's posts.

So uh, this is probably the first real good effort idea that we've had today. we've had a scum flip, go look for associates. so I'm replacing PV's read with a townread. or a good scum play.

@elscouta:
I ignored 1586 on purpose, and will keep ignoring anything people might say about me being JK. there's a purpose behind all this.

if I ever come up as a lynch candidate, I will fully disclose everything and stuff, and explain everything; but not before then.

So far, my night actions, in accordance to the supposed fakeclaim, make absolutely no sense for ABR town, the way I see it.

Unvote, vote shos

Either you're making it up, or you haven't read something properly, or the mod made a mistake. I doubt Plum made a mistake, so which is it?

??
making what up? I didn't claim anything yet.

Looking through Shadow iso, early day1 he sloughs off anyone voting CES (373, 585, 596, 598, 622, 756, 763). Then, day2, after Jacob claims to have protected CES, Shadow criticizes that decision (992).

will be seeing this tomorrow.

[sirdanilot]

making what up? I didn't claim anything yet.

Shos why are you so terribad today?

[PeregrineV]

well the idea was to get an understanding of 'if you were a JK, what would you do in the last two nights'.<<<everyone can answer this. answer truthfully.

Let's see. If I were JK, I'd try to block some sort of nullread night1 like ActionDan or SpryeX, hoping to prevent the kill.

night2 I might target ABR to protect him, but then he'd have no result, and his WIFOM claim would live on. So I'd probably leave him unprotected, since his play has sucked anyway, and a half cop played suckily is no PR at all. I'd probably try for the block again on you or Shadow or Tierce.

night2 after the RB claim, I'd kind of figure that, so would ignore the claim, and try for a protect on SirDani or ElsCouta.

Assuming there was no results from my n1 or n2 actions, that is.

[Albert B. Rampage]

shos is making up that his night actions don't line up with me being a VT or he has reading comprehension issues or his logic is wrong.

[sirdanilot]

Why would Shos make something up to get you lynched? Odds are pretty high that you are getting lynched anyway, despite the fact that you are not the best lynch because so many scum are still around.

I think Shos is genuinely forgetting something here though I do not know what.

[Espeonage]

So the case on is me in relational based?

[sirdanilot]

No it is based on you being scum

[Espeonage]

See this is where I attempted to do something productive and possibly try to refute my wagon and instead of working with me you just go "no, die". Can you see why this isn't fun?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Espeonage fall in line and take a side.

[Desperado]

He also categorically refused to hammer ABR. He said he wouldn't vote his townreads. Why would sirdan and ABR both be on the same level if Majiffy had confirmed sirdan as town to himself?

Saying you wouldn't vote your townreads with time left till deadline really isn't the same thing (and he said that in context of voting Tierce, which makes it inherently more reasonable - a pro-town Tierce is a pro-town force). I certainly wouldn't call what Majiffy said strong evidence for SpyreX's theory but the theory is reasonable.

No, I'm pretty sure Majiffy said he wouldn't vote his townreads when ABR and sirdan were the leading wagons. But this is all moot now anyway.

Tierce, why are you still voting for me if you're town?

Because you're scum. You know better than to do what you did as Town

NO I DON'T. You were accusing me from the left field and I was fed up with you and fakeclaimed as TOWN. I don't share any affinity with sirdan, AT ALL, but he's right about you sucking the joy out of this game. I was tired of the way you were playing and self-sabotaged in retaliation. MY BAD.

NOW WAKE UP if you're town. STOP VOTING FOR ME.

This...isn't even close to reflecting reality. I don't know where sirdan's "privileged white male" bullshit is even coming from.

vc 4.1A (unofficial)
Tierce - 1 -
Albert B. Rampage - 6 - Cogito Ergo Sum, Tierce, shos, Desperado, Elscouta, JacobSavage
Cogito Ergo Sum - 1 - Espeonage
Espeonage - 3 - SpyreX, ActionDan, sirdanilot
Elscouta - 1- Albert B. Rampage

Not voting (1): PeregrineV

Not for an ABR lynch today. Maybe next week, if nothing better can be found, but not right now.

When I first saw this I was excited to see where you might go with it...and then you voted Espeonage.

Shadoweh's self-defeatist attitude leans scum because meta

@ Shadoweh: I wasn't just using one game. There were other things in your uPick play that weren't materializing here either. They still aren't.

When and why did you drop this completely, Desperado?

Sometime around the end of day one, and because she started to look town.

[Desperado]

Espeonage fall in line and take a side.

???

I wonder which way he's gonna go....

[shos]

Stop thinking i am wrong, I have info of my own

I want people to answer what they would do if they were a JK.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Depends on a few things. I wouldn't've jailkept ABR here because his claim seemed sketchy.

[shos]

Ok. More answers please.

[ActionDan]

I so dont trust this exercise