Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[sangres]

No, I'm trolling AP because he's being bad and doing that thing where he calls obvious town scum again.

Yes Kagami is simply dripping with town motivated play, Nacho.

I get why you think its town, but. its. not. town.

Look at the

motivation

. There is no scumhunting, there is no effort to solve the game, there is no.

Passion

. The defense reads a little town, I'll give you that, but look at the big picture. What is Kagami doing that looks town other than that? The soft defense of Flandre, lumped in with other lurkers was scum plain and simple. Town doesn't lump all the lurkers together and call them policy lynches in a negative way. That is what

I

would do if I were protecting a buddy subtly . It is manipulative scumplay and hraahhhh you have been manipulated. I'm here for you though Nacho to guide you to the light . Kagami's focus on her ROLE and nothing else is from scum. It shows that where her attention is, is, well, forced. If it fit into the bigger picture of trying to find scum it would make sense, but. it. does. not. This is a desperation attempt to look town and it is not working. the vote on us is posturing, the wagon analysis was superficial. You are being manipulated by scum.

p-edit: Skull could be scum. I thought the "Devils Advocate, but why would Flandre bus Kagami" comment was scummy.

Your comments about her not scumhunting do hit home, but she's been under extreme pressure from the get-go of day 2.

[sangres]

There is no scumhunting, there is no effort to solve the game, there is no. Passion.

slow starts are a thing

Town doesn't lump all the lurkers together and call them policy lynches in a negative way.

yes they do

Kagami's focus on her ROLE and nothing else is from scum.

no

[Angry Frat BROs]

Even if town would do that so softly, they don't make follow up posts down the line, asserting that FS is still a policy lynch although maybe just not a "bad" policy lynch. Distancing, casting doubt on the lynch, scum motivation.

Kagami's post about you being town for fishing about neighborhood's being day/night chat is likely just an effort to distance from knowing that YOU are in one.

Kagami's focus on her role is scummy and the insistence that someone must have investigated her and I'm scum for not waiting for that result is scum scum scum.

If we aren't lynching obvious scum, can we at least lynch Kaze?

[Kagami]

yes, let's lynch kaze. You can call it a bus.

VOTE: Kaze

[Kagami]

btw, is this bro or AP in the past few posts?

[Angry Frat BROs]

slow starts are a thing

Its page 73 and the most notable 'scum hunting' from Kag is her sttempt to distance from inside knowledge about neighborhoods by calling you town for asking about one.

lynch burn fire

Skull is town, Kaze is scum.

Agree, Disagree. Ceph prob-town too.

VOTE: Brian

Skull/Kaze are both nice candidates for mafia here.

If there is any scum on the brian wagon, I would think it has to be metal sonic or muffin.

Flandre's naked vote is not scummy, imo

.

ASSUMING THAT FS's VOTE IS A SCUMMY THING.

WHY IS THAT
BECAUSE KAGAMI KNOWS IT IS ACTUALLY FROM SCUM.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm afraid some of you are going to be rather disappointed with this lynch.

The only consolation I have for you is that for some bizarre reason, bork has seen fit to make the most bad-assed gynoid ever, capable of generating the Hilbert Effect at a level a hundred times more powerful than a space ship and able to pew pew laser beams like no one else, a mere Vanilla. One of the disappointments of this game was that I got my favorite character, but she's apparently on the same level as canaan and miyuki. I figured there had to be some enabling or activation mechanism, but apparently there either isn't or someone is terrible at picking up crumbs.

Anyway, at least two scum in {kaze, ceph, mastin, cabd, metal sonic}, probably three. Unless you've all taken crazy pills, or the events of last night have magically changed the game-state in a radical fashion, you'd be hard-pressed to look at my wagon and say "gosh, this is a very nice, town-driven wagon! Surely it's on scum!"

I love how you make absolutely zero counterpoints except "you're all crazy".

VOTE: zMuffinman

Him mafiassk one of Angry Frat and cephir

For scum

Can we take care of this one first, pretty please?

can someone unvote

coz even if kagami is scum, i'd prefer this day didn't end so quickly

i really don't like the wagon composition after mastin but eh

Go away. When you find scum, you lynch it. Fuck this "drag out the day lolol" meta that I keep seeing.

Kaze is probably scum, but you'd be crazy to think we both are.

Okay, I have to ask. I'm just so curious as to how you're going to justify this.

Why am I scum?

Brian keeping his vote on himself while his wagon climbed (and climbed all the way to L-1) just didn't strike me as something scum-Brian would do.

Are you kidding me? Brian has been apathy personified as of late.

Too smug to be...
in any danger of dying? at all?

Do you jest or is this a serious question?

More ammo for the Skull-scum train.
Also, who is the only player in this playerlist who would kill Varsoon N1?
SKULL SKULL SKULL

If you derail my precious Kagami wagon I will eviscerate you and use your intestines for a motherfucking jump rope.

Flandre has been in games before?

No but I remember the account itself being mentioned in passing before.

yes, let's lynch kaze. You can call it a bus.

VOTE: Kaze

I love how you're trying to set me up to go down after you flip scum. It won't work, miss. I don't get mislynched very often and you know that.

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For the love of God, Buddha, Arceus, and [insert your favoured deity here] lynch this scum NOW.

[Kagami]

If my flip could actually result in you being "set up" that would be a very good thing.

[Kazekirimaru]

The whole "You're crazy if you think we're scum together" bit was 100% set up.

[Kagami]

I am not scum, so it won't be taken seriously no matter how much I wish it would be.

[Kagami]

But it is crazy to think we'd be scum together; that would mean you pushed a wagon on me day 1 that was very viable and unnecessary.

[Kazekirimaru]

Oh, please. When you flip, it'll look like distancing. You know what you're doing, miss. You're going down and you're doing your best to take someone with you.

Now, I asked - why am I scum?

[Kagami]

Your push on me lacks criticism. Especially in light of some of the AFB posts above, which are very suspicious if that's bro and not AP. You know many of those beliefs are false.

[sangres]

If you derail my precious Kagami wagon I will eviscerate you and use your intestines for a motherfucking jump rope.

Says the guy who tried to derail my precious FS wagon </3

[Kagami]

You also lack scope this game, kaze. I think you're playing to your town-tunnel meta too hard.

[Cephrir]

I'll give you that her conviction on that point seems townish in retrospect (although it was almost implausible how long she clung to that point after everyone told her it was wrong), but is it town enough to make up for her behavior yesterday? I could maybe be convinced to go elsewhere today, but I don't know that I'm sold on where you're going.

What was bad about her behavior yesterday?

I think I mentioned that my read on her was going downhill yesterday. In addition to her hating on the flandre wagon for no discernible reason (which is scummy no matter what flandre flips), I distinctly recall thinking she could be a scumbuddy if it turned out to be right. AP makes a good point about the lack of scumhunting but this wasn't really what rubbed me the wrong way. It started when she suddenly declared me scum, voted me out of the blue (at this time I was a viable wagon) then refused to explain why she voted me for a pretty long time. She also left her vote on me after everyone else had moved while expressing that she was lukewarm about my alignment (see: not scumhunting, I suppose) and the Flandre wagon stuff just made it worse. I also had her low-null in the first place for reasons, but I can't be arsed to remember them.

Help me break free of my early townread on Skull. He *has* been increasingly strange but I don't especially recall you suspecting him elsewhere. Also, maybe it's your heads crossing, but you suggested that Varsoon wasn't the scum kill and that Skull killed Varsoon, so is Skull an SK now?

If you go back and look at day 1, you'll see a lot of posturing and poking and prodding among our neighborhood. I tried to stay mostly in observation mode throughout that, but I came out of the day feeling like scum was most likely in Skull and Aegor. I flipped flopped a few times as to which of them was scummier, but eventually settled on Skull. AFB's Aegor read was a factor.

I did a reach-out in the QT thread, pointing out that Skull's scumreads have been very reactive (sort of in the same way that pie's scumreads were, but it was more of a slow boil in some cases) which doesn't look like any sort of effort at a balanced read of the game. I actually thought the orcinus/Skull interactions over her "rolefishing" looked town v town at first. I changed my mind.

I'll look at D1 again. Your point on reactivity is a good one, though (ironically, I guess the commentary about Aegor trying to turn Skull and I against each other could have been intended to turn Aegor and I against each other? lol). I think orcinus is scum, though; is he that bad at distancing?

yes, let's lynch kaze. You can call it a bus.

VOTE: Kaze

Please never do this.

However, you've reminded me that I was thinking Kaze could be scum if you flipped town for some reason.

Even if town would do that so softly, they don't make follow up posts down the line, asserting that FS is still a policy lynch although maybe just not a "bad" policy lynch. Distancing, casting doubt on the lynch, scum motivation.

This. It was really strange. But some of your other points aren't so hot.

[Kazekirimaru]

Your push on me lacks criticism. Especially in light of some of the AFB posts above, which are very suspicious if that's bro and not AP. You know many of those beliefs are false.

Expound, s'il vous plait?

[Cephrir]

Your push on me lacks criticism. Especially in light of some of the AFB posts above,

which are very suspicious if that's bro and not AP

. You know many of those beliefs are false.

Why?

[Cephrir]

Why do I keep having to ask why this game? Do you all not realize reasons are a thing?

I seem to recall an era when people actually explained their thought processes.

[Kagami]

"Kagami's focus on her ROLE and nothing else is from scum."

^this and it's associated points should ring very, very false to you (and to bro too), but you seem very unconcerned with dissolving inaccuracies in peoples' thinking.

[Kazekirimaru]

Yes, that's inherently incorrect. You're a setup and role player, I know that. Just because they're reading you right for the wrong reasons doesn't mean I'm reading you wrong.

[Kagami]

Doesn't that strike you as an odd thing for BRO to say?

[Kazekirimaru]

I'll cross that bridge when I need to.

[Angry Frat BROs]

Its not BRO so who cares

[Cephrir]

Hey Kagami you did that thing where you ignore me again

Do you even read my posts