Mini 1537: ATTACK ON TITAN (Game Over!)

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTECOUNT 5.4

Paschendale (1):

kthxbye

No Lynch (2):

Kagami, BROseidon

Not Voting (5)

: Brian Skies, Rancid Broderick Drake, Paschendale

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch and 3 to no-lynch.

Day 5 ends in (expired on 2014-02-20 22:50:00)

Mod Comments:

[Kagami]

Alright, since we're stating reads:

bro is scum.


Imagine it's night 2 and you are the scum-team. All the roles are on the table, there is:

A claimed JoAT with entirely unknown shots
A miller
A bodyguard
A mystery role with an ability that wasn't used night one (because it's unclear how it could be used in a pro-town way)
A bunch of other stuff that makes no difference

You decide to block the mystery role and kill a vanilla town. Btw, you also have a JoAT of your own who likely has 1-shot strongman. No sane scum-team would do this. You would have to assume the JoAT has a cop shot (and he probably did), since otherwise there's no point to having a miller. You would not let that live, and at the very least you would not block some silly mystery ability rather than the probable copping.

Kthx brings up an interesting point: bro is Ymir. Yes, he is almost certainly the flavor he's claimed. That does not mean he's town, it just means that his fake-claim has the same flavor as his real claim. If this were not the case, then it would mean that kthx, bro, kaze, pirate, and tammy would be conf-town by flavor alone, which is insane. It would also make the flavor cop a real cop, which would also be broken.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bro

[Kagami]

...
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand finally there's Kagami, who I still think is town. But the one issue I have with Kagami is that Misao was a much better all-round character in LS and should have got more air time. Maybe Kagami hogging the spotlight points to her being scum? Who knows?

Actually, akira is the best.

[Kagami]

Also, it's probably that bro is something like a tracker or rolecop, and he knew kaze had used his gear through its failure.

[BROseidon]

Kagami, your analysis is wrong for two major reasons:

1) I'm town.
2) Scum could have anticipated a commute, in which case they wouldn't have been able to kill me.

[BROseidon]

Like, scum probably chose to block kthx b/c they assumed I would commute off of picking up AD's powers.

VOTE: Pasch <-This is the lynch today if we aren't NLing.

[BROseidon]

Further, why did BRO choose to use Track->Vig when the vig shot would have made it MyLo if he guessed wrong (which it turns out he would have if he's town)?

Because I though Kaze was scum, and he was our next lynch regardless.

I hate vig shots and wanted to conftown myself with it by killing the least objectionable target.

[GuyInFreezer]

Brian Skies hasn't pick up his prod thus he will be replaced.

[Kagami]

Like, scum probably chose to block kthx b/c they assumed I would commute off of picking up AD's powers.

VOTE: Pasch <-This is the lynch today if we aren't NLing.

You think their JoAT didn't have a strongman? Or that they used it day one on someone who almost certainly didn't see the kill coming?

If they were so afraid of kthx's power, why not kill him instead? He was just about as universally town-read as pie was. Wouldn't killing him and blocking you be a radically safer and smarter move? He as good as claimed that he was going to use his ability that night, so no chance of a commute, even...

[BROseidon]

Does a strongman bypass a commute?

Also, they might have assumed that kthx was a cop based on the "I'm not revealing my role" stuff?

Maybe mastin guided the pie kill? He respects pie a lot as a player.

There's a lot of possibilities here that are equally viable.

[Kagami]

Yes.

No, he didn't use his ability night one and wasn't sure how to use it in a pro-town way. Does that sound like a cop?

meh.

no, they really aren't

[Kagami]

Ok, nvm, you are correct on the commute thing. Doesn't matter, still warranted a block even if they believed that was likely.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

I think BRO is less likely to be scum than Pasch/Brian, actually. Brian being replaced sucks because I kind of wanted to engage with him on stuff and see an explanation for that quote I pulled up.

I want to go back and read D1 since I think the mastin/f16 interactions from D1 are going to be the most useful to look at.

[Kthxbye]

Pasch: is there a reason you arent active in this game? You were super active in earlier days and now you have posted once and that was when you thought rbd and i were going to try and lynch eachother...looks like you are hiding now.

[BROseidon]

Pasch or NL or bust!

Pasch/NL 2014.

Pasch–

I need more slogans :/

[Kagami]

~just waiting on replace~

[GuyInFreezer]

Paschendale has been prodded.

[Paschendale]

Pasch: is there a reason you arent active in this game? You were super active in earlier days and now you have posted once and that was when you thought rbd and i were going to try and lynch eachother...looks like you are hiding now.

As I said several times before, I just moved to a new apartment and I don't have internet there yet. It's actually proving to be a horrendous pain to get my new place set up. I have to use internet at friends' places and the laptop that I'm typing this on is actually breaking right now. Mafia is a little low on my priorities right now, but I'm trying to check in when I can.

So, why are people voting for me? Is it because of this gross misrep?

Why did Paschendale flip-flop on his Bert read so hard? I think it was because mastin was a counter-wagon (which would also explain his complete unwillingness to vote mastin yesterday despite claiming to find him scummy). Also, why did Paschendale choose to neighbourise Bert in the first place? I thought my other head asked this as some point, but I don't remember seeing an answer. Also what stopped the neighbourise going through? Scum JOAT probably doesn't have two shots at a roleblock, so unless they have some other way to interfere with night abilities, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that the neighbourise didn't work if Kthx is town.

First, I thought Bert was town at the end of day 1. I was pretty miffed at a lot of other players because of the wagon on me and the complete resistance to my thoughts over the "weak" stuff, so I went with Bert for neighborizing. It was more of a whim than a calculated decision. I do not know why it failed.

I didn't end up on the Mastin wagon because it went down mostly while I wasn't around. I didn't even really get a chance to comment on it before it was done.

So what if Kthx isn't town? I'm not seeing any reasons from him for attacking me. Scum saving me for a late game mislynch seems pretty reasonable, given the resistance to a lot of my ideas so far. I'm not scum, just unpopular.

Kagami, I'm not following your reasonsing so much. "No sane scum team would do this"... but isn't that what you think they did? I'm confused. Could you elaborate?

I think Brian and Kthx are pretty obviously our two remaining scum. Kagami, Bro, and BRD are pretty solidly town. And if anyone is hiding, it's Brian. Brian should be our lynch today. He didn't vote on day 2 or 3 at all. He's been avoiding taking definite stands and has done everything he can to fly under the radar. His vote on Mastin looked like a last minute joining to bus a teammate when it looked like a forgone conclusion.

VOTE: Brian

Let's not make someone replace into a doomed scumslot just to die.

[Kthxbye]

Kag: do me a favor and vote Pasche for a bit.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

First, I thought Bert was town at the end of day 1. I was pretty miffed at a lot of other players because of the wagon on me and the complete resistance to my thoughts over the "weak" stuff, so I went with Bert for neighborizing. It was more of a whim than a calculated decision. I do not know why it failed.

So this would partially explain why a hypothetical town-Paschendale would target Bert, but it is not what I am interested in. I am aware ye had a town read on Bert at the end of D1, I am also aware that ye reiterated yer thoughts on Bert on D2 several times, noting he was still a town read despite the hammer. Then near the end of D2 when mastin was a viable wagon, ye changed yer read on Bert and voted him. This is what does not add up.

I didn't end up on the Mastin wagon because it went down mostly while I wasn't around. I didn't even really get a chance to comment on it before it was done.

This is also false. On D3 ye were around when it was happening (I specifically asked ye about it and ye responded to me), but I was actually referring to D2 when I mentioned the mastin counter-wagon (mastin was the counter-wagon to Bert, the person ye reversed yer read on). Ye were around when it was happening. And ye voted someone who was previously a strong town read over it.

[Kthxbye]

zzzzzzz

this game got really boring really fast....

[Kagami]

I don't see any value in proceeding to day 4 without a full player-list, especially one who has a solid chance of being scum.

[Kagami]

day 6, rather

[Kagami]

but I agree with the sentiment =\

[GuyInFreezer]

BROseidon has been prodded.