Open 541 - Too Many Heads Mafia (Game Over)

[Ms Marangal]

because I have no experience with you other than Desp telling me you were his bro and you won a scum-game

[Formerfish]

Fair enough. That at the reckoning?

[Ms Marangal]

and, when it comes to hydra's, I tend to read the easier head if I can... or the one that I'm more familiar with


NO REGRETS

Pedit: I think so

[Athenas Fury]

I'm sorry

I really did think we were hammered that day. I really did get upset about it, but it was more because I was super stressed that day, I was super busy at work, hadn't slept and I felt like I had let fishy down. Actually I thought we were hammered twice that day. Fishy was really nice telling me not to worry about it when I had a meltdown in our qt though.

I really did try hard to inject an emotional reaction like I would as town though, but I was also telling the truth about me trying to change my meta so that I'm not as reactive.

[mastin2]

Also, apologies to Mhork for the voting stunt. I think in hindsight, my plan is kinda obvious: I never intended for Mhork/Mindy to be lynched. I knew that if any of the three of us needed to die, it'd be me, and that if I were to die, the best way to do so would be to bus, which in lylo is specifically what I say NOT to do. Fortunately, I managed to get off with an excuse, and got AFB off using a truthful piece of insight: the scum allowed town players to vote other town players. In fact, the scum allowed MULTIPLE town players to vote DIFFERENT town players, and that was the plan all-along. AFB-Mara. Mara-Si/Am. Because coordinating a quickhammer would be near-impossible and we had contradictory stances, it was a necessity. I told you all it was happening. In fact, I was a

ridiculously

cheeky scumbag.

HAY THAR MASTIN, YOU REPLACES INTOCA SCUM SLOT, HOWS IT FEEL MATE

It's awesome. I've got [Lord Mhork/Penguin Alien] and [Tammy] as my scumbuddies, and they're totally awesome. Then again, I'm up against [Angry Pidgeon/Guyett/ETL], [zMuffinMan], [MS Marangal], [Mac/Varsoon], and [Malakittens], which makes the game much harder, but eh, it's part of the fun.

Edited with the blanks filled in.

It had a much higher priority than this game because I needed to fix the neglect I'd given that game (died before I could, though :/), whereas here I just replaced in and figured

I could

coast

for a bit

.

Among others.

[Ms Marangal]

oh, no He told me that when he requested the Pre-in for my game, I never went to the reckoning

[mastin2]

Butyeah. I have to say that this feels like one of the least-deserved wins in my scum career. This game was poison.

[Ms Marangal]

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: MS MARNGAL

IF YOU HAVE AN OUNCE OF PITY FOR MY POOR POOR TOWN WINRATE WHICH IS SUCKING RECENTLY.

OR AN OUNCE OF RESPECT FOR MY READS (MASTIN ON THE 8% CHANCE YOU ARE TOWN)

WE ARE LYNCHING THIS OBVIOUS SCUM SLOT IMMEDIATELY.

FUCKING.

MOLLIE YOU WERE INTERACTING WITH OBVSCUM ON D1 BUT TOO STUBBORN TO SEE IT, FOR FUCKS SAKE.

Pigey
0:2

Mara:
2:0

I'm calling this, right now.

PIGGEEEYYYY

[Ms Marangal]

Butyeah. I have to say that this feels like one of the least-deserved wins in my scum career. This game was poison.

You...

You got in my head so many times, it was the scariest fucking thing in the world

[mastin2]

You got in my head so many times, it was the scariest fucking thing in the world

That's funny, because I really wasn't trying to.

My aim was mainly to shake AP/Guyett off of me. I knew fighting off zMuff was a lost cause so never even bothered, but I was interacting with you as a formality in my efforts to shake AP/Guyett rather than to get into your head. I was actually aiming to get inside AngryPidgeon's mind, along-side maybe-ETL (if she was still playing at all) and maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe-Guyett.

[mastin2]

Although...

I did get into the mindset of zMuff and try to use his points against him...before he thought to make them. And in that regard, I think I did succeed a little bit.

[mastin2]

(In particular, the bits about the tone and the manipulation. <3 zMuff.)

[Mhork and Mindy]

I don't want to comment here on the game as a whole until the flip and official end so I'm not making judgments when dead people can't post, but I agree that this game was quite fraught.

[Athenas Fury]

But yeah, there was a lot of poison in this game, and like mhork and mindy I'll refrain from commenting on things until the game is officially called, but yeah.

[Ms Marangal]

Tammy, you're going to be a default scum-read from now on

[mastin2]

Final post before official flip.

[Still haven't checked it out, but basically...my thought is that this being a 7p lylo, it's nearly impossible for the scum to coordinate a quick-lynch. (Especially since scum players rarely if ever hold the same reads on players--for instance, a scum player defending a town player can't suddenly place an L-1 "meh" vote without it potentially backfiring.) So, I don't think they'd even try.

Instead, they'd try to set up townVtown fights, and get not only one, but potentially TWO town players voting another town player.

That way, they could hammer far more easily. And even if not. Even if they didn't...

the very fact that they didn't would leave the town players absolutely convinced the other is confscum BECAUSE they didn't.

Allowing the scum to talk to each other. Some taking one side. The others taking the other side. And eventually one side convincing the other side. Bam. Scum hammer for a win, without us having even realized they were setting it up.

This part was, as mentioned, me basically broadcasting the scumteam's plan. (I lack subtlety? )

I caught wind of this being possible from a quick skim of Rancid's later iso. I'm thinking Rancid's scum this game (I'm not only not getting townvibes, but what I read of Rancid's iso gave me scumvibes*).
*In fact, what I'm reading of his contribution in the last day or so has seemed highly manipulative. Like. I know zMuff. I can sense his scumgame. And, well. This is it. He's not scumhunting; he's manipulating. I'll try to show it more later. I'm still trying to figure it out for sure.

zMuff is posting not to analyze for who the scum are, but to manipulate things so that the town think each other are scum. For instance, his posting on D2 said I was town, if you look at it. Now that it's lylo rather than the day before lylo, though...he's suddenly scumreading me. Frankly, this is rats-ass backwards from what it should be. Now that it's lylo, though, and I lived...he's here, attacking me, insisting I'm scum despite him damn-well knowing this isn't my scumgame. All-in-all, his stances seem highly "convenient". That is, he's willing to lynch anyone he knows isn't scum. And he's encouraging those fights. Encouraging people to think I'm scum. All in all...I don't see the town zMuf I know. This is his scumplay, through-and-through.

(I could quote more of these types of lines, but you get the idea.) For the record, I did in fact not see Rancid as being obvtown from the skim, but I wouldn't have scumread him. But I knew a town-me would post this, and that zMuff was going to begin posting stuff like this, so I decided to beat him to the punch. Basically everything here is something he used on me. Highly manipulative. (I was.) Sensing "his" scumgame. (Sensing mine.) Not scumhunting. (I wasn't.) Setting town at each others' throats. (Yep!) Townread-to-scumread. (I sorta did this.) "Convenient" stances. (Yep!) Willing to lynch anyone not scum. Encouraging those fights, and encouraging people to think the counterpart is scum. (Rancid rather than me.) Not the town-version, at all. Scumplay through-and-through. As he himself said...the irony is delicious.

[Athenas Fury]

Tammy, you're going to be a default scum-read from now on

But I'm always town.

[Si and Am]

Figures the game ends before I could post again

Sorry I could not pull more out with this one peeps but meh It was rather difficult for me. I felt pretty bad from when we lynched Nacho on D1

Looks like our top scum read was off but our 2nd stringers were right.

Rach

[zMuffinMan]

oh did we lose?

[zMuffinMan]

meh. nati knows i went into this day phase thinking it was mastin+tammy+1 and the +1 i wasn't sure on

tis a pity i couldn't argue the point stronger

[zMuffinMan]

Z-2
02-07-2014
07:42 AM ET (US)
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prob not

generic tammy mastin?

siam tammy mastin?

PFR tammy mastin maybe? probably not

all i have really is tammy mastin scum

:<

[zMuffinMan]

whatever, i don't think town lost because of the mod kills and i don't think town lost because scum played particularly well. i think town lost because nobody really gave a shit and a lot of people did stupid stuff (like hammering nacho without a claim to prove a point, or stuffed crust being absolutely fucking useless except for forcing scum to kill them coz lol PR)

gg nevertheless i guess. it was impossible to lynch tammy with mara arguing against it so strongly which was kinda disappointing. i backed off thinking i would try to lynch scum outside of tammy for a while and when mastin replaced in i was pretty confident in my read there (i find mastin is incredibly easy to read and i dunno why people have difficulty picking up on his scum game)

i suck at arguing for my preferred lynches i guess

[zMuffinMan]

also kudos to mhork for writing 1624 - it was literally the only reason i thought your slot could be town but it was a good post. i did not expect mhork to write a post relaying PA's thoughts as scum - i was never really confident in m&m town but it was enough to make me unsure on my read there

[Guyett]

Ah well :/

[Lord Mhork]

I'm really transparently town, guys. >.<
Scum or town. I'm super transparent. Also there was a ton of coaching in the skype and QT and I /adore/ the fact that P_A let me puppet master.

Mastin, my plan was basically foolproof. Your stunt was completely and totally unnecessary