Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[sangres]

Agree about our shelf lives. That's why I want to talk as much as possible before thread closure.

Any other reads/concerns you want to get into the thread? I have slightly less urgency because neighborhood.

[Cabd]

Nothing terrible. Oh! Look at AFB's trajectory on mastin.

[Skullduggery]

Why would Flandre, in an act of survivalism, add momentum to a counter-wagon on his own partner when he could have just as easily joined the equally viable Metal Sonic, Muffin, or Mastin wagons?

Because Flandre was obviously going to die and this was likely just some last minute distancing.

Distancing by "trying" to counter wagon a partner that wouldn't get lynched to buy them towncred?

Alright, fair points. Maybe it was a dumb question, but I didn't get the impression that Flandre knew he was doomed at that point. (If he did, why would he give us 1450?)

Rolenames are not a defense in any way, shape or form; they never have been, and they never will be.

Not voting yet, but Kagami is scum.

Except we don't know what Kagami's role name is. Do you have something you'd like to share with the rest of the class?

Took a quick skim throught the FS wagon. In addition to Kagami, possible bus votes include Skull, Kaze, mastin? (I don't know what to make of that weird bullshit, could see town playing around or cheeky scum in a void but still think mastin is scum independent of this issue so yeah)

If Kagami is indeed scum I feel a little better about Kaze (why the hell do you vote hop to your scumbuddy there?)

You say that Kaze is a possible bus vote, but a Scum flip from Kagami would mean that Kaze is Town? What? Take me through your logic here, because I don't see how that makes sense.

Kagami is crack under pressure feel free to lynch

At what point did this "crack" happen?

WIFOM alert: possible that scum leave pieguyrn alive(if town) so town can do the job for them?

They'd need to get rid of me first, because I'll fight any attempt to lynch Pieguy as vigorously as I can.

What are the different hoods again?

1: [AFB, Venmar, Metal Sonic]
2: [Skullduggery, Sangres, Gooner, Macmollie, Aegor]

I think there's a third neighborhood, but as far as I know, its existence has only been hinted so far. They can reveal themselves if they want to.

I'll agree that Gooner is somebody I don't feel town from. I hate to call it a gut read but it kind of is. Specifically though his whole "AFB likely SK slipped" and then backpedaling into "WELL its only relevant if there IS an SK" when I OMGUS'd him about it felt like lolscum.

Is your read of Gooner shaped by Brian's play in any way? It's kind of difficult to overlook how apathetic he was about this whole game, and I have a hard time reading it as anything but Town-apathy.

Also, who is the only player in this playerlist who would kill Varsoon N1?
SKULL SKULL SKULL

What makes you say this? What led you to the conclusion that I'm the

only

person who would want to kill Varsoon?

This was pretty clearly Town-Varsoon, but he wasn't making enough of an impact to draw the attention of a protective role. That's my theory.

And this sort of theory is why you're scum.

That makes no sense. How does this incriminate me specifically?

Skull could be scum. I thought the "Devils Advocate, but why would Flandre bus Kagami" comment was scummy.

That possibility didn't make sense to me at the time, so I inquired about it. That's it. If asking potentially-silly questions makes me scummy, then I'd be the Day 1 lynch all the time every day always because that's kind of what I do.

In this same post, you told Sangres to "look at the big picture." Why aren't you following your own advice here? Why are you so ready to throw out

everything else

that I've done in this game so you can focus on one stupid little question and call me Scum because of it?

If you go back and look at day 1, you'll see a lot of posturing and poking and prodding among our neighborhood.

"A lot"? Quote examples of this, please. As far as I remember, I only brought it up once (228)?

I did a reach-out in the QT thread, pointing out that Skull's scumreads have been very reactive (sort of in the same way that pie's scumreads were, but it was more of a slow boil in some cases) which doesn't look like any sort of effort at a balanced read of the game.

You did indeed, but I thought you were trying to help me. Why would you bring this to my attention if you thought I was Scum?

I ISO'd skull. I dont think Ive ever seen a worse quote stripper.

Do you mean that I'm bad at it or that I do it a lot? Either way...

Who made the comment about SkullDug being town cause their meta would be hard to fake?

Kagami.



Aaaaaand I just saw the hammer on Page 76. Gonna post this now before the thread gets locked. Will keep reading and respond to the last few pages if we're still in twilight by then.

[Cabd]

^scumpost

[sangres]

Skull, welcome to feryland. I make a habit of suspending disbelief and talking to scumreads like they could be town, and then see what sorts of echoes I get back. Sometimes I decide my read was bad.

So far, I haven't in your case.

[Cabd]

Also for the record, if SSK is some sort of town PR, then fuck random.org up the ass. Why is it that the lurkers and the PLbait always draw PRs?

Wayne, SSK, et al.

[Angry Frat BROs]

Ssk is town. Mastin may be scum

[Cabd]

And now I'm VT. Joyous.

It's a better haul than the Trust Fund one shot in Xenogears.

Ironically I disagree and I should have towned BRO for that gambit in hindsight.

[sangres]

And now I'm VT. Joyous.

It's a better haul than the Trust Fund one shot in Xenogears.

Ironically I disagree and I should have towned BRO for that gambit in hindsight.

Maybe so. You all but confirmed Pie though. Same with AD probably.

[Cabd]

My scumread on the muffin comes from lack of posting, sheeping varsoon's non existent case on me, and then when asked why I'm scum, vanishing instead of delivering.

[Cabd]

Scumpool is sitting at:

Upper tier read (more likely): {skull, mastin, muffin}
Lower tier read: {AFB, Venmar, mollie}
FUckifIknowbuttargetedffery: {SSK}

[macmollie]

okay I am caught up

frat bros I am not gonna lie I thought that you were crumbing a guilty on kagami with the straight out vote at the gate and the impetus. she is providing reads after her lynch and is engaged so I think she is gonna flip town.

I have had to iso and go back and reread a key few things like danny boy saying sangres and frat bros were scum but I think he was being sarcastic? I am pretty sure he was except that sangres does not think that varsoon was the nk yet they think skull is scum cos she would have wanted to nk varsoon and they quoted a post and everything. it seems to me weird that that there are now 3 claimed neighborhoods and and yet 2 players who are invariably linked also have a neighborhood who are supposed to be town. I am town reading sangres and I found it funny that every1 was so oh scum can be smug too while recognising this as a relative tell for fery. balance wise things aren't adding up! but I am not going to go all gung ho on that cos it would be too weird if sangres and danny boy decided to steamroll town with their claims why would you tie yourself to some1 like that I can see if it is some1 you know super well but neither of those players do I don't think.

there are still some things I am trying to figure out.

eta: a bunch of xpost I will get to them

I am going to try to come up with a list before the thread is closed.

sangres can you plz explain as to why in 1 instance you said that you didn't think varsoon was the nk and then voted skull and 1 of the reasons that I gathered is cos you thought she would have nked varsoon? cos that doesn't even make sense

also thoughts on mastina other than nacho has her as town? also can you explain your read danny boy?

ffs I wasn't ready for the day to be over by a long shot

[Angry Frat BROs]

How plausible is venmar/ms scumteam?

[Cabd]

Townpool is sitting at:

{Pie, fferycho, dan} for upper town.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 2.4 (Final)

[10] Kagami (Angry Frat Bros, Venmar, mastin2, Metal Sonic, Cephrir, Kazekirimaru, macmollie, pieguyn, Aegor, ActionDan)

[1] Kazekirimaru (Kagami)
[1] Skullduggery (sangres)

[6] Not Voting (Gooner, Cabd, MafiaSSK, orcinus_theoriginal, Skullduggery, zMuffinMan)

With 18 alive, it is 10 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

A lynch has been reached! Flip incoming!

[borkjerfkin]

Kagami

KOS-MOS
Chaos Aligned
Consciousness of Mary Magdalene (Vanilla Townie)

was lynched Day 2.

Night 2 begins now. Night actions due in (expired on 2014-02-13 20:30:00)

.

[borkjerfkin]

Reminder: deadline in ~7.5 hours.

[borkjerfkin]

Cabd

MOMO Mizrahi
Chaos Aligned
100 Series Realian (Town 1-Shot Permanent Watcher)

was killed Night 2.

pieguyn

chaos
Chaos Aligned
Avatar of Yeshua (Town 1-Shot Bulletproof Bodyguard)

was killed Night 2.

Day 3 begins now.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 3.0

[15] Not Voting (ActionDan, Aegor, Angry Frat Bros, Gooner, Cephrir, Kazekirimaru, macmollie, MafiaSSK, mastin2, Metal Sonic, orcinus_theoriginal, sangres, Skullduggery, Venmar, zMuffinMan)

With 15 alive, it is 8 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-02-27 21:00:00)

[Cabd]

"Why do you hurt people? My sisters...they all loved something they saw in you. And even after all that you put them through, they still believed in you...how...how could you desecrate their feelings?! Their hearts!"

~Bah

[sangres]

@SSK

why did you visit me on night 1?

Metal Sonic

what was that shit about 3 neighborhoods?

[Cephrir]

Well, I daresay neither of those is a vig shot.

In other news, I think Kaze is noticeably scummier given Kagami's flip.

[Cephrir]

@Skull from yesterday: I thought Kaze was a possible bus vote on Flandre and that he would look better if Kagami (who he hopped off to) was scum, but she wasn't.

[Kazekirimaru]

well fuck me sideways

rubbish

[MafiaSSK]

@SSK

why did you visit me on night 1?

Metal Sonic

what was that shit about 3 neighborhoods?

Reading ffery is like trying to make a virus go through a firewall. It just doesn't work. Ffery will pretty much always be my night 1 action so that I at least have some clue.