Newbie 1476 - Game Over

[Not_Mafia]

Scum should claim

[burn_209]

VOTE: NOTSCIENCE

Just because he is a familiar face and I've played with him before. Hopefully we get some good discussion going. i saw a gain that was 4 days long and only 18 pages and i was like LOL that sucks

[notscience]

Scum should claim

This is town

Rach is town too

VOTE: Zivel

GM wagon with me

[Not_Mafia]

I love wagons

UNVOTE: goodmorning
VOTE: Zivel

This is my second favourite type of wagon, behind this...

[notscience]

I like this guy, he's going places.

[Not_Mafia]

Actually, Zivel is the completely new guy, so he may not respond well to pressure even if he is town. I'd rather start a wagon on someone with a little more experience; it would probably be more productive.

@RachMarie, is notty notscience? If so I don't paticularly want to put a third vote on him.

UNVOTE: Zivel
VOTE: Luca Blight

You know you wanna follow

[notscience]

Yeah notty is what I'm called because Rach's fiance is NS and calling me ns doesn't work so it's notty

Also, newb-town flail is a beautiful beautiful thing and distinguishable from scumflail

[Graeyfurredmutt]

Due to the lack of nuance in text I can't actually tell if you are saying that Not_mafia's actions imply town or if your being sarcastic and you feel the two look essentially the same. Would you care to elaborate?

[burn_209]

Actually, Zivel is the completely new guy, so he may not respond well to pressure even if he is town. I'd rather start a wagon on someone with a little more experience; it would probably be more productive.

@RachMarie, is notty notscience? If so I don't paticularly want to put a third vote on him.

UNVOTE: Zivel
VOTE: Luca Blight

You know you wanna follow

Quality town post right here. I like it and the logic behind it! So ill follow suit

VOTE: Luca

[burn_209]

Yeah notty is what I'm called because Rach's fiance is NS and calling me ns doesn't work so it's notty

Also, newb-town flail is a beautiful beautiful thing and distinguishable from scumflail

Ive seen a lot of newbies flail hard and get lynched for it thus putting us back

[notscience]

Due to the lack of nuance in text I can't actually tell if you are saying that Not_mafia's actions imply town or if your being sarcastic and you feel the two look essentially the same. Would you care to elaborate?

Not actions, just the way he sounded.

Yeah notty is what I'm called because Rach's fiance is NS and calling me ns doesn't work so it's notty

Also, newb-town flail is a beautiful beautiful thing and distinguishable from scumflail

Ive seen a lot of newbies flail hard and get lynched for it thus putting us back

that's because tunneling is a thing and people don't take time to reconsider plus it's easy for scum to help

[notscience]

Due to the lack of nuance in text I can't actually tell if you are saying that Not_mafia's actions imply town or if your being sarcastic and you feel the two look essentially the same. Would you care to elaborate?

Not actions, just the way he sounded.

Yeah notty is what I'm called because Rach's fiance is NS and calling me ns doesn't work so it's notty

Also, newb-town flail is a beautiful beautiful thing and distinguishable from scumflail

Ive seen a lot of newbies flail hard and get lynched for it thus putting us back

that's because tunneling is a thing and people don't take time to reconsider plus it's easy for scum to help

[burn_209]

Double post? Obviously must be scum!

Also it's because when people fight hard to save their ass people automatically assume they are scum. It takes a while for people to learn that the goal of the game is to find scum not who can survive the longest.

[Zivel]

VOTE: notscience

I dont like your tone, picking on the newbs is mean.

[Graeyfurredmutt]

Double post? Obviously must be scum!

Also it's because when people fight hard to save their ass people automatically assume they are scum. It takes a while for people to learn that the goal of the game is to find scum not who can survive the longest.

Well yeah the goal is to find the mafia and not to survive but of course when you just lie down and let yourself get lynched that means you're allowing a townie to get lynched which is generally not terribly helpful.

[notscience]

Double post? Obviously must be scum!

Also it's because when people fight hard to save their ass people automatically assume they are scum. It takes a while for people to learn that the goal of the game is to find scum not who can survive the longest.

Well yeah the goal is to find the mafia and not to survive but of course when you just lie down and let yourself get lynched that means you're allowing a townie to get lynched which is generally not terribly helpful.

^town

[serrapaladin]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 1.01

Zivel (1) - notscience
Luca Blight (2) - Not_Mafia, burn_209
notscience (2) - RachMarie, Zivel

Not Voting (4) - Graeyfurredmutt, joker443, Luca Blight, goodmorning

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2014-03-01 23:59:59).

Note: goodmorning is V/LA until Tuesday. She is the IC, but with notsci and Rach, you have two fantastic SE's and I'm sure they'd be willing to answer any questions you may have.

[burn_209]

Double post? Obviously must be scum!

Also it's because when people fight hard to save their ass people automatically assume they are scum. It takes a while for people to learn that the goal of the game is to find scum not who can survive the longest.

Well yeah the goal is to find the mafia and not to survive but of course when you just lie down and let yourself get lynched that means you're allowing a townie to get lynched which is generally not terribly helpful.

Well there is a difference between that and flailing. There is a difference between debating and putting a fight and going completely apeshit

[Luca Blight]

Actually, Zivel is the completely new guy, so he may not respond well to pressure even if he is town. I'd rather start a wagon on someone with a little more experience; it would probably be more productive.

@RachMarie, is notty notscience? If so I don't paticularly want to put a third vote on him.

UNVOTE: Zivel
VOTE: Luca Blight

You know you wanna follow

Quality town post right here. I like it and the logic behind it! So ill follow suit

VOTE: Luca

By the same logic you would be an even more suitable vote, so I will VOTE: burn

My early reads:

Obviously not much to go on yet. NS is seems pretty certain Not_Mafia and mutt are Town; personally I don't like to rule anyone out based on one post. NS could be trying to trying to get a couple of players onside early on by taking the heat off of them, but then it might just be his style to make these quick judgement calls on new players.

Not_Mafia is making an early attempt to lead the proceedings, probably given confidence by NS's read of him. From a newbie perspective his early confident approach does seem Town, particularly the fact that his preference is to take on the slightly more experienced players, but then as he said in an earlier post he isn't a complete newbie at this game.

[RachMarie]

good to see some discussion going on right away, discussion is good for town.

And of course though GM is the IC in this game, I am happy to help. So if you have any questions about game theory and so on, feel free to ask.

What I did was an RVS vote, (Random Voting Stage) You will find it is very popular on this site. Mainly because it gets you out and voting even though you have nothing really to vote on. So you see people vote for silly or odd reasons. Getting out of RVS and into discussion is important.

[goodmorning]

Careful, Luca.

Why does he have to be careful may I ask? Are we not allowed to talk about activity?

You can talk about activity, but one must be careful when discussing ongoing games.

Also, newb-town flail is a beautiful beautiful thing and distinguishable from scumflail

I concur.

But if this is really going to happen it'll have to be on someone who's somewhat active...

Obviously not much to go on yet. NS is seems pretty certain Not_Mafia and mutt are Town; personally I don't like to rule anyone out based on one post. NS could be trying to trying to get a couple of players onside early on by taking the heat off of them, but then it might just be his style to make these quick judgement calls on new players.

Generally forming reads early is a good thing to do, although one must remember that confbias is bad.

Not_Mafia is making an early attempt to lead the proceedings, probably given confidence by NS's read of him. From a newbie perspective his early confident approach does seem Town,

particularly the fact that his preference is to take on the slightly more experienced players,

but then as he said in an earlier post he isn't a complete newbie at this game.

Your analysis here is deeply interesting to me.

Actually Zivel's response to notsci's proposed wagon is kinda weak, but then I also like the burn wagon starting just because.
Hmmm.

Vote: Zivel

Should be L-2.

[Not_Mafia]

Zivel is on L-3.

This Zivel wagon sucks; it only has two wheels and one of them is on the roof, plus everyone gets a Zune. Luca's wagon has Iphone 5s.

As far as early reads go I don't have much, notscience calling town on every other post is a little weird but I don't know his meta so eh.

[notscience]

GM, would you agree that Not Mafia and the dogg thing are both town?

I can seriously see myself (as town) saying the last post except change the "eh" to "meh"

[Graeyfurredmutt]

What would the mafia do today. My assumption is that they would naturally want to just let the town make a wild guess and hit a townie so as to attract minimal attention to themselves. The more active and obvious someone is the easier it is to analyze them and find the small hints. So that would leave us with a question of what are they actually doing. I personally prefer as mafia to have the group be diverse. While being just helpful enough to not look bad and just quiet enough to not be obvious is probably the safest, assuming people don't look there first due to anticipating strategies, it's not the most useful. Being a leader of the town can be quite profitable for the mafia. So what do you think?

[notscience]

I think if anyone's not townreading you after 48 we're going to fisticuffs