The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

SpyreX · Post Post #1800 (ISO) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:15 pm

Unvote, Vote: Espeonage

CES is way off the plate. Maaybe some kind of elaborate planning but I'm not entertaining it at this point.

AD I want to ride the fence on since JS was on him being town earlier than I'd expect but I'm not super interested in at this point either.

shos is either a mastermind or is town and probably the latter.

sirDan is still town.

There's probably two left.

Tierce, Desperado, Espeonage, Elscouta, PeregrineV

Of that group I'd put heaver money on scum in the center then the ends. Tierce runnin the train and then killing ABR doesn't make a lot of sense as scum and I still like PV although I'd like more.

Maybe today we can get er dunn.

SpyreX · Post Post #1801 (ISO) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:31 pm

Spoiler: D1

Spoiler: D2

Spoiler: D3

Spoiler: D4

SpyreX · Post Post #1802 (ISO) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:44 pm

Shos: At this point, would laying out everything that you know help?

Espeonage · Post Post #1803 (ISO) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:47 pm

Sets from Day 1.
First four votes on Jacob wagon. Likely a single bus here. Tierce, Desperado, sirdanilot, shos
People off the Aegor wagon, wifom-y but I don't see all the scums pushing themselves together on the day 1 lynch wagon. Spyrex, Espeonage, CES, Desp

Will wade through as I'm not eating.

btw Cheers Spyspy.

Tierce · Post Post #1804 (ISO) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:50 pm

In post 1800, SpyreX wrote:CES is way off the plate. Maaybe some kind of elaborate planning but I'm not entertaining it at this point.

Humor me. Why is he "off the plate"?

I have one reason for that, but I'd like to know yours first.

SpyreX · Post Post #1805 (ISO) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:53 pm

Welp, I guess it was PV and not CES that threw JS directly to the wolves. My bad.

Of course I'm past humor time. Its time to humor me.

shos · Post Post #1806 (ISO) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:01 pm

Im on phone, havent read anything.

The extra info i have may help if theres a massclaim and scum fakeclaim unluckily.

Why not both mastermind AND town? Lol..

How about a massclaim? What do people think about massclaiming now? Scum are only 2, most likely

shos · Post Post #1807 (ISO) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:04 pm

Tomorrow i will have timw to review both scum wagons and find some interactions.

Espeonage · Post Post #1808 (ISO) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:08 pm

That seems like something for day before lylo.

Tierce · Post Post #1809 (ISO) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:13 pm

In post 1805, SpyreX wrote:Welp, I guess it was PV and not CES that threw JS directly to the wolves. My bad.

Of course I'm past humor time. Its time to humor me.

It hinges on shos being Town, but his would have to be the most extravagant bus I have ever seen, so I'm fine with that assumption.

The scum had a Rolecop to confirm the claim as soon as N2 and yet decided to Jail ABR N3. That's a stupid move and I don't think CES would go for it. Sounds more like they weren't paying attention. With Shadoweh and JacobSavage both being known for

sleeping through

not enjoying playing scum, I daresay the remaining scum lie among people who

aren't

optimization machines.

shos · Post Post #1810 (ISO) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:48 pm

Thats bad logic tierce. May i remind you that they JKed him n2, not rced him.

sirdanilot · Post Post #1811 (ISO) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:50 pm

VOTE: Espeonage

Tierce · Post Post #1812 (ISO) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:52 pm

Nothing keeps them from doing both? A Jailkeeper is not an Alien, and you claimed it had been a Jailkeeper's action. It'd certainly be smarter than using a Jailkeeper on two consecutive Nights on a role that claimed Even-Night.

Tierce · Post Post #1813 (ISO) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:55 pm

Oh, wait, you mean that they did not actually Rolecop him on N2 because you didn't see them doing it.

That only supports my theory, though. A scumteam that does not choose to confirm the claim on N2 and yet Jails him on N3 is not playing optimally.

Espeonage · Post Post #1814 (ISO) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:24 am

In post 1811, sirdanilot wrote:VOTE: Espeonage

We really doing this?

sirdanilot · Post Post #1815 (ISO) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:34 am

In post 1814, Espeonage wrote:
In post 1811, sirdanilot wrote:VOTE: Espeonage
We really doing this?

Reason not to?

sirdanilot · Post Post #1816 (ISO) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:36 am

In post 1808, Espeonage wrote:That seems like something for day before lylo.

Not ready to fakeclaim yet? Bummer

Espeonage · Post Post #1817 (ISO) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:37 am

What even man. I made it pretty clear I'm VT and happy to stick with it.

And reason not to would be that shit can actually get done because useful flip. Don't drive this shit into the ground.

sirdanilot · Post Post #1818 (ISO) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:39 am

Hint: Tierce already has her fakeclaim ready, you should start working on it too.

That said, CES, Esp, Tierce constitute good lynches for me. Desp too, if I take a quick glance at Spyrex' """"""VCA""""" (it is not a vca, it's just a collection of vote counts with the flips coloured in, without any form of analysis).

In fact that thing would also show Shos-scum, but for reasons stated shos-scum si very unlikely. IF he is scum then he goes last. I don't think he is though.

What even man. I made it pretty clear I'm VT and happy to stick with it.

Not renouncing your claim sounds a bit better for you. You might not be lynched today.

sirdanilot · Post Post #1819 (ISO) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:49 am

This JS post states Action Dan as a potential town read. That's interesting.

764 wrote:Really I've been getting nothing but town from CES so I don't really see where this is springing from to be perfectly honest.

Esp scum?

CES scum?
I think AD is just someone he chose to be town.
Esp and CES may be buddies. Especially CES.

Thinking Tierce may actually be town after all

shos · Post Post #1820 (ISO) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:02 am

In post 1813, Tierce wrote:Oh, wait, you mean that they did not actually Rolecop him on N2 because you didn't see them doing it.

That only supports my theory, though. A scumteam that does not choose to confirm the claim on N2 and yet Jails him on N3 is not playing optimally.

Any scumteam, with any powers, is playing sub-optimally if they jked two consecutive nights. They might have a compulsive jk though.

The good actions would be jk n2 and cop n3. Instead they jked on both.

Tierce · Post Post #1821 (ISO) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:13 am

In post 1820, shos wrote:
In post 1813, Tierce wrote:Oh, wait, you mean that they did not actually Rolecop him on N2 because you didn't see them doing it.

That only supports my theory, though. A scumteam that does not choose to confirm the claim on N2 and yet Jails him on N3 is not playing optimally.
Any scumteam, with any powers, is playing sub-optimally if they jked two consecutive nights. They might have a compulsive jk though.

The good actions would be jk n2 and cop n3. Instead they jked on both.

Then you agree with me that CES does not make sense as scum and this discussion is irrelevant.

sirdanilot · Post Post #1822 (ISO) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:02 am

^ Does CES ever make sense?

Tierce · Post Post #1823 (ISO) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:24 am

In post 1820, shos wrote:
In post 1813, Tierce wrote:Oh, wait, you mean that they did not actually Rolecop him on N2 because you didn't see them doing it.

That only supports my theory, though. A scumteam that does not choose to confirm the claim on N2 and yet Jails him on N3 is not playing optimally.
Any scumteam, with any powers, is playing sub-optimally if they jked two consecutive nights. They might have a compulsive jk though.

The good actions would be jk n2 and cop n3. Instead they jked on both.

Let's backtrack a bit, shos. Was trying to sleep and this kept niggling at me. We know the scumteam has/had a Shieldrender (Strongman + something would explain the abnormal name), a Jailkeeper with at least two shots, and a Rolecop. There might be other roles left.

What I meant is that Jailing

ABR

on an odd Night is suboptimal when they have a Rolecop. But what makes you think that a "Compulsive Jailkeeper" would be forced to target the

same person

across several Nights? It's not suboptimal to use the Jailkeeper ability by itself, it's a roleblock! But it's suboptimal to use it on someone they could have Rolecopped on N2. They had no guarantees that both the Jailkeeper and the Rolecop would survive D3, so if they

were

afraid of ABR, Rolecop + Jailkeep on N2 would be the optimal choice. Or at worst, kill him on N3 and let JacobSavage give a lame excuse.

They didn't. OTOH, they went after TIP and they caught a Tracker, and that takes me back to Post 1639 but that doesn't make sense with the above.

VOTE: ActionDan
Hi! Post 1567 wasn't posted just because I wanted to show off my pretty avatar.

sirdanilot · Post Post #1824 (ISO) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:36 am

^How is that a voteworthy vote