Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Yukari Yakumo]

VC 4.01

zMuffinMan (L-5):

bubbajack8 | Katarina LeBlanc

GoodCop_BadCop (L-5):

Jaqen Hghar | Saki

Saki (L-6):

GoodCop_BadCop

Not Voting:

zMuffinMan, DisCode, Nachomamma8, Sakura Hana, Varsoon, Mac, pieguyn, ActionDan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

The deadline is March 1st, 10:45 AM EST.
Deadline: (expired on 2014-03-01 10:45:00)

[Saki]

VOTE: GoodCop_BadCop

^ not going to move btw

Why not?

Why should it move?

[Sakura Hana]

I'm back from V/LA I saw the 2 kills but I haven't read anything yet, just to let y'all know.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: GCBC
Done and done and done

[bubbajack8]

Kagami you're hot yo. I mean. uhh. :shifteyes:

Anyway.

bubbajack8

why is bubba in your town pile?

Because I'm town. And you're still scum. We countered your wagon to a twon wagon. You know what that equals. You're scum and scum was on that wagon.

VOTE: muffin

A boy was the counter to the young Wolf's wagon. Dramonic was counter to a boy's wagon. If Moon Boy insists on using this logic

VOTE: gcbc

and don't leave out VC 3.7-3.14 and then call it analysis.

I looked speciffically at the wagons leading that were not muffin. GCBC is one of those town counter wagons.

We countered your wagon to a twon wagon. You know what that equals. You're scum and scum was on that wagon

hahahaha

really?

this was the votecount right before the dramonic wagon started:

Spoiler:

zMuffinMan (L-4):

pieguyn | Mac | bubbajack8 | Katarina LeBlanc

GoodCop_BadCop (L-2):

ActionDan | Saki | Kagami | Jaqen Hghar | Messiah Complex | zMuffinMan | Varsoon

ActionDan (L-8):

Kise

Saki (L-6):

GoodCop_BadCop | Sakura Hana | dramonic

Not Voting:

Nachomamma8

and this was the votecount shortly after the dramonic wagon took off:

Spoiler:

GoodCop_BadCop (L-4)

: ActionDan | Saki | Jaqen Hghar | Messiah Complex | zMuffinMan

Dramonic (L-4)

: Nachomamma8 | Kagami | Sakura Hana | Varsoon | Katarina LeBlanc

zMuffinMan (L-6)

: pieguyn | Mac | bubbajack8

Saki (L-7)

: GoodCop_BadCop | dramonic

ActionDan (L-8)

: Kise

if you genuinely think dramonic was a counter-wagon to scum, then your suspicion should lie with GCBC. and if you genuinely think it was a counter-wagon pushed by scum, then what the fuck are you going on about with AD?

Look at who put the hammer on it. Why so defensive of AD?

A man got an x-shot role cop gift. Bubba has 12 hours to come clean on his role so it can be discussed before it should just be burned to ash DV.

Already have.

Muffin / AD gg

[bubbajack8]

I'm willing to bet money GCBC is town. Like no joke.

[Varsoon]

We'll see.

[Sakura Hana]

Vote: Saki

[Jaqen Hghar]

@Varsoon ~ did you redirect anything last night?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Because a man must needs know before he drops a bomb on bubba

[bubbajack8]

Heh. Drop a bomb on bubba. The bomb. Funny.

[Saki]

Vote: Saki

hater

[Varsoon]

@Varsoon ~ did you redirect anything last night?

No.
I'm a one-shot redirector.
Already spent it.

[pieguyn]

MC was pushing GCBC really hard yesterday. something like a BP SK seems really plausible and fits with him not claiming smth to draw the NK. he also had a scumread on Katarina and bubba

I really want Bubba dead. Can we do that?

- Des

Fish thinks I'm town, desperado did a huge wallpost about why I'm scum. Can you two make up your goddamn mind and give me a summary? (Also your claim does not make much sense and after tons of questions to giffy

I confirmed I have no item that is stealable so the mechanics of your role makes even less fucking sense.

)

This is a lie.

GIF PMed us unprompted to tell us that other players will not know if they have an item to be stolen.

The rest of those reads are all hot garbage anyway. How many fucking times did he say "if by some miracle you are town?" It's all bullshit.

- Des

Saki (L-4): GoodCop_BadCop | Varsoon | Katarnia LeBlanc | Sakura Hana | dramonic

Holy shit this wagon is fucking TERRIBLE

TERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLE

-Des

Only objectionable person there is sakura, the remaining people on the saki wagon are the ones I liked the least.

I really agree with that. Varsoon/Kat is probably town/scum in either configuration.

- Des

Lush life was pushing zmuffin and Dan. Serene was p much keeping all their reads close but they were also pushing Dan I think

not only that but MC had an argument with Dan near the start of yesterday

##vote Messiah Complex

K. Time to lynch actual scum.

Go on...

- Des

##vote Messiah Complex

K. Time to lynch actual scum.

Go on...

- Des

Your role doesn't actually do anything useful. at all. Everyone else has decent utility (or else claimed VT). I can see your role being a scum one that steals shit and acts like a weak rolecop + lets you do something with what you steal.

2ndly I never got any town vibes from you D1 or D2.

Yeah, that one-shot oracle is way more useful than a vanilla cop/self confirming fruit vendor.

Fucking seriously?

- Des

Nice try what? We stole from the cop and we got an item; we stole from a claimed VT and he "didn't have anything worth stealing."

What do you suppose that means?

- Des

the fact you are assuming you're a vanilla cop when there is insufficient evidence to make that conclusion. you are a role that may or may not steal shit from certain players.

No, we're a role that steals shit and certain players might not have anything worth stealing.

There's no other interpretation.

- Des

I'll bet Dan is the SK we're looking for. given these NKs mafia is probably shooting confirmed or obvtowns. shooting from the hip, Serene, Lush, and MC are probably the SK kills and they all wanted to kill Dan

as for mafia, I still haven't figured out if it's GCBC or zmuffin and I need to do that soon

[pieguyn]

Anyway, the better argument is that it no vig would kill either serene or kaze over players like dramonic, cok, etc given the reimu flip, unless said vig were also huffing paint while submitting her night kill action.

For certain values of vig, you're absolutely correct.

But others don't have the same perception of the gamestate that you do.

Anyway I think we can probably let this speculation lie and figure more out about it later from flips.

-bork

p-edit: let's lynch muffin

If there is scum on the gaiden wagon, I'm not seeing muffin as radically more scummy than bubba or messiah

You will.

Anyway you can keep that town card with my blessing.

moar votes on obvscum danny boy plz

also every1 has to promise me that we will lynch muffina tomorrow

for a grand total of 3 scum down!!1! \o/

hey guyz!

lets lynch scum!

vote dan and then

tomorrow vote muffina

I swear to god there are only like 2 players with a brain in this game pie and kise the rest of you just don't get it and I might be slightly paranoid about kise.

I AM SO FUCKING PISSED

someone tell me how the hell the bolded doesn't indicate they have a cop guilty

while doing this I realized zmuffin's entire argument is basically "they'd act like this" and it is outright hazardous to predict how people will act after they've died. and not to mention. the whole argument was that they would absolutely get zmuffin lynched on D2 if the had a guilty. but they were making people promise they'd lynch him on D3 instead. how is that not the same thign? either way they're trying to ensure he getst lynched no matter what

I can't believe I didn't see this earlier

not to mention there are too many investigative roles. he's probably a mafia tracker and received a 2-shot town tracker fakeclaim that fit with all the other 2 shot roles.

vote: zmuffin

we need to lynch this today

[pieguyn]

like someone tell me how

odd night cop
2-shot rolecop
2-shot kill cop
inventor that gives out investigatives
2-shot tracker
oracle

is in any way shape or form balanced

on the other hand mafia still hasn't had any investigative roles flipped

[pieguyn]

especially with
doctor
and
gatekeeper

[pieguyn]

zmuffin is scum and Dan is the SK. I'm interested in what Jaqen has to say about bubba bc if he has something he might end up being the last scum (although I'm still sticking with 15-5-1)

[zMuffinMan]

pieguy,

those last two quotes, if anything, show that they clearly didn't have a guilty on me

[zMuffinMan]

moar votes on obvscum danny boy plz

also every1 has to promise me that we will lynch muffina tomorrow for a grand total of 3 scum down!!1! \o/

hey guyz!

lets lynch scum!

vote dan

and then tomorrow vote muffina

I swear to god there are only like 2 players with a brain in this game pie and kise the rest of you just don't get it and I might be slightly paranoid about kise.

like, these two quotes make no sense if they had a guilty on me

and while i'm looking at those quotes

If there is scum on the gaiden wagon, I'm not seeing muffin as radically more scummy than bubba or messiah

You will.

Anyway

you can keep that town card with my blessing

.

this actually looks like a cop crumb

also that first quote was obviously talking about why either serene or kaze could have been vigged

[zMuffinMan]

also kagami already confirmed that GCBC isn't a serial killer

[zMuffinMan]

i still think there's a decent chance he's factional scum but he's not SK

[zMuffinMan]

like someone tell me how

odd night cop
2-shot rolecop
2-shot kill cop
inventor that gives out investigatives
2-shot tracker
oracle

is in any way shape or form balanced

on the other hand mafia still hasn't had any investigative roles flipped

that entirely depends on what counters scum have to investigative roles

there's a ninja that counters my role (and the follow from the inventor)

the oracle apparently can't ask alignment related questions

there is likely a godfather-esque role in the game to counter at least one of the other investigative roles

i don't really see what your issues with balance here are

on the other hand, the anti-kill power so far is doc + gatekeeper + bulletproof + inventor + 1-shot bomb andddddddd the counter to all this seems to be a 1-shot strongman

what are your thoughts on that?

[zMuffinMan]

the whole argument was that they would absolutely get zmuffin lynched on D2 if the had a guilty. but they were making people promise they'd lynch him on D3 instead. how is that not the same thign? either way they're trying to ensure he getst lynched no matter what

also this is just dumb

no cop with a guilty ever goes "hey i'm totally fine with lynching someone else when i know player x is scum"

like it's super fucking obvious they didn't have a guilty on me which is why they were fine with lynching dan (who they also thought was "obvscum")

[pieguyn]

do you realize the motivation behind defensively double posting is almost always the attacker being accurate

like, these two quotes make no sense if they had a guilty on me

and while i'm looking at those quotes

Lush sounded 100% confident you were scum re: 3 scum down

there is no way in hell Lush would have ever investigated Kagami. she was obvtown. and how is "You will" not a cop guilty crumb?

you entire argument is basically predicting how a dead player would act. I'd expect you of all people to know how bullshit this is.

on the other hand, the anti-kill power so far is doc + gatekeeper + bulletproof + inventor + 1-shot bomb andddddddd the counter to all this seems to be a 1-shot strongman

this makes perfect sense with 15-5-1. and from what I could tell the inventor has nothing but investigatives so far

and yes I'm confident GIF would do 15-5-1

meanwhile, there hasn't been a single mafia investigative so far