Newbie 1476 - Game Over

[serrapaladin]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 1.03

Zivel (1) - goodmorning
notscience (2) - RachMarie, Zivel
burn_209 (2) - Luca Blight, Not_Mafia
Not_Mafia (1) - burn_209

Not Voting (3) - Graeyfurredmutt, joker443, notscience

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2014-03-01 23:59:59).

[goodmorning]

GM I lied I want to wagon burn

VOTE: burn

Awwwww yisssss

Vote: burn

Been in one game with Gm so know quite well how they play but may be different this time

Probably. V/LA really messes me up.

UNVOTE:

Don't want any derphammers.

That wasn't even L-1 tho

you silly

Derphammer is a risk I guess but the people here seem to be of a higher stndard

This one not so much. Justifying the risk on the derphammer on a judgement call that in a NEWBIE game, that we are 3 pages into, that we have players here that are a higher standard isnt very smart. But hey one vote is always one vote closer to a townie lynch right scum?

VOTE: NOT MAFIA

THIS VOTE SUCKS

[Not_Mafia]

So let me try this reading thing out.... I want a look at NoSci:

So quickly starting wagons and trying to get one going so early seems very scum to me... is it not a strat to try and get a wagon going and hope that it goes all the way? Seems logical and especially with a newb game where votes might fly easily. This makes sense to me, and has NoSci not tried to do this twice now, bailing on the last one could be a bluff, letting the wagon get some more speed before then pushing it over the top.

Also the idea of a Newb flailing is interesting. This will give a lot of information and could be entertaining to watch but surely if that person is town the Mafia know this and then they know that the info wont help the townies to much, but might allow a mafia lynch.

Now I honestly have no idea what I am doing but hey, its better have stabs in the dark than no stabs at all right?

This is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt.

Setting up wagons on people one by one seems to be the norm here due to the long deadlines. Your wagon wasn't really gaining traction so him jumping off it doesn't seem scummy to me. However scum will like to go after the easy\newb lynch. Launching a wagon on the newest player first isn't ideal for town imo. Plus jumping off a wagon at L-2 cos of derphammers is silly.

@not sci If you were willing to vote him then why take off your vote the instant someone else votes him, especially at L-2.

UNVOTE: burn
VOTE: notscience

And yes it is always good to get involved and offer your opinion so don't be afraid to get stuck in

[notscience]

If someone slips describing their own scum meta then policy hammer them immediately.

I'll jump on this burn wagon,let's get to L-1

UNVOTE: Luca Blight
VOTE: burn_209

I thought this was you saying you put him at L-1.

[burn_209]

This one not so much. Justifying the risk on the derphammer on a judgement call that in a NEWBIE game, that we are 3 pages into, that we have players here that are a higher standard isnt very smart. But hey one vote is always one vote closer to a townie lynch right scum?

VOTE: NOT MAFIA

You were on L-2 after my vote so there was hardly a massive risk, nice omgus now that the wagon is focused on you

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FTFY

You said lets push this to L-1 meaning you were down to risk it

[notscience]

VOTE: burn

again btw

[burn_209]

So now I'm at L-1. Why does this always happen to me lol I'm always L-1 on day one.

[Not_Mafia]

I took my vote off you so you're at L-2

[Graeyfurredmutt]

So Notmafia please explain the reasoning behind the burn bandwagon. And yes I am aware you are no longer voting for him.

[Not_Mafia]

Pressuring. He was a better wagon than Zivel and the Luca one wasn't going anywhere

[notscience]

So why am I a good wagon?

[joker443]

vote burn

Simply because I don't trust him

[notscience]

UNVOTE:

What have I said about derphammering >.>

[Not_Mafia]

Cos of the reasons I stated above. Can't move my vote back over now anyway.

Burn is at L-1 careful now people.

[Not_Mafia]

Okay nevermind

[notscience]

What do you think of the L-1 vote?

[Not_Mafia]

Not much really. I think the risk of derphammering is overrated.

[Luca Blight]

NS, as you are someone who is prepared to make quick judgement calls on players, who would you say is of town/scum lean at this early stage? Do you still think Not_Mafia is definitely Town?

As for Burn, his defence of himself is weak to say the least, and his voting of Not_Mafia as GM pointed out was also a bit suspect. GM is generally coming across as Town at the moment with much logical, pro-town posting, same with NS. Obviously these are the two more experienced players but they are my two biggest town reads at the moment.

[Graeyfurredmutt]

As for Burn, his defence of himself is weak to say the least, and his voting of Not_Mafia as GM pointed out was also a bit suspect. GM is generally coming across as Town at the moment with much logical, pro-town posting, same with NS. Obviously these are the two more experienced players but they are my two biggest town reads at the moment.

First what in your own words is the case against burn?
Second please give us some examples of GoodMorning's "much logical, pro-town posting"

[notscience]

If I've said they're town then they're town

I'm townhunting not scumhunting because my scumhunting keeps fucking up

[joker443]

Notscience how can you tell if someone's town? Day 1 no one knows much

[notscience]

I don't know

But I have gut feelings about people and try to relate them to other things I've seen (Bert does this too)

[Luca Blight]

As for Burn, his defence of himself is weak to say the least, and his voting of Not_Mafia as GM pointed out was also a bit suspect. GM is generally coming across as Town at the moment with much logical, pro-town posting, same with NS. Obviously these are the two more experienced players but they are my two biggest town reads at the moment.

First what in your own words is the case against burn?
Second please give us some examples of GoodMorning's "much logical, pro-town posting"

There is no case against burn other than what I said in that post.

With regards to GM I have just realised I have mixed you and her up a bit! I agreed with her criticism of burn's Not_Mafia vote, but the post I liked was this:

What would the mafia do today. My assumption is that they would naturally want to just let the town make a wild guess and hit a townie so as to attract minimal attention to themselves. The more active and obvious someone is the easier it is to analyze them and find the small hints. So that would leave us with a question of what are they actually doing. I personally prefer as mafia to have the group be diverse. While being just helpful enough to not look bad and just quiet enough to not be obvious is probably the safest, assuming people don't look there first due to anticipating strategies, it's not the most useful. Being a leader of the town can be quite profitable for the mafia. So what do you think?

Looking back I feel you have made some good contributions thus far, so would agree with NS that you are leaning Town for now.

[serrapaladin]

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