Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[mastin2]

I swear, I am going to murder you all dead with my

super serial killer powers

scum factional nightkill

army of french knights for this.

[Cephrir]

If SSK flips town can we lynch mastin tomorrow for knowing he was town?

[sangres]

If he's right then you should lynch us first because we "knew" that kagami was town.

I feel like nacho and I are having one of those games where our reads mesh really well and we're right about nearly everything. Which could be false. It's much less likely for us to have that kind of game in a player list this size.

But, so far we've been right well in advance of the flip about every alignment that's known. Maybe it's easy reads first in this game.

[Aegor]

Why would flavor claim matter?

Why is a maf Tracker so absurd?

Why is SSK still alive?

[mastin2]

A thought occurred to me that perhaps one or both of the scum/SK actually legitimately believe SSK to be scum of the other kind, depending on how the night actions actually went N1.

Butyeah. SSK is flipping town. Guarantee it.

[MafiaSSK]

I don't think he claimed flavour.

I did claim flavor, actually. Check the claim post, yo.

[Cephrir]

If he's right then you should lynch us first because we "knew" that kagami was town.

I feel like nacho and I are having one of those games where our reads mesh really well and we're right about nearly everything. Which could be false. It's much less likely for us to have that kind of game in a player list this size.

But, so far we've been right well in advance of the flip about every alignment that's known. Maybe it's easy reads first in this game.

You don't think there's any difference? I don't recall you being literally 100% certain about anything.

Also, mastin is scum anyway, I'm just throwing another on the pile possibly. Whereas you are probably town.

[Skullduggery]

SSK could still be Scum, but not for the reasons that I originally suspected. I want to sort something with Metal Sonic first:

Question: is it common for a town neighbor to also have an additional night action? I usually think that town neighbors are just vanilla with qt. this question is important

Why was this question so important to you? Did you receive the answer that you were looking for?

I don't think Pieguy blocked two kills in a row. At the very least wait for Night 3 to confirm it before you heave this speculation around >.>

Where did his one-shot Bulletproof go then?

I still don't trust Mastin, but I think there's a good chance that she's right about the Mafia team shooting Pieguy outright on Night 1. (Look back through our conversation from today to see how I reached this conclusion.)

Guys I actually think Metal Sonic is the best lynch right now..

maybe

i don't believe mafiassk is town, though

do you?

What happened between 2228 and this post?

[Skullduggery]

Nobody hammer until Metal Sonic answers me, please.

[sangres]

If he's right then you should lynch us first because we "knew" that kagami was town.

I feel like nacho and I are having one of those games where our reads mesh really well and we're right about nearly everything. Which could be false. It's much less likely for us to have that kind of game in a player list this size.

But, so far we've been right well in advance of the flip about every alignment that's known. Maybe it's easy reads first in this game.

You don't think there's any difference? I don't recall you being literally 100% certain about anything.

Also, mastin is scum anyway, I'm just throwing another on the pile possibly. Whereas you are probably town.

I don't assign percentages to reads. Mafia usually doesn't come down to math.

Spoiler: How certain were we? Pretty damn certain.

i want to lynch from this group today: {flandre, MS, kagami, cabd, kaze, cephrir} roughly in order of most to least desired lynches

Gonna sheep this list forever, k?
Except I give more leverage to Kaze and MS.

For reference.

Now everybody quicklynch Kagami plz.

This is another funny jokez, right?

Ffery, convince me that you didn't bus Flandre to shit. K thanks.

Please switch out for BRO, ty.

Skull went from "one scum in {skull, aegor} to "town" when he has orc null.

More ammo for the Skull-scum train.
Also, who is the only player in this playerlist who would kill Varsoon N1?
SKULL SKULL SKULL

Vote: Skullduggery

Meta doesn't boil down to a list of things a player never/always does as an alignment.

Well gosh Im sure glad you stripped out what your read was on Brian into just the "He self-voted -> town" part of it cause that makes TONS of sense.

I'd have to reread Brian, I think I missed most of the part of the game where he was actually posting. Gooner is definitely not living up to what I know hes capable of though.

gooner is a cool guy. I want to be his bff, but hes breaking my heart in this game.

If you want a detailed town-case on Gooner, it will have to wait until I have a chunk of uninterrupted time.

HeyCabd,

I asked you a related question earlier, but I'd like to know why you think the really strong (and totally incorrect) conviction Kagami has that her character claim should all but clear her is not a town tell.

This was pretty clearly Town-Varsoon, but he wasn't making enough of an impact to draw the attention of a protective role. That's my theory.

And this sort of theory is why you're scum.

Rolenames are not a defense in any way, shape or form; they never have been, and they never will be.

Not voting yet, but Kagami is scum.

Nope. Not even close

Then we can circle around as long as you'd like but your name claim does absolutely nothing to indicate your alignment.

But the conviction that it does certainly does a lot to indicate alignment.

Flandre's massive fencesit on Aegor/Skull makes me think both are town and she was trying to redirect suspicion away from the real scum in the neighborhood

which makes me lean towards macmollie even more

Why do you think Flandre would pull a massive fencesit on two townies to draw suspicion away from real scum in the neighborhood?

We're in hammer range. Intent to hammer in 48 hours.

this kagami wagon is the shittiest wagon I've seen in a while and I swear to god if you hammer it your captain is going to chew you the fuck out on the durandal tonight.

I asked you a related question earlier, but I'd like to know why you think the really strong (and totally incorrect) conviction Kagami has that her character claim should all but clear her is not a town tell.

Hint: the correct answer is it is a towntell so you're very sorry for being on the wagon in the first place.
you're almost as bad as AP, jesus.

No, I'm trolling AP because he's being bad and doing that thing where he calls obvious town scum again.

Yes Kagami is simply dripping with town motivated play, Nacho.

I get why you think its town, but. its. not. town.

Look at the

motivation

. There is no scumhunting, there is no effort to solve the game, there is no.

Passion

. The defense reads a little town, I'll give you that, but look at the big picture. What is Kagami doing that looks town other than that? The soft defense of Flandre, lumped in with other lurkers was scum plain and simple. Town doesn't lump all the lurkers together and call them policy lynches in a negative way. That is what

I

would do if I were protecting a buddy subtly . It is manipulative scumplay and hraahhhh you have been manipulated. I'm here for you though Nacho to guide you to the light . Kagami's focus on her ROLE and nothing else is from scum. It shows that where her attention is, is, well, forced. If it fit into the bigger picture of trying to find scum it would make sense, but. it. does. not. This is a desperation attempt to look town and it is not working. the vote on us is posturing, the wagon analysis was superficial. You are being manipulated by scum.

p-edit: Skull could be scum. I thought the "Devils Advocate, but why would Flandre bus Kagami" comment was scummy.

Your comments about her not scumhunting do hit home, but she's been under extreme pressure from the get-go of day 2.

There is no scumhunting, there is no effort to solve the game, there is no. Passion.

slow starts are a thing

Town doesn't lump all the lurkers together and call them policy lynches in a negative way.

yes they do

Kagami's focus on her ROLE and nothing else is from scum.

no

If you derail my precious Kagami wagon I will eviscerate you and use your intestines for a motherfucking jump rope.

Says the guy who tried to derail my precious FS wagon </3

Kagami's post about you being town for fishing about neighborhood's being day/night chat is likely just an effort to distance from knowing that YOU are in one.

you're doing that thing where you deliver me paranoid theories again

If we aren't lynching obvious scum, can we at least lynch Kaze?

why not skull? are we holding off on lynching that obvious scum because i'm being a bully to you?

Its

page 73

early day 2 and the most notable 'scum hunting' from Kag is her sttempt to distance from inside knowledge about neighborhoods by calling you town for asking about one.

If you derail my precious Kagami wagon I will eviscerate you and use your intestines for a motherfucking jump rope.

better eviscerate me fast: i'm addicted to derailing shit wagons so i can't help myself with this one

She also left her vote on me after everyone else had moved while expressing that she was lukewarm about my alignment (see: not scumhunting, I suppose) and the Flandre wagon stuff just made it worse.

Why are these things scummy?

Urge to reference jacbosavage mafia ... rising...

reference it a lot, if you'd like
i'm certainly going to reference this one when we're done with it

You really think that Kagami asserting that she got her fav role but it was (VT?) and whatever is defo from town?

You dont think BORK gave her that as a fakeclaim potentially and she looked at it and had the same reaction to seeing a VT PM written up for it?

yes
i don't understand the second bit

Nacho...if you were to hammer Kagami in your next post.


and she flipped town.

I would feel grief.

i'm not gonna hammer town, ap

Did you just ask me why not scumhunting is scummy v.v

I think you summarizing that passage as "not scumhunting" is oversimplification.
And if your case consists of "not scumhunting" and nothing more, I'd like to hear why Kagami over other "not scumhunters".

If Im somehow not understanding the towntells that Kagami is raining down on us, maybe you could explain them to me then?

Zeal about her character claim 'proving' that she is town is not a towntell. To the contrary,

trying to prove herself as town is absurdly scummy

.

not really
she's not actually making a case for her being town she's just like "I'm town as fuck because KOSMOS" which is pretty town

i'm not refuting it with logic, but my passion for kagami being town defeats your passion for kagami being scum

I'm growling about this because I'm still pretty pissed about her lynch.

[zMuffinMan]

What happened between 2228 and this post?

. . . . . ?

uh

nothing?

I feel like I won a lottery I didn't enter.

2getha til death do us part

[Cephrir]

Hm, alright. That was almost as strong. Albeit actually based on things you could remotely attempt to explain to anyone, as opposed to seemingly arbitrary insistence.

[Angry Frat BROs]

I'm really not as engaged in this game as I'd like to be due to tons of back2back IRL things that are (hopefully) over.

UNVOTE: Skull; VOTE: MetalSonic

Because mastin is inside my head.

[Angry Frat BROs]

Why was this question so important to you? Did you receive the answer that you were looking for?

Its important to him because I softed/trolled/fakeclaimed jailkeeper/commute-giver/doctor in the QT.

Question is, is he posturing about this for town points or is he legitimately trying to scumhunt.

[Angry Frat BROs]

MetalSonic/Skull/mastin A++ lynches today.

[Angry Frat BROs]

I'm going to an intern's place to play boardgames. If I survive the shitshow that is intern parties at my company, I'll actually put in :EFFORT:.

but that last reads list feels right.

[Skullduggery]

Why was this question so important to you? Did you receive the answer that you were looking for?

Its important to him because I softed/trolled/fakeclaimed jailkeeper/commute-giver/doctor in the QT.

Question is, is he posturing about this for town points or is he legitimately trying to scumhunt.

Noted. Thanks.

I still want Metal Sonic to answer in his own words, though.

[Metal Sonic]

Wow that's a lot to read

Skull I think I can reply you real quick

Ap was (fake) crumbing something in neighborhood qt I dunno if it's a lure or what because they can use edit or delete button

But they he voted kagami day 2 right off the gate so I (and many others) took that as a crumb so we sheeped and as it turned out we've been had

[orcinus_theoriginal]

cephrir can you give me something to sheep i'm really lost

[Cephrir]

cephrir can you give me something to sheep i'm really lost

You don't need to think today, regardless of your alignment. We're lynching SSK. Tomorrow this might be a more valid thing to say.

[Cephrir]

Also, if you've been reading my posts enough to apparently think I'm town, you'll know I'm going to say mastin.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

not really i just got really townie vibes from your pressure early game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

please don't make me regret townreading you again it will kill me.

[Skullduggery]

Ap was (fake) crumbing something in neighborhood qt I dunno if it's a lure or what because they can use edit or delete button

But they he voted kagami day 2 right off the gate so I (and many others) took that as a crumb so we sheeped and as it turned out we've been had

When did he make these crumbs -- Night 1 or Night 2 (or both)? You make it sound like he crumbed something before Kagami was lynched, but you didn't post 2058 until Day 3, which leads me to believe that he continued crumbing on Night 2 after Kagami had been mislynched. Is that correct?

Who are the "many others" that were supposedly fooled by AFB? I certainly didn't detect any role-related knowledge or information in his case against Kagami, and only two people (you and Venmar) saw his crumbs in the neighborhood. Two people isn't what I would consider "many others."

What does Kagami's mislynch tell you about AFB? Do you think his neighborhood crumbs are alignment-indicative?

You sound certain that AFB's crumbs were fake. Why is that?

[Cephrir]

I don't know why I hate the above post so very much.