The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[Tierce]

Oh for fuck's sake. Yeah, it was terrible of me to give him the chance to claim. You probably want to go through all my games and change my Town flips to red, then.

Still eagerly waiting for sirdanilot's explanation of how I'm scummy. Must be all the man-hate blinding me to it.

Well, Shadow said the same thing.

And his claim was the only thing stopping him from being the lynch.

And you never spoke to or mentioned him again, even when he was counterwagonning you on the day of no-lynch (day2).

And he flipped scum.

And Shadow flipped scum.

But, I if someone has something better I'm willing to listen.

Well gosh darn it, I said something scum did!

Yes, the claim was the only thing that saved him from the lynch. That's what scum safeclaims do.

Have you actually read my posts, or are you throwing anything to see if it sticks? It was pretty clear why I wasn't pushing Jacob, and even a simple Ctrl+F for his name in my ISO would yield the following:

Oh and JS please explain more about the specifics of your bodyguard claim when you get the chance.

i.e. are there conditionals (% chance of success, % chance of killing killer, etc)

What the hell are you doing?

Why the heck would you, as Town, want him to claim this?

It's pretty obvious. If JacobSavage is scum and is ever tracked anywhere but the person he claims to protect, he's dead. If he's rolecopped and shown to be lying, he's dead. NONE of this nonsense you're asking would ever help Town.

is Jacob doing what I think he is doing?

If you mean Post 1296, that was a pretty obvious joke.

If you mean the coasting, I'm not too bothered about it at this point. If his claim is true, it's a role that is pretty demoralizing to play anyway, so as long as he has a good Townread I don't much care for the rest.

Tierce am I losing my mind or do you mean sirdan?

Lets play pretend and say I was willing to move my vote. What's in it for me?

That said:

Sirdan is 100% town and I'm sad at how busy I've been that it took me this long to realize it.
JacobSavage is waaay more likely town than not now.
Scum probably have a rolecop.

I want someone who can decipher shadoweh to go a huntin. I know people say I'm hard to follow, but shit. The only one that really makes me nervous is the CES hate but SSK's 180 I'd HOPE was related to his role somehow.

SSK probably tracked CES nowhere, which doesn't really say much because tracker innocents are a dime a dozen.

By "snake, head, etc." I mean ABR. Pretty sure I've said repeatedly that I think sirdanilot is Town and wouldn't shed a tear if we lynched him and he flipped Innocent Child, so etc..

Regarding Jacob, I agree. I was thinking yesterday that one of {ABR, Jacob} had to be scum, but SSK flipping tracker pretty clearly means that one extra protection that doesn't alter the lynch threshold + Aegor's role makes sense as Town in a game that starts at evens, while ABR being fakeclaiming scum slots in nicely with the silly amount of investigative roles.

I still want to do the Shadoweh hunt, ended up not doing it overNight.

On D2, I was pushing CES and ABR and having enough trouble with that already. There's only so many things I can look at at once and I don't care about a claimed Bodyguard for the above reasons.

You're trying to change history and you're not Amrun.

[shos]

Shos:

Thats bad logic tierce. May i remind you that they JKed him n2, not rced him.

You know, without question, whatever happened to to ABR n2 was both a jailkeep AND done by scum?

If not, lets leave this until you want to lay it all out.

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That said, I want esp dead. Today.

I also want what the majority of this page was to stop. Forever.

I know that the ONLY actions that targetted ABR was Jailkeep, during N2 and N3. I'm still thinking if I want to share my N1 info.

Spyrex, I'm getting rea good townvibes from you. can you please explain me in one good post why you think Esp is scum?

[shos]

Vote: desp

AD isn't looking all that good either.

Explain to me the Desp vote. my POV on the VCA got a firm townread there.

P.S. V/LA until Saturday.

don't forget this post, you.

[Tierce]

Now. your AD vote is ok. but here's the thing. you said in the start of your post that it kept you awake. I get that too, sometimes. but here's the thing. when I get up from bed to post stuff on my head, I do that. I don't dig out post 1639 and post 1567.

That's fine, but I'm not you? It should be obvious by the 6:24 am timestamp and posts over the next two hours that my sleep habits aren't quite normal.

[Tierce]

shos: do you know what "to rend" means?

And Jailkeepers Roleblock and Protect, dummy. They DID Roleblock ABR, if you saw him being Jailed.

[shos]

PV's two posts in the end of page 74 is pretty awesome. especially the first one.

Nobody at all targetted Tierce night 1.

I'm happy with my vote.


I considered 'shieldrender' as a 'render' not as a rend-er.

[sirdanilot]

Got it ass backwards shos

But fine I am willing to go with tierce today

[shos]

how backwards? what am I wrong about? explain.

[SpyreX]

Spyrex, I'm getting rea good townvibes from you. can you please explain me in one good post why you think Esp is scum?

I could fake it or even add to it with the VCA's and the bridesmaid but never the bride party but I won't. It still comes back to the beginning:

That VT claim is negative usefulness for town. It is useful for scum because we've got apparently the slenderest girly fingers and wouldn't dare breaking a nail on taking out the trash.

Esp is a fart in the wind and has been and we're well past the time for that to be ok. There was hurf durf D1 with "OMG LOOK SPYREX IS GONNA SAY ESP WILL BE HERE ALL GAME AND SHOCK AND AWE"

And, here we are.

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Shieldrender strikes me as "rending a shield" which would be very much a strongman.

[shos]

So are you guys suggesting that the JK is town? How did the scum know, then, last night, that ABR will not be jailkept? Or perhaps they used strongman to kill through the protection.?

For a strongman to exist town needs protective roles.

I agree that claiming VT is antitown, yes. But think about it from scum perapective: it robs you of all versatility you might have with fakeclaiming; it gets you constantly looked at; if you get tracked or watched its autokill; i dunno. As town iy makes no sense but i can see people who decide to do that. As scum it makes much less sense.

Also, we are 75 pages into the game abd 2000 posts; thats not enough fpr a viable lynch.

[Tierce]

For a strongman to exist town needs protective roles.

...yes, they're called Weak Doctor. And it's probably not just a regular Strongman, otherwise it'd have flipped Strongman given the Normal flavor of the remaining roles. Anyway, that's just speculation and all it does is not-clear CES from the N1 track because Shadoweh was probably their designated killer. Irrelevant given CES not making sense as scum for other reasons.

I don't think anyone is saying that the JK is likely to be Town.

[shos]

Ah.

That is still odd; the doc is weak, why dedicate an entire role for that?

I can go for an Actiondan Lynch too, definitely.

[shos]

Pvs posts are still pretty damn awesome though

[Tierce]

That is still odd; the doc is weak, why dedicate an entire role for that?

Why dedicate an entire role for a Cop--oh, wait.

Weak Doctor balances like a Cop, not like a Doctor.
Something else that came to mind, if Shieldrender is indeed Strongman--they could Jail someone and kill them. Roleblock + Kill OP.

shos, saying something scum also did is not a scumtell--their job is to look Town. And PV's posts are not coming from a Town player who actually read my ISO when he says that I ignored JacobSavage, so...?

[sirdanilot]

how backwards? what am I wrong about? explain.

The sheer idea that Esp would be null leaning town is very backwards indeed

[shos]

If the idea is to make the weak doc just a cop and not a doc, itd be a weak cop with no strongman. If only scum can kill then jk is basically rb. So whats the idea?

Dunno. Anyway, im starting to lean back onto ActionDan. Never actually left him lol.

[shos]

Also. Sirdan, link me to why esp is scum.

[Desperado]

Vote: sirdan

This protracted man-hater bullshit with Tierce is the scummiest shit I have ever seen and too many of you are just letting him get away with it. Sirdan stopped pretending to be figuring things out days ago and has spent his time making shit up re: Tierce's "vendetta" and pushing any lynch that isn't him, defaulting back to Espeonage if the wagon doesn't gain traction. Does anyone have a

real

reason to think he is town? Majiffy-slot maybe/maybe not investigating him n1 isn't good enough.

The last one is in {CES, AD}. Brain says AD,

OMGUS

heart says CES.

[Desperado]

That seems like something for day before lylo.

Not ready to fakeclaim yet? Bummer

Hint: Tierce already has her fakeclaim ready, you should start working on it too.

That said, CES, Esp, Tierce constitute good lynches for me. Desp too, if I take a quick glance at Spyrex' """"""VCA""""" (it is not a vca, it's just a collection of vote counts with the flips coloured in, without any form of analysis).

In fact that thing would also show Shos-scum, but for reasons stated shos-scum si very unlikely. IF he is scum then he goes last. I don't think he is though.

What even man. I made it pretty clear I'm VT and happy to stick with it.

Not renouncing your claim sounds a bit better for you. You might not be lynched today.

Look at this shit. Just look at it. The retconned reaction test was bad in and of itself, but Sirdan has been convinced that Esp is scum since p1 and now all it takes for him to reconsider his read is for Esp to follow his own given advice?

[Desperado]

Did some preliminary overnight reading, and starting (and ending) here today.

Vote: Tierce

I was distracted while finding a paper bag to breathe into. This is looking inevitable and the arguments are starting to attain maximum levels of dope. The sooner Jacob

claims

and this either goes forward or not the better. Also responsible or not, this probably wouldn't have happened if Tierce hadn't reminded everyone Jacob exists. It's not selfish, it's the truth.

##Vote JacobSalvageGuy

JacobSavage--we need a

claim

. There be hammer-happy people here, and the clock has run out.

No. Let him

claim

first.

UNVOTE: JacobSavage

I am Scum Rolecop.

Also, based on 790, going with SirDani 90% likely NOT SCUM.

What about this?

JS scummypants

claim

scum already so we can get this over with

[ActionDan]

I dunno maybe it's shadoweh wanting to lynch SirDan over nl.

[ActionDan]

Vca actually implicates ces/escoulta

[Desperado]

I dunno maybe it's shadoweh wanting to lynch SirDan over nl.

Shadoweh could say without ever having to actually follow through on if the NL was already a foregone conclusion at that point--which my memory says that it was.

[ActionDan]

It wasn't necessarily.

[Desperado]

I'll reread d2 after I got off work today