The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[Elscouta]

Catching up.

[Tierce]

I dunno maybe it's shadoweh wanting to lynch SirDan over nl.

Still busy ignoring my question?

Child, please.

[sirdanilot]

What about this?

JS scummypants

claim

scum already so we can get this over with

Yeah you're scum too. The day we NLed (day 3?) clearly shows I am town. It was the very same day that showed shadoweh was scum, and also that majiffy was town (except he's dead).

[sirdanilot]

Catching up.

Are you scum, or is it desp? Leaning desp at this point.

[sirdanilot]

Note how I've been right with my reads this game, tierce. JacobSavage, Shadoweh... I am probably right about Esp, Desp and you too. Maybe CES or Els somewhere in there if I am mistaken with one of those.

[ActionDan]

I dunno maybe it's shadoweh wanting to lynch SirDan over nl.

Still busy ignoring my question?

Child, please.

Chamber died N1 after expressing a scum read on you while no one else did and your posts didn't strike me as town. I have mentioned all of this before.

[sirdanilot]

Time for more reasons why Tierce is scum.

post. On a day where it is ridiculously obvious that Shadoweh is scum, she comes in and tries to get ABR (town) lynched. ABR, who is not scum. Yeaah right. Scrol below though: Shadoweh proceeds to bus JS, then Tierce gets the message and shifts to bussing Shadoweh to get things over with. Bad bad Tierce, you should have discussed in the QT that you would bus Shadoweh from the start.

If you are town and such an amazone-womb-powered Mafia Scum goddess, why didn't you vote Shadoweh from the start, hypothetical town-tierce?

[Elscouta]

Time for more reasons why Tierce is scum.

post. On a day where it is ridiculously obvious that Shadoweh is scum, she comes in and tries to get ABR (town) lynched. ABR, who is not scum. Yeaah right. Scrol below though: Shadoweh proceeds to bus JS, then Tierce gets the message and shifts to bussing Shadoweh to get things over with. Bad bad Tierce, you should have discussed in the QT that you would bus Shadoweh from the start.

If you are town and such an amazone-womb-powered Mafia Scum goddess, why didn't you vote Shadoweh from the start, hypothetical town-tierce?

Wat? Tierce voted ABR on one of the first votes of the day, then proceed to dig the incriminating crumb in the next posts of the game, resulting into Shadoweh death.

There is nothing whatsoever scummy there.

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(I need to reread day 1 to determine whether Tierce is scum or not)

[sirdanilot]

Why did she not vote ABR immediately? Any town person would know immediately that shadoweh was obvscum at that point

[Elscouta]

I don't understand.

She voted ABR 8 minutes after Majiffy flipped Weak Doc.
She voted Shadoweh 18 minutes after the flip, and revealed the crumb shortly thereafter.

I don't see any reason to doubt that Tierce searched for the crumb in the gap of 10 minutes.

[sirdanilot]

Why would anyone vote ABR at that point in time ever?

[sirdanilot]

I mean shadoweh was even more obvscum than JS

[Elscouta]

We must have been playing a different game. Shadoweh was never a real lynch candidate, and was read as town by many players (including me). ABR on the other hand, just escaped a lynch by a claim that was deemed very dubious.

The only reason Shadoweh was lynched was the crumb.

[ActionDan]

Anyway boring

[PeregrineV]

That is still odd; the doc is weak, why dedicate an entire role for that?

Why dedicate an entire role for a Cop--oh, wait.

Weak Doctor balances like a Cop, not like a Doctor.
Something else that came to mind, if Shieldrender is indeed Strongman--they could Jail someone and kill them. Roleblock + Kill OP.

shos, saying something scum also did is not a scumtell--their job is to look Town. And PV's posts are not coming from a Town player who actually read my ISO when he says that I ignored JacobSavage, so...?

Actually, after his claim, you had NO interaction with him. Period.

You bring hiim up here:

Oh and JS please explain more about the specifics of your bodyguard claim when you get the chance.

i.e. are there conditionals (% chance of success, % chance of killing killer, etc)

What the hell are you doing?

Why the heck would you, as Town, want him to claim this?

It's pretty obvious. If JacobSavage is scum and is ever tracked anywhere but the person he claims to protect, he's dead. If he's rolecopped and shown to be lying, he's dead. NONE of this nonsense you're asking would ever help Town.

Then he votes you here:

VOTE: Tierce

And you defend him here:

VOTE: JS

This is a terrible vote. You're moving from a wagon with no momentum to another wagon with no momentum, and not making an ounce of effort to push it. If you're not voting your Townreads, then push your nullreads already.

But when you vote Shadow:

UNVOTE: Albert B. Rampage
VOTE: Shadoweh

Jacob follows:

VOTE: Shadoweh

Then you agree with SpryeX:

Regarding Jacob, I agree. I was thinking yesterday that one of {ABR, Jacob} had to be scum, but SSK flipping tracker pretty clearly means that one extra protection that doesn't alter the lynch threshold + Aegor's role makes sense as Town in a game that starts at evens, while ABR being fakeclaiming scum slots in nicely with the silly amount of investigative roles.

200 posts later, Jacob flips scum.

[PeregrineV]

My point about 1889 is that compared to the wire-brush enema you were giving Jacob day1 pre-claim, there was a very distinct lack of

anything

after it.

[PeregrineV]

Did some preliminary overnight reading, and starting (and ending) here today.

Vote: Tierce

I was distracted while finding a paper bag to breathe into. This is looking inevitable and the arguments are starting to attain maximum levels of dope. The sooner Jacob

claims

and this either goes forward or not the better. Also responsible or not, this probably wouldn't have happened if Tierce hadn't reminded everyone Jacob exists. It's not selfish, it's the truth.

##Vote JacobSalvageGuy

JacobSavage--we need a

claim

. There be hammer-happy people here, and the clock has run out.

No. Let him

claim

first.

UNVOTE: JacobSavage

I am Scum Rolecop.

Also, based on 790, going with SirDani 90% likely NOT SCUM.

What about this?

JS scummypants

claim

scum already so we can get this over with

You think SirDani, Jacob's scum buddy, insisted he claimed and continued to call him scum while doing so?

I am Glorfindel, Town Bodyguard.

Basically I fought the Balrog but lost but in doing so I saved Idril Celebrindal.

Not lynching you today but you're not off the hook scummyboy-with-good-safeclaims

VOTE: CES

ABR TIME TO SWITCH BACK

(ftr I am willing to compromise and lynch tip but it's really just that, a compromise)

JS-scum, please be a doll and vote CES will ya

Haha you really think Jacob is town, esp?

Ahahahahahahahaa

Dan JS is not getting lynched today, unless the next wagon has a better laim than JS, then we lynch JS anyway.

[sirdanilot]

We must have been playing a different game. Shadoweh was never a real lynch candidate, and was read as town by many players (including me). ABR on the other hand, just escaped a lynch by a claim that was deemed very dubious.

The only reason Shadoweh was lynched was the crumb.

Shadoweh was very, very, veyr clearly scum on the day no lynch happened. do you really not see that?

Even if you don't - heck you erroneously scum read me a lot so you probably don't see scum if they were right before your eyes - , then do you really think Tierce, the magnificent goddess of all town players, wouldn't see it if she were town?

I am not buying it. You doing the same thing, I would buy any day of the week. Not tierce. Despite our petty little argument, Tierce is a good player, and she-town would have definitely known Shadoweh was scum.

[sirdanilot]

Pere, you have a good point in that checking whether Tierce saw that JS was obvscum is a good idea. She town would never have JS, the most obvious scum player in all existence, let go.

I cannot find a whole lot of Tierce talking about JS, except during the phase where he claimed. I cannot find instances where she clearly scumread JS. Only one instance of her saying that one of {ABR, JS} could be scum (which is a very obvious statement). However, I have not looked extremely closely at her huge iso.

Tierce, if you can show that you were actually town and suspected JS at some point, please do. Otherwise my vote stays and you probably die.

[Espeonage]

Got a little time over the next 12 hours. Lets see what I can do.

[Plum]

There stood the house of the Golden Flower who bare a rayed sun upon their shield, and their chief Glorfindel bare a mantle so broidered in threads of gold that it was diapered with celandine as a field in spring; and his arms were damascened with cunning gold.

Then came there from the south of the city the people of the Fountain, and Ecthelion was their lord, and silver and diamonds were their delight; and swords very long and bright and pale did they wield, and they went into battle to the music of flutes.

VOTE COUNT 5:2

Espeonage

- 1 - SpyreX

ActionDan

- 1 - Tierce

Desperado

- 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum

Tierce

- 3 - PeregrineV, sirdanilot, shos

sirdanilot

- 1 - Desperado

Not voting (3)

: ActionDan, Espeonage, Elscouta

With 10 players alive it takes

6

votes to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-02-25 20:05:00)

[Espeonage]

Historically through this game I've been good for Tierce, so if all else fails consider my support behind that wagon.

[SpyreX]

Excellent contribution I wait with baited breath for the next ten hours.

End of D2:
Espeonage - 1 - SpyreX
Albert B. Rampage - 1 - TheIrishPope
sirdanilot - 8 - Desperado, Espeonage, MafiaSSK, Elscouta, shos, Shadoweh, Tierce, ActionDan
PeregrineV - 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum
Shadoweh - 1 - PeregrineV
Tierce - 3 - Albert B. Rampage, sirdanilot, JacobSavage
JacobSavage - 1 - Majiffy

Singling out Tierce for not seeing shadow scum is super mcduper strange.

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I'll try this a different way.

Someone give me a set of reasons why they think Esp is town.

[shos]

Sirdan, explain to me Why shadoweh was scum then.

[sirdanilot]

Singling out Tierce for not seeing shadow scum is super mcduper strange.

Okay tell me on what earth would a not-shitty pro-town player not have seen at that point that Shadow was obvscum.

I don't buy it. Also she is lurking, trying to avoid my accusation.

Sirdan, explain to me Why shadoweh was scum then.

Uhm, for having read me-town the entire game, then on that day switching to finding me scum and wanting to lynch me and being quite zealous about it too for no reason? And that goes for me, one of the most universally town-read people in this game?

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if shadoweh did this to defend Tierce, because there was talk of a Tierce wagon that day.