What woeful reasoning from a very desperate player.In post 118, burn_209 wrote:In post 111, Graeyfurredmutt wrote:In post 108, goodmorning wrote: OK. Gfm is Town. Zivel is probably Town. You are probably Town. burn is probably Scum. I can't read notsci for shit. Rach I might be able to read eventually but probably not in this game day.
Scum
Luca - He is my primary scum tell right now because he was quick to follow the bandwagon on me and his reasoning for it didnt satisfy me. Saying that my defense was weak, when it was clear I wasnt giving one at all, seems like a hallow reason to vote for me. Then you unvote me when I challenge you about it which screams mafia to me because it is something that I have done many times when I was scum. Hold a vote on someone then once they start to challenge me I withdraw it quickly.
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an you explain exactly what you mean by this, as I have no idea.In post 130, Graeyfurredmutt wrote:For future reference to anyone luca has been and remains my number one scum read. Mostly due to his buddying and pretending to reasoning and complete reversal of views when called on them. I'll see if I can get the whole case out before nightfall.
Here in case anyone was wondering is luca's original vote on burn. It is completely in RVS with a unremarkable read attached to it.In post 43, Luca Blight wrote:By the same logic you would be an even more suitable vote, so I will VOTE: burnIn post 33, burn_209 wrote:Quality town post right here. I like it and the logic behind it! So ill follow suitIn post 30, Not_Mafia wrote:Actually, Zivel is the completely new guy, so he may not respond well to pressure even if he is town. I'd rather start a wagon on someone with a little more experience; it would probably be more productive.
@RachMarie, is notty notscience? If so I don't paticularly want to put a third vote on him.
UNVOTE: Zivel
VOTE: Luca Blight
You know you wanna follow
VOTE: Luca
My early reads:
Obviously not much to go on yet. NS is seems pretty certain Not_Mafia and mutt are Town; personally I don't like to rule anyone out based on one post. NS could be trying to trying to get a couple of players onside early on by taking the heat off of them, but then it might just be his style to make these quick judgement calls on new players.
Not_Mafia is making an early attempt to lead the proceedings, probably given confidence by NS's read of him. From a newbie perspective his early confident approach does seem Town, particularly the fact that his preference is to take on the slightly more experienced players, but then as he said in an earlier post he isn't a complete newbie at this game.
I would love to but due toIn post 131, Luca Blight wrote:an you explain exactly what you mean by this, as I have no idea.In post 130, Graeyfurredmutt wrote:For future reference to anyone luca has been and remains my number one scum read. Mostly due to his buddying and pretending to reasoning and complete reversal of views when called on them. I'll see if I can get the whole case out before nightfall.
In post 133, Graeyfurredmutt wrote:Here in case anyone was wondering is luca's original vote on burn. It is completely in RVS with a unremarkable read attached to it.In post 43, Luca Blight wrote:By the same logic you would be an even more suitable vote, so I will VOTE: burnIn post 33, burn_209 wrote:Quality town post right here. I like it and the logic behind it! So ill follow suitIn post 30, Not_Mafia wrote:Actually, Zivel is the completely new guy, so he may not respond well to pressure even if he is town. I'd rather start a wagon on someone with a little more experience; it would probably be more productive.
@RachMarie, is notty notscience? If so I don't paticularly want to put a third vote on him.
UNVOTE: Zivel
VOTE: Luca Blight
You know you wanna follow
VOTE: Luca
My early reads:
Obviously not much to go on yet. NS is seems pretty certain Not_Mafia and mutt are Town; personally I don't like to rule anyone out based on one post. NS could be trying to trying to get a couple of players onside early on by taking the heat off of them, but then it might just be his style to make these quick judgement calls on new players.
Not_Mafia is making an early attempt to lead the proceedings, probably given confidence by NS's read of him. From a newbie perspective his early confident approach does seem Town, particularly the fact that his preference is to take on the slightly more experienced players, but then as he said in an earlier post he isn't a complete newbie at this game.
In post 135, Graeyfurredmutt wrote:Wait disregard that I miscounted votes
In post 136, Graeyfurredmutt wrote:Still going to lay out my case though
In post 62, Not_Mafia wrote:If someone slips describing their own scum meta then policy hammer them immediately.
I'll jump on this burn wagon,let's get to L-1
UNVOTE: Luca Blight
VOTE: burn_209
These are the subsequent votes in order. Not science unvoted briefly but its unimportant. Still going to demand some explanations on this by the way.
Forgot this one.
This is the post by Luca that caught my attention.In post 92, Luca Blight wrote:NS, as you are someone who is prepared to make quick judgement calls on players, who would you say is of town/scum lean at this early stage? Do you still think Not_Mafia is definitely Town?
As for Burn, his defence of himself is weak to say the least, and his voting of Not_Mafia as GM pointed out was also a bit suspect. GM is generally coming across as Town at the moment with much logical, pro-town posting, same with NS. Obviously these are the two more experienced players but they are my two biggest town reads at the moment.
Here is my original response to that post. Next we will look at luca's response.In post 93, Graeyfurredmutt wrote: First what in your own words is the case against burn?
Second please give us some examples of GoodMorning's "much logical, pro-town posting"
So there was no case until after fully five players including yourself had been on his wagon at one point or another? What the hell was everyone doing then? No seriously. Then you go on to say you somehow mixed up me and goodmorning, not quite sure how you did that seeing as we have completely different playstyles, writing styles, and avatar's. We don't even have similar names. Then you go on to sing my praises. Immediately after I questioned you.In post 97, Luca Blight wrote:
There is no case against burn other than what I said in that post.
With regards to GM I have just realised I have mixed you and her up a bit! I agreed with her criticism of burn's Not_Mafia vote, but the post I liked was this:
Looking back I feel you have made some good contributions thus far, so would agree with NS that you are leaning Town for now.In post 48, Graeyfurredmutt wrote:What would the mafia do today. My assumption is that they would naturally want to just let the town make a wild guess and hit a townie so as to attract minimal attention to themselves. The more active and obvious someone is the easier it is to analyze them and find the small hints. So that would leave us with a question of what are they actually doing. I personally prefer as mafia to have the group be diverse. While being just helpful enough to not look bad and just quiet enough to not be obvious is probably the safest, assuming people don't look there first due to anticipating strategies, it's not the most useful. Being a leader of the town can be quite profitable for the mafia. So what do you think?
Luca how does a townie feel when getting attacked without any reasoning? And then you immediately abandon your vote when getting pressured.In post 102, Luca Blight wrote:You're defence seemed to consist of this:In post 101, burn_209 wrote:Interesting that you say that considering I haven't given a defense for anything at all. I mean I just read through my posts after i read that post trying to see what you are referring to....couldn't do it. Which makes me think that this post is a fabricated reason to leave his vote on me especially we keep getting to L-1 on me. As for my vote bein suspect how about you explain why it is suspect and how it is any different than any other early game vote.In post 92, Luca Blight wrote:NS, as you are someone who is prepared to make quick judgement calls on players, who would you say is of town/scum lean at this early stage? Do you still think Not_Mafia is definitely Town?
As for Burn, his defence of himself is weak to say the least, and his voting of Not_Mafia as GM pointed out was also a bit suspect. GM is generally coming across as Town at the moment with much logical, pro-town posting, same with NS. Obviously these are the two more experienced players but they are my two biggest town reads at the moment.
In post 79, burn_209 wrote:You said lets push this to L-1 meaning you were down to risk itIn post 71, Not_Mafia wrote:You were on L-2 after my vote so there was hardly a massive risk, nice omgus now that the wagon is focused on youIn post 68, burn_209 wrote:This one not so much. Justifying the risk on the derphammer on a judgement call that in a NEWBIE game, that we are 3 pages into, that we have players here that are a higher standard isnt very smart. But hey one vote is always one vote closer to a townie lynch right scum?
VOTE: NOT MAFIA
-FTFYAs for your Not_Mafia vote, you're probably right that it is little different from any other early vote, but it came across very aggressive and overly-defensive, which aroused my suspicions a bit. Obviously there is little to go on now so we're all feeding on scraps like that.In post 81, burn_209 wrote:So now I'm at L-1. Why does this always happen to me lol I'm always L-1 on day one.
As I said before I don't have any real case against you other than what I mentioned, so I am happy to UNVOTE: burn for now, if it makes you feel better
So let's start on this post. So to start Goodmorning questions your immediate dropping of the burn vote. to which you essentially just go on to try and appease her. You really seem to care way to much about making your fellow players happy than you should be. Next your read on me... well it's basically just more buddying and following the herd opinion. Next you Notmafia read, so now it's a good sign to question those who read you as town? Notice your two biggest town reads here in addition to being some of the most commonly town read players are also both not on the bandwagon from which you are backpedaling? Goodmorning's read has become null which makes sense given your claimed mistake. Zivel, Joker, and Rachmarie reads might as well not be there. Of course I don't disagree with them they just have no impact. Burn read, Mostly just restating stuff then there's the whole not defending himself being bad for the town thing, which interestingly is very similar to what I said early in the game, but also how does that make him scum? Not defending yourself as town is bad for the town, but equally not defending yourself as mafia is bad for the mafia, how does this point mean anything in regards to alignment? All it means is he is playing poorly. Then there is the Notscience read. This one really looks scummy. remember back when NS was one of your strongest town reads? NS's style didn't change between those two posts, only who you where trying to ally with. NS was trying to buddy the stronger town influences early on? where was this in your earlier post?In post 110, Luca Blight wrote:My voting of burn was a RVS vote, and although he has a slight scum lean for the reasons I stated, there isn't a compelling reason for me to keep my vote on him at this stage, if you can provide one then I will be happy to jump back on his wagon.In post 109, goodmorning wrote:What up with the appeasement?In post 102, Luca Blight wrote:As I said before I don't have any real case against you other than what I mentioned, so I am happy to UNVOTE: burn for now, if it makes you feel better
I will follow Not_Mafia's lead and do my own brief reads:
mutt- my biggest town read at the moment, every post has been pro-town and he didn't want to jump on burn's wagon without good reason.
Not_Mafia- slight town. Has been pretty confident and has been prepared to give his reads. The fact he is doubting NS even after he read him as 100% town is also a good sign, as if he was scum it would be easy to buddy him.
goodmorning- null. Got her and mutt's posts confused earlier, and looking back through her ISO she has contributed little content so far for a IC, though she has been V/LA so hopefully there will be more to come from her.
Zivel- null, maybe very slight scum lean. He hasn't contributed much, he has mainly played it safe which is something that can arouse my suspicions a bit, but then he is probably the most inexperienced out of the lot of us so that could explain his indecisiveness. He was suspicious of NS in one of his posts, hopefully he will provide more of his thoughts so we can take a better look at him.
joker- null. Joined the game late and is yet to post much content. Jumped on the burn wagon, though that is justifiable at this early stage to gauge reactions.
rachmarie- null. No content whatsoever. I have seen her posting on other games and avoiding this one, so that could be a bad sign. Again hopefully we will see some more content soon from her.
burn- slight-scum. Most of his posts come across as very aggressive and overly-defensive. I said before his defence of himself was weak, and he responded by saying he didn't even defend himself, but my question here would be how is that helping town? There was a bandwagon forming, and if he had been lynched and flipped town, would such a stance have done anything to help our decision? My biggest scum-read so far, but it's early days and I'm prepared to give him chance before committing my vote to him, especially as there are a few players who we have heard nothing from at this stage.
notsci- null. NS is an interesting one; my gut is telling me he is town, but he is a difficult one to read and my initial feeling was that he was trying to buddy the stronger town influences early on. The fact he voted burn, but then unvoted when a L-1 was on the cards to save a derphammer could be seen as a pro-town play, however.