Newbie 1476 - Game Over

[joker443]

Had a guy like this in the last game I played turned out to be town so 50 50 on this one

[serrapaladin]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 1.06

notscience (3) - RachMarie, Zivel, Not_Mafia

burn_209 (L-1) - goodmorning, joker443, burn_209, Luca Blight

Not Voting (2) - Graeyfurredmutt, notscience

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2014-03-01 23:59:59).[/area]

[Luca Blight]

Mutt thought I hammered burn which is why he initially attacked me, now to justify that attack he is going through literally every single one of my posts to try and find anything he can, and he hasn't provided any valid argument as far as I'm concerned.

[notscience]

You're both town lol

[Graeyfurredmutt]

OK. Gfm is Town. Zivel is probably Town. You are probably Town. burn is probably Scum. I can't read notsci for shit. Rach I might be able to read eventually but probably not in this game day.

Scum

Luca - He is my primary scum tell right now because he was quick to follow the bandwagon on me and his reasoning for it didnt satisfy me. Saying that my defense was weak, when it was clear I wasnt giving one at all, seems like a hallow reason to vote for me. Then you unvote me when I challenge you about it which screams mafia to me because it is something that I have done many times when I was scum. Hold a vote on someone then once they start to challenge me I withdraw it quickly.
.

What woeful reasoning from a very desperate player.

"follow the bandwagon", I think you'll find I

started

the bandwagon on you in the RVS, and actually came off the bandwagon as it gathered momentum to give you a chance as you were caving in under the pressure, but clearly I shouldn't have bothered as you have imploded anyway. I voted for you before this 'defence' reasoning you are on about, so your whole post is based on fiction. You have now self-voted which is a very desperate move indeed, completely uncalled for and anti-town.

For the fact this is such a woeful post in which you have blatantly lied, I have no option but to commit my vote to you and call you on your bluff with this self-vote.

VOTE: burn

Seeing as I agree with pretty much everything burn says in this quote I probably don't need to say how I disagree with your insulting dismissal. Also no you definitely followed the bandwagon the post in which you reaffirmed your vote was you following the bandwagon. The fact your RVS vote was already there doesn't change how you acted. also you came of the wagon after it gathered momentum not while like not mafia did. And when you have been saying the wagon was to add pressure you leaving it to relieve pressure is not very reasonable. As for the stupidity of burn's self vote. Well that's another matter completely. The accusation of lying is completely unreasonable. There is a major difference between incorrect information and lying, and besides he was essentially right.

Pre-edit

I've been looking at this for a while now Luca. I started laying it out earlier than I was planning but that doesn't change anything.

[joker443]

Who's both town ns?

[notscience]

The two in a back and forth atm

[Luca Blight]

How can you agree with everything burn said in that post when his entire post was based on fiction? You seem to have built up a head of steam about this and and undermining your own argument by saying you agree with that post.

I don't feel the need to even say why that post is wrong as I have said it already. I am growing increasingly tired of this, so please provide your best argument because I am off to bed soon.

[Luca Blight]

*awaits more tiresome ranting*

[Not_Mafia]

You're both town lol

Agreed. I'll post more about all this either a bit later or tomorrow morning, there's a lot of posts to go through.

[Graeyfurredmutt]

How can you agree with everything burn said in that post when his entire post was based on fiction? You seem to have built up a head of steam about this and and undermining your own argument by saying you agree with that post.

I don't feel the need to even say why that post is wrong as I have said it already. I am growing increasingly tired of this, so please provide your best argument because I am off to bed soon.

What is fiction in that post.

[burn_209]

OK. Gfm is Town. Zivel is probably Town. You are probably Town. burn is probably Scum. I can't read notsci for shit. Rach I might be able to read eventually but probably not in this game day.

Scum

Luca - He is my primary scum tell right now because he was quick to follow the bandwagon on me and his reasoning for it didnt satisfy me. Saying that my defense was weak, when it was clear I wasnt giving one at all, seems like a hallow reason to vote for me. Then you unvote me when I challenge you about it which screams mafia to me because it is something that I have done many times when I was scum. Hold a vote on someone then once they start to challenge me I withdraw it quickly.
.

What woeful reasoning from a very desperate player.

"follow the bandwagon", I think you'll find I

started

the bandwagon on you in the RVS, and actually came off the bandwagon as it gathered momentum to give you a chance as you were caving in under the pressure, but clearly I shouldn't have bothered as you have imploded anyway. I voted for you before this 'defence' reasoning you are on about, so your whole post is based on fiction. You have now self-voted which is a very desperate move indeed, completely uncalled for and anti-town.

For the fact this is such a woeful post in which you have blatantly lied, I have no option but to commit my vote to you and call you on your bluff with this self-vote.

VOTE: burn

lol no. Your first vote was in the beginning of the game and was a vote with no substance behind it. It was no different than any other vote in the first round of voting where you basically look at a username and say I like that one and vote it. I think its odd that you are trying to take credit for a wagon that you honestly had no part of starting, then you decide once it gets strong to hop back on and vote what you thought was the hammer vote (thank god I counted wrong and jumped the gun on L-1). This all screams scum. PLEASE tell me where I lied. I would love to see what you can come up with.

He is getting riled up the more mutt questions him, even though he denies it it's obvious. Luca is my strongest read right now and I would like those who say that Luca is town give reasons and examples as to why he is town.

Also what I did is not imploding or losing my shit. That post was a result of irritation about how no matter what I do I cant seem to make it past day 1. If it constantly happened to you then you would be pissed to. I made a stance and I intend to keep it. Keep in mind i want to vote Luca pretty bad but Im leaving my vote on myself to show that I am serious about what I said. Keep in mind that Luca dropped the hammer on what he thought was a L-1 townie 10 days until the deadline....I have yet to see someone drop the hammer on someone that early and not get flak about it the next day. You guys say it was an anti-town move but it will be far from it when someone hammers me and I flip town and you have something concrete to go on......like someone dropping the hammer on a townie 10 days till deadline. And giving the town something concrete to go on is one of the most pro-town things you can do

[joker443]

Sorry but pretty much everyone puts a random vote on at start of game I do it to see how they would react not saying that's why other people do... But I don't see anything majorly wrong with Luca slight suspicion there but not enough

[joker443]

Just read last post didn't even notice it but Luca why did you jump on then off then on again? Is a bit weird

[goodmorning]

burn is probably Scum.

I still haven't gotten a satifactory answer from anyone on why burn seems scum to them so I'm going to ask you now. Elaborate on the rest of your reads as well please.

Reminder to self to do this in the morning, though I'm not going to go into the others yet.

Ughhhh don't like Luca's vote either whyyy

I thought I'd put more reasoning in the post before my burn vote but apparently I didn't.

hmmmm Luca might be Town actually

[notscience]

Luca/doggie is tvt

[Zivel]

Alright, firstly what does TvT mean? Also is it bad form to post back to back if you want to split your thoughts?

I am sorry that I seem a little absent but it is a tad overwhelming to make sense of all the posts so far, I also come from NZ and can only post when I get home from work. So far I am getting about 2-3 pages of stuff to ponder each night, try and make sense and then throw out a post or two.

[Zivel]

So my reads at the moment:

Joker: Scum, I just have a feeling. Putting Burn on L1 feels scum to me and he was quick about it.

Luca: My other strong Mafia read, not really sure why.

I think Burn is town, just a panicked town that got himself to L1 and got angry about it. His logic and quotes are wrong but I think this more due to him not liking L1 not him being Scum.

GM and NotSci I have no idea about, to experienced for me.

Mutt is Town imo, seems to be asking to good a questions and answering them well.

Not_Mafia is town, again not sure why, just have a feeling.

Must say I am enjoying the two and froing between Luca and Burn. Would like to see a bit more pressure on Luca though.

Unvote

vote Luca

[Zivel]

And RM... what does it mean when you miss someone out?

[Not_Mafia]

So I didn't like Luca unvoting but I can't say I agree with gfm either. A wagon was set up on Burn as part of RVS, the reaction was scummy, the scumminess came after. Burn's reaction to the wagon was way overblown and that self vote screams desperation.

Burn, if you are town, the reason you keep getting lynched d1 is because you massively overreact to wagons, wagons will get set up and dismantled all the time, when you react like you do you divert all attention on to yourself and it's a vicious cycle.

[Not_Mafia]

TvT is town v town, i.e Luca and gfm are both town, which I think is probably true

[Not_Mafia]

Sorry to multipost but Burn is strawmanning Luca, there is no indication he thought he was hammering.

You guys say it was an anti-town move but it will be far from it when someone hammers me and I flip town and you have something concrete to go on......like someone dropping the hammer on a townie 10 days till deadline. And giving the town something concrete to go on is one of the most pro-town things you can do

There is nothing positive about having someone hammered so early because it's "something concrete to go on". If someone hammered you at this point and you flip town, we will have wasted most of the phase on a pointless discussion due to a hammer that didn't even need to happen.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: burn

lol no. Your first vote was in the beginning of the game and was a vote with no substance behind it. It was no different than any other vote in the first round of voting where you basically look at a username and say I like that one and vote it. I think its odd that you are trying to take credit for a wagon that you honestly had no part of starting, then you decide once it gets strong to hop back on and vote what you thought was the hammer vote (thank god I counted wrong and jumped the gun on L-1). This all screams scum. PLEASE tell me where I lied. I would love to see what you can come up with.

He is getting riled up the more mutt questions him, even though he denies it it's obvious. Luca is my strongest read right now and I would like those who say that Luca is town give reasons and examples as to why he is town.

Also what I did is not imploding or losing my shit. That post was a result of irritation about how no matter what I do I cant seem to make it past day 1. If it constantly happened to you then you would be pissed to. I made a stance and I intend to keep it. Keep in mind i want to vote Luca pretty bad but Im leaving my vote on myself to show that I am serious about what I said.

Keep in mind that Luca dropped the hammer on what he thought was a L-1 townie 10 days until the deadline....I have yet to see someone drop the hammer on someone that early and not get flak about it the next day

. You guys say it was an anti-town move but it will be far from it when someone hammers me and I flip town and you have something concrete to go on......like someone dropping the hammer on a townie 10 days till deadline. And giving the town something concrete to go on is one of the most pro-town things you can do

You really are a compulsive liar. What makes you think I thought you were on L-1 when I re-voted for you? Mutt thought you were; he is the one who has trouble counting, not me. This is the second post in a row you have blatantly lied, it's no wonder you often die on the first day if this is the sort of game you play, scummy to the extreme.

Another post of burn's that is based 100% on fiction, the rest isn't even worth responding to. Either you are scum or you are having a shocker from a townie perspective, either way you are certainly justifying my voting of you. Nothing you say has any credibility as you keep making stuff up.

[Graeyfurredmutt]

Actually Burn thought he was and I didn't look myself me saying I miscounted was really me just not checking my facts.

[joker443]

I knew it wouldn't happen btw